[Truth is Eternal]

Seriously?  Are you suggesting that it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing that a pagan hear a Christian teach the true meaning of Holy Scripture?  
That's right. You better not say yes.  
 

They might convert.

[RoughAshlar]

Seriously?  Are you suggesting that it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing that a pagan hear a Christian teach the true meaning of Holy Scripture?  
That's right. You better not say yes.  
 

See, you create a false dichotomy.  You make it sound that your interpretation of scripture for the purpose of FE is the true interpretation of Holy Scripture, and you bate Jayne into an rigged question. You personally use the book of Enoch to explain moon phases, not part of scripture.  You are presenting your idea of truth as absolute, and truly Catholic, but for the last couple hundred years a single statue of the Sacred Heart or any of the Immaculate Heart of Mary standing on/or depicting a flat earth, you can not name one traditional priest that support your interpretation.  If it was such a obvious absolute truth why isn't it part of Catechisms and or any basic Catholic teachings?  Why was never taught in any of tens thousands of Catholic schools through out the last several hundred years?

[Meg]

See, you create a false dichotomy.  You make it sound that your interpretation of scripture for the purpose of FE is the true interpretation of Holy Scripture, and you bate Jayne into an rigged question. You personally use the book of Enoch to explain moon phases, not part of scripture.  You are presenting your idea of truth as absolute, and truly Catholic, but for the last couple hundred years a single statue of the Sacred Heart or any of the Immaculate Heart of Mary standing on/or depicting a flat earth, you can not name one traditional priest that support your interpretation.  If it was such a obvious absolute truth why isn't it part of Catechisms and or any basic Catholic teachings?  Why was never taught in any of tens thousands of Catholic schools through out the last several hundred years?

Why do you mention the Catholic catechism, when you do not believe in it yourself? Why would you care about whether or not Enoch is a part of scripture, since you are not Catholic? Why do you mention the terms "truly Catholic," above? 

[Meg]

They might convert.

Conversion is only allowed if potential converts accept the pagan globe-earth model. 

[Jaynek]

Seriously?  Are you suggesting that it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing that a pagan hear a Christian teach the true meaning of Holy Scripture?  
That's right. You better not say yes.  
 

If you were teaching the true meaning of Holy Scripture, there would not be a problem.  Unfortunately, you put your personal interpretation of Scripture in the place of Church teaching.  That is definitely a disgraceful and dangerous thing.

[Jaynek]

Why do you mention the Catholic catechism, when you do not believe in it yourself? Why would you care about whether or not Enoch is a part of scripture, since you are not Catholic? Why do you mention the terms "truly Catholic," above?

Even a non-Catholic can see that what you are claiming to be Catholic is no such thing.  He can identify your internal inconsistencies and logical fallacies.  Sometime even a non-Catholic can recognize the truth.

[Meg]

Even a non-Catholic can see that what you are claiming to be Catholic is no such thing.  He can identify your internal inconsistencies and logical fallacies.  Sometime even a non-Catholic can recognize the truth.

So why would he want to do so, as a non-Catholic? Why would a non-Catholic want to try to tell us Catholics about what the Catholic faith teaches, or what it doesn't teach?

Do you really believe that a freemason is capable of discerning the truths of the Catholic faith? Why do you support him in such an effort?

[Jaynek]

So why would he want to do so, as a non-Catholic? Why would a non-Catholic want to try to tell us Catholics about what the Catholic faith teaches, or what it doesn't teach?

Do you really believe that a freemason is capable of discerning the truths of the Catholic faith? Why do you support him in such an effort?

Obviously a freemason is not capable of discerning all the truths of the Catholic faith or he would become Catholic.  Flat earth, however, is so glaringly and obviously wrong, that even a freemason can tell.
It is a good sign that RA cares enough about truth to object to flat earth.  Perhaps the desire for truth will eventually lead him to Catholicism.

[RoughAshlar]

See you already did that last time, instead of answering or addressing one question, you made it about me.  Happensby created a false dichotomy and tried to pin Jayne.  Were my questions out of line or ridiculous?

Even though you didn't acknowledge one of my questions, I will answer your questions:

Q: Why do you mention the Catholic catechism, when you do not believe in it yourself? 
A: It provides the basic tenants for children to learn.  If belief that the earth is a globe was "pagan," "heretical," or "blasphemous," as many of the FE people claim, that would indicate that belief in the globe earth wasn't truly Catholic. If they FE had the support of the Church over the last several hundred years, wouldn't FE have been taught at an early age as a part of a child's spiritual education along with their schooling.  The concept of public schools are relatively new over the last several hundred years.  Education was primarily Catholic, yet FE was never taught.

Q: Why would you care about whether or not Enoch is a part of scripture, since you are not Catholic?
A:  Its a matter of curiosity for me.  The same person who just talked about teaching the "TRUE meaning of the Holy Scripture" (in regards to FE) previously explained the movements of the sun and moon from the book of Enoch...which to my knowledge is not part of scripture and has other things not necessarily supported by the Catholic Church.

Q:Why do you mention the terms "truly Catholic," above?
A: Is a person truly Catholic if they believe something heretical or something pagan? No you would say that they are outside the Church.  Yet, is that not the implication when saying these things about people on this forum that believe the earth is a globe?  There is no half way heretic, either they are or they are not.  There is no partial pagan, either they are or they are not.  So you can't claim someone believes in a heresy/pagan global earth and remain truly Catholic.

