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Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2018, 12:52:00 PM »
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  • "Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France. The times were difficult in France, especially for the poor who were unemployed and often refugees from the many wars of the time. France was first to experience many of those troubles which ultimately reached other parts of the world and are even present today. Streaming from rings on Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light."

    "The vision then changed to show our Lady standing on a globe with her arms now outstretched and with the dazzling rays of light still streaming from her fingers."

    Continue reading.
    http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx

    I for one will stick with the Blessed Mother!
    Yes, on the Miraculous Medal Mary is standing on a curved surface.
    Now, are her feet resting on land, water and people, or the Firmament?

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #46 on: January 18, 2018, 12:54:27 PM »
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  • If you are a Muslim and believe in their ways, you might want to know what is in their teaching. Understand everything they teach, even their mysteries.
    http://abdullahsameer.com/blog/qurans-geocentric-universe/

    Below not my words the link above explains:
    "What if Allah didn’t want to freak out the people by describing the world in a way they didn't understand? Well, he already did that when He told them that they would be raised up after death.  When the Prophet claimed he went to Jerusalem in one night.  So that obviously can't be the reason.
    Maybe Allah didn’t want to correct the scientific misunderstandings of the time?
    To me, this is one of the biggest issues in the Quran.  I cannot see how the creator of the universe would describe the world in such an awkward and incorrect way.  He could have said it in a way that was vague enough so that it wouldn’t have upset the people of the time, yet still be true to this day."

    Since this is a Catholic forum and with the exceptions of a few shills mainly this is what the Catholics teach:
    Catholic teaching was when the Blessed Mother desired the miraculous metal to be designed she instructed Catherine Labouré, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, and summoned her to the chapel.  
    "Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France. The times were difficult in France, especially for the poor who were unemployed and often refugees from the many wars of the time. France was first to experience many of those troubles which ultimately reached other parts of the world and are even present today. Streaming from rings on Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light."

    "The vision then changed to show our Lady standing on a globe with her arms now outstretched and with the dazzling rays of light still streaming from her fingers."

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    http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx

    I for one will stick with the Blessed Mother!
    Heliocentrism and the globe are widely accepted by pagans, but not all pagans. Muslims did believe on one issue with Christendom--geocentrism.  Also, Mary doesn't stand on a globe. She stands on a dome. :-\


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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #47 on: January 18, 2018, 01:08:17 PM »
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  • If you are a Muslim and believe in their ways, you might want to know what is in their teaching. Understand everything they teach, even their mysteries.
    http://abdullahsameer.com/blog/qurans-geocentric-universe/

    Below not my words the link above explains:
    "What if Allah didn’t want to freak out the people by describing the world in a way they didn't understand? Well, he already did that when He told them that they would be raised up after death.  When the Prophet claimed he went to Jerusalem in one night.  So that obviously can't be the reason.
    Maybe Allah didn’t want to correct the scientific misunderstandings of the time?
    To me, this is one of the biggest issues in the Quran.  I cannot see how the creator of the universe would describe the world in such an awkward and incorrect way.  He could have said it in a way that was vague enough so that it wouldn’t have upset the people of the time, yet still be true to this day."

    Since this is a Catholic forum and with the exceptions of a few shills mainly this is what the Catholics teach:
    Catholic teaching was when the Blessed Mother desired the miraculous metal to be designed she instructed Catherine Labouré, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, and summoned her to the chapel.  
    "Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France. The times were difficult in France, especially for the poor who were unemployed and often refugees from the many wars of the time. France was first to experience many of those troubles which ultimately reached other parts of the world and are even present today. Streaming from rings on Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light."

    "The vision then changed to show our Lady standing on a globe with her arms now outstretched and with the dazzling rays of light still streaming from her fingers."

    Continue reading.
    http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx

    I for one will stick with the Blessed Mother!
    Our Blessed Mother is standing on the Firmament.  The horizontal horizon is horizontal.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #48 on: January 18, 2018, 01:09:02 PM »
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  • Ha Ha Ho Ho Hee Hee  :D ;D

    The Church says its a globe, I choose to believe in the Church and I urge those who say they are Catholic not to mock Our Lady with strange novelties, you will always be safe with the Blessed Virgin Mary regarding this issue and all she teaches.  

