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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
« Reply #285 on: January 20, 2018, 07:23:39 PM »
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  • The reason you say, "does not interpret Scripture the way you do" is merely because you disagree with the interpretation.  Not because the Church doesn't interpret it literally.  Or as we have shown.  In fact, the Church does do this because Scripture reflects flat earth perfectly and that's how Fathers and saints interpreted it.  As the Fathers, Scripture and the Church do.  Continuing to say it doesn't work this way is utterly false and dishonest.  We have proof, agreement, and understanding with Scirpture and Fathers who teach about the earth.  You have nothing.
    You have asserted a lot of things but you have not shown them.  You have been shown that some, but not all, of the Fathers believed in a flat earth and then, starting around the 6th century, globe earth became the dominant view.  Many Saints and Doctors of the Church believed in a globe earth.  The Church never taught that the earth is flat or that Scripture shows the earth is flat.  That is the personal interpretation of a tiny minority of Catholics who ignore the Church's teaching on principles of Scripture interpretation.

    If you really had all the proof and agreement that you claim to, I would expect to see many traditionalist Catholics, including priests, holding the flat earth position. But we do not. Instead, we see a extremely small number of laity and no priests who accept it. And many of these people exhibit cult-like behaviour, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and general nastiness.  

    You are wrong.  Even someone like Ladislaus, who is open to believing your science claims, can tell you that your claims about Scripture and the Fathers do not hold up. You are so blind that you do not see that you are the one who has nothing.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #286 on: January 20, 2018, 07:25:56 PM »
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  • literally!

    As in twisting poles for pillars when you don't like the word "poles"!

    BTW I am sure you have covered this since I haven't read much of your viewpoint, but who or what holds up the pillars that hold up the frisbee shaped earth, if I dare ask?
    Ma'am, as I explained earlier, and apparently you refuse to listen, the original word used in scripture translates to pole, pillar or foundation.  Get a clue. 


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    « Reply #287 on: January 20, 2018, 07:27:08 PM »
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  • You have asserted a lot of things but you have not shown them.  You have been shown that some, but not all, of the Fathers believed in a flat earth and then, starting around the 6th century, globe earth became the dominant view.  Many Saints and Doctors of the Church believed in a globe earth.  The Church never taught that the earth is flat or that Scripture shows the earth is flat.  That is the personal interpretation of a tiny minority of Catholics who ignore the Church's teaching on principles of Scripture interpretation.

    If you really had all the proof and agreement that you claim to, I would expect to see many traditionalist Catholics, including priests, holding the flat earth position. But we do not. Instead, we see a extremely small number of laity and no priests who accept it. And many of these people exhibit cult-like behaviour, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and general nastiness.  

    You are wrong.  Even someone like Ladislaus, who is open to believing your science claims, can tell you that your claims about Scripture and the Fathers do not hold up. You are so blind that you do not see that you are the one who has nothing.
    Actually, I have shown them.  If you can't keep up with the thread or need a repeat, say so...but don't say it hasn't been shown. 

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #288 on: January 20, 2018, 07:31:12 PM »
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  • Actually, I have shown them.  If you can't keep up with the thread or need a repeat, say so...but don't say it hasn't been shown.
    You have tried to show it but failed to do so.  

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    « Reply #289 on: January 20, 2018, 07:36:51 PM »
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  • You have tried to show it but failed to do so.  
    Only because you are stubbornly addicted to your view


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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #290 on: January 20, 2018, 07:42:27 PM »
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  • Only because you are stubbornly addicted to your view
    :laugh2:  :laugh1:
    It is awfully funny for you to say that about somebody else.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #291 on: January 20, 2018, 07:55:56 PM »
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  • :laugh2:  :laugh1:
    It is awfully funny for you to say that about somebody else.
    The situation is that dire.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #292 on: January 22, 2018, 12:25:32 AM »
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    It's getting close again for the quarter moon bi-monthly display in the sky, for those who would dare to observe the truth in action before our eyes.
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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #293 on: January 22, 2018, 12:37:05 AM »
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    The Old Farmer's Almanac site shows this thumbnail for Saturday (yesterday):
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    The waxing crescent moon had 13% illumination from the sun.
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    But the orientation of the real thing in the sky was rotated almost 90 degrees clockwise from that image.
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    What we saw in the sky yesterday evening was a "Cheshire cat smile."
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    This is extremely close to what was there. Rotate this about 3 degrees counterclockwise and that's just right.
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    There is a lot to learn from this fact.
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    What you see in this evening's sky is almost the same but with a little more moon illuminated.
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    7% more to be precise, as the Almanac shows, it's now at 20%.
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    (today's Almanac thumbnail for 20%)
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #294 on: January 22, 2018, 12:43:32 AM »
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    Tomorrow will show 29% illumination from the sun:
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    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #295 on: January 22, 2018, 08:14:39 AM »
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    The Old Farmer's Almanac site shows this thumbnail for Saturday (yesterday):
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    The waxing crescent moon had 13% illumination from the sun.
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    But the orientation of the real thing in the sky was rotated almost 90 degrees clockwise from that image.
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    What we saw in the sky yesterday evening was a "Cheshire cat smile."
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    This is extremely close to what was there. Rotate this about 3 degrees counterclockwise and that's just right.
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    There is a lot to learn from this fact.
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    What you see in this evening's sky is almost the same but with a little more moon illuminated.
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    7% more to be precise, as the Almanac shows, it's now at 20%.
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    (today's Almanac thumbnail for 20%)
    You will NEVER observe the "Cheshire cat" at zenith - only at set.
    This is due to the law of perspective. 
    Try learning something. 


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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #296 on: January 22, 2018, 10:36:49 AM »
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    The Old Farmer's Almanac site shows this thumbnail for Saturday (yesterday):
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    The waxing crescent moon had 13% illumination from the sun.
    .
    But the orientation of the real thing in the sky was rotated almost 90 degrees clockwise from that image.
    .
    What we saw in the sky yesterday evening was a "Cheshire cat smile."
    .
    .
    This is extremely close to what was there. Rotate this about 3 degrees counterclockwise and that's just right.
    .
    There is a lot to learn from this fact.
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    What you see in this evening's sky is almost the same but with a little more moon illuminated.
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    7% more to be precise, as the Almanac shows, it's now at 20%.
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    (today's Almanac thumbnail for 20%)
    So the Almanac is more reliable than Enoch?

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #297 on: January 22, 2018, 02:41:10 PM »
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  • So the Almanac is more reliable than Enoch?
    There is no reason it wouldn't be.  Enoch is not part of the canon of Scripture and has no authority and no guarantee of being free from error.

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    « Reply #298 on: January 22, 2018, 03:02:44 PM »
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  • There is no reason it wouldn't be.  Enoch is not part of the canon of Scripture and has no authority and no guarantee of being free from error.
    Oh but the Almanac does? You globalists are def only drawing from secular sources to the exclusion of Godly ones.

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    Re: Neil Obstat's Motivation For Posting So Much On This Sub-Forum
    « Reply #299 on: January 22, 2018, 03:20:50 PM »
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  • Oh but the Almanac does? You globalists are def only drawing from secular sources to the exclusion of Godly ones.

    Do you know if Enoch is still considered scripture, even though it is not canonical? I