There I answered your questions.  Am I way off in left field?  I would ask that you go back to my original questions

[happenby]

Catholics who deny Scripture teaches a flat earth are grossly unaware how the smallest or most seemingly unrelated words can show the truth of a teaching when highlighted by the Fathers.  For instance, the Bible passage that points to the truth of the Immaculate Conception is Luke 1:28, the words of the angel Gabriel to Mary at the Annunciation, "Hail, full of grace." In the original Greek of the New Testament, the phrase "full of grace" is comprised in the word kecharitomene.  This is from where the seed of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is gleaned.  That, and Tradition testify to the Glory of Mary.  The simple words, "full of grace" point to the fact that Mary did not sin.  In the same way, the Fathers of the Church point to far more descriptive passages of the form of God's creation regarding the earth when it says: Gen 1:6 "And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.  9 And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day."  Scripture continues to describe the earth saying the heavens are stretched over the earth like a tent.  That as far as east is from the west, that is how far God removes sin from us, etc.  Now, had the Fathers never mentioned any of this, it would still remain true and obvious.  But they did comment.  Several of them tell us that Scripture is to be taken literally when it comes to the dome.  That because Scripture says so, is why we believe the dome exists and there's water above the dome.  And even that the land is circuмscribed like a wheel, etc.  Now, just because you refuse to look at the teachings of the Fathers, or refuse to accept them doesn't change anything.  Protestants do the same with Luke 1:28 and deny a most important Catholic truth. 

[happenby]

See, you create a false dichotomy.  You make it sound that your interpretation of scripture for the purpose of FE is the true interpretation of Holy Scripture, and you bate Jayne into an rigged question. You personally use the book of Enoch to explain moon phases, not part of scripture.  You are presenting your idea of truth as absolute, and truly Catholic, but for the last couple hundred years a single statue of the Sacred Heart or any of the Immaculate Heart of Mary standing on/or depicting a flat earth, you can not name one traditional priest that support your interpretation.  If it was such a obvious absolute truth why isn't it part of Catechisms and or any basic Catholic teachings?  Why was never taught in any of tens thousands of Catholic schools through out the last several hundred years?

Sir, it isn't my interpretation, the Fathers of the Church say it.  You complain that I use Enoch to explain moon phases?  Well, you use pagan science to try to prove the opposite.  How is that Catholic?  If there were not one single Catholic priest to defend the reality of the Divine Presence in the Blessed Sacrament, that wouldn't stop me from defending it with all the teachings Scripture and Tradition provide.  Many do not believe anymore because they do not respect Tradition or Scripture.  But its still there.  The truth of creation was provided throughout the centuries and the false model condemned in 1633.  People chose to deny that. That's why Catholic schools never taught it for years.  But that doesn't change anything.  It is a buried truth whose time has come and a truth that will become more manifest as the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr globalists create from their false world a living hell for all.  Hopefully, before you die, you will accept the truth. 

[happenby]

If you were teaching the true meaning of Holy Scripture, there would not be a problem.  Unfortunately, you put your personal interpretation of Scripture in the place of Church teaching.  That is definitely a disgraceful and dangerous thing.

Oh, and you are the arbiter of the true meaning of Scripture?  Give it a rest, Jaynek.  You have no proof for anything you think.

[Jaynek]

Oh, and you are the arbiter of the true meaning of Scripture?  Give it a rest, Jaynek.  You have no proof for anything you think.

I have quoted at least four different popes and two Doctors of the Church that back up what I'm saying.  You just deny or ignore them and carry on as if you had never seen it.

I have neither the time nor patience to keep posting the same things to people who refuse to accept it.  This is why I appreciate that Neil keeps putting the truth forward, rather than leaving the flat-earthers unchallenged in their little ghetto.

[happenby]

I have quoted at least four different popes and two Doctors of the Church that back up what I'm saying.  You just deny or ignore them and carry on as if you had never seen it.

I have neither the time nor patience to keep posting the same things to people who refuse to accept it.  This is why I appreciate that Neil keeps putting the truth forward, rather than leaving the flat-earthers unchallenged in their little ghetto.

Nothing the popes or Doctors you quoted say what you pretend they are saying.  You falsely apply stuff and call it proof.  You've been shown by myself and others you quote out of context, but you carry on and pretend it applies.  One thing is certain to me at this point and that's that you who deny Church teaching, deny Church condemnations, and do so without proof, while you gather to disparage teachings, are fully aware of what you are doing.  You know you're wrong because you back each other without reason or purpose, only to deny, without gleaning any truth whatsoever, even after Scripture and the Fathers were very specifically quoted.  There is a name for that.  It is called unbelief.  Go not believe.  

[MyrnaM]

If you are a Muslim and believe in their ways, you might want to know what is in their teaching. Understand everything they teach, even their mysteries.
http://abdullahsameer.com/blog/qurans-geocentric-universe/

Below not my words the link above explains:
"What if Allah didn’t want to freak out the people by describing the world in a way they didn't understand? Well, he already did that when He told them that they would be raised up after death.  When the Prophet claimed he went to Jerusalem in one night.  So that obviously can't be the reason.
Maybe Allah didn’t want to correct the scientific misunderstandings of the time?
To me, this is one of the biggest issues in the Quran.  I cannot see how the creator of the universe would describe the world in such an awkward and incorrect way.  He could have said it in a way that was vague enough so that it wouldn’t have upset the people of the time, yet still be true to this day."

Since this is a Catholic forum and with the exceptions of a few shills mainly this is what the Catholics teach:
Catholic teaching was when the Blessed Mother desired the miraculous metal to be designed she instructed Catherine Labouré, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, and summoned her to the chapel.  
"Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France. The times were difficult in France, especially for the poor who were unemployed and often refugees from the many wars of the time. France was first to experience many of those troubles which ultimately reached other parts of the world and are even present today. Streaming from rings on Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light."

"The vision then changed to show our Lady standing on a globe with her arms now outstretched and with the dazzling rays of light still streaming from her fingers."

Continue reading.
http://www.amm.org/aboutamm/miraculous%20medal%20story.aspx

I for one will stick with the Blessed Mother!