    Pray for those who hold to mistaken ideas.  :pray:
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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #49 on: January 18, 2018, 01:10:51 PM »
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  • I have quoted at least four different popes and two Doctors of the Church that back up what I'm saying.  You just deny or ignore them and carry on as if you had never seen it.

    I have neither the time nor patience to keep posting the same things to people who refuse to accept it.  This is why I appreciate that Neil keeps putting the truth forward, rather than leaving the flat-earthers unchallenged in their little ghetto.
    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #50 on: January 18, 2018, 01:12:50 PM »
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  • Ha Ha Ho Ho Hee Hee  :D ;D

    The Church says its a globe, I choose to believe in the Church and I urge those who say they are Catholic not to mock Our Lady with strange novelties, you will always be safe with the Blessed Virgin Mary regarding this issue and all she teaches.  

    Pray for those who hold to mistaken ideas.  :pray:
    The Church NOWHERE says Mary stands on a globe. Where's the other half of the globe?

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    « Reply #51 on: January 18, 2018, 01:19:56 PM »
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  • The Church NOWHERE says Mary stands on a globe. Where's the other half of the globe?
    MyrnaM is working on her CGI attempt to stich in the bottom half of the globe in hopes of fooling people into thinking Mary is standing on a globe.

    DIDN'T WORK :fryingpan: MyrnaM!

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #52 on: January 18, 2018, 01:23:39 PM »
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  • It's a GLOBE
    Please pray for my soul.
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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #53 on: January 18, 2018, 01:29:38 PM »
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  • Don't fall for the unity of the One World Religion, FLAT EARTHERS


    Ubi Arcano Dei Consilio - Papal Encyclicals
    Our brothers and children from every quarter of the globe, messages which bespoke a welcome to ... hundred bishops from all sections of the globe were reunited with Us before the tomb
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11arcan.htm
     
    Sollicitudo pastoralis - Papal Encyclicals
    Church spread throughout the whole globe by divine disposition, urges and impels Us to attend to fostering and preserving the Orders of men religious instituted by this holy See 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/paul06/soll-e.htm
     
    Praedecessores Nostros - Papal Encyclicals
    Catholic religion in the farthest parts of the globe. Finally the Irish nation zealously honors and understands divine Peter whose humble representative We are, and whose dignity
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9praede.htm
     
    Quod Apostolici Muneris - Papal Encyclicals
    Benedict XIV did not fail to unmask the evil counsels of the sects, and to warn the faithful of the whole globe against the ruin which would be wrought. Later on again, when a 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13apost.htm
     
    Vigilanti Cura - Papal Encyclicals
    in other quarters of the globe. It is equally the duty of the Bishops of the entire Catholic world to unite in vigilance over this universal and potent form of entertainment and 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11vigil.htm
     
    Inscrutabili Dei Consilio - Papal Encyclicals
    and — by uplifting the standard of redemption in all quarters of the globe, by introducing, or shielding under her protection, the sciences and arts, by founding and taking into
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13evl.htm
     
    Depuis Le Jour - Papal Encyclicals
    Apostolic men destined to preach the true faith to the limits of the globe, and to carry the light of the Gospel to the nations yet plunged in the darkness of paganism. He 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13depui.htm
     
    Le voci che da tutti - Papal Encyclicals
    College from all points of the globe, even the most remote, to the Ecuмenical Council.Glorious St. Joseph! Here, here is your place as “Protector of the Universal Church.” We 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/john23/j23levoci.htm
     
    Populorum Progressio - Papal Encyclicals
    across the surface of the globe, leading them to recognize, across all frontiers, the faces of their brothers, the faces of their friend”.[63]76. Excessive economic, social and 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/paul06/p6develo.htm
     
    On the Catholic Priesthood - Papal Encyclicals
    Us from every part of the globe. Our reason was that We regarded this celebration not so much as a homage to Our Person, as a dutiful tribute of honor to the dignity of the 
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11catho.htm
     
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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #54 on: January 18, 2018, 01:30:47 PM »
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  • It's a GLOBE
    NO IT IS NOT A GLOBE! :really-mad2:  :fryingpan: MyrnaM

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    « Reply #55 on: January 18, 2018, 01:32:55 PM »
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  • Don't fall for the unity of the One World Religion, FLAT EARTHERS


    Ubi Arcano Dei Consilio - Papal Encyclicals
    Our brothers and children from every quarter of the globe, messages which bespoke a welcome to ... hundred bishops from all sections of the globe were reunited with Us before the tomb
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11arcan.htm
     
    Sollicitudo pastoralis - Papal Encyclicals
    Church spread throughout the whole globe by divine disposition, urges and impels Us to attend to fostering and preserving the Orders of men religious instituted by this holy See
    www.papalencyclicals.net/paul06/soll-e.htm
     
    Praedecessores Nostros - Papal Encyclicals
    Catholic religion in the farthest parts of the globe. Finally the Irish nation zealously honors and understands divine Peter whose humble representative We are, and whose dignity
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9praede.htm
     
    Quod Apostolici Muneris - Papal Encyclicals
    Benedict XIV did not fail to unmask the evil counsels of the sects, and to warn the faithful of the whole globe against the ruin which would be wrought. Later on again, when a
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13apost.htm
     
    Vigilanti Cura - Papal Encyclicals
    in other quarters of the globe. It is equally the duty of the Bishops of the entire Catholic world to unite in vigilance over this universal and potent form of entertainment and
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11vigil.htm
     
    Inscrutabili Dei Consilio - Papal Encyclicals
    and — by uplifting the standard of redemption in all quarters of the globe, by introducing, or shielding under her protection, the sciences and arts, by founding and taking into
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13evl.htm
     
    Depuis Le Jour - Papal Encyclicals
    Apostolic men destined to preach the true faith to the limits of the globe, and to carry the light of the Gospel to the nations yet plunged in the darkness of paganism. He
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13depui.htm
     
    Le voci che da tutti - Papal Encyclicals
    College from all points of the globe, even the most remote, to the Ecuмenical Council.Glorious St. Joseph! Here, here is your place as “Protector of the Universal Church.” We
    www.papalencyclicals.net/john23/j23levoci.htm
     
    Populorum Progressio - Papal Encyclicals
    across the surface of the globe, leading them to recognize, across all frontiers, the faces of their brothers, the faces of their friend”.[63]76. Excessive economic, social and
    www.papalencyclicals.net/paul06/p6develo.htm
     
    On the Catholic Priesthood - Papal Encyclicals
    Us from every part of the globe. Our reason was that We regarded this celebration not so much as a homage to Our Person, as a dutiful tribute of honor to the dignity of the
    www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11catho.htm
     

    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.


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  • It's a GLOBE
    Ha ha.  Its certainly not a globe.  If its a globe, its only half a globe. But wait! That is a dome.  The Church's truths cannot be denied or added to.  You're adding to the bottom half of what Mary is not standing on and calling it a globe.  Pagan sophistries!  She is standing on the dome of heaven, the veil between this life, and eternal life, leading us up to heaven.  There's no teaching that says Mary stands on a globe.  For what purpose would Mary stand on the North Pole?  To see Santa?  Don't live in a dream world you have to make excuses for and make things up.  Open your eyes and accept the Church's teachings as they are handing on to you.     

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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
    You know TIE, if this got through, made some kind of inroads, it would ruin the deniers.  Alas.  It is not falling on deaf ears entirely.  CATHOLICS HEAR YOU! This is the repeat that cannot be repeated enough.  The horizon, by definition, cannot be curved because saying that which is horizontal is also curved, is a lie.  Psalm 52:3  Thou hast loved malice more than goodness: and iniquity rather than to speak righteousness.
     

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    « Reply #58 on: January 18, 2018, 01:42:35 PM »
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  • Blah, blah and more blah, you guys sound like a broken record or an empty tin can. 

    How is this for my CGI

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  • Someone make them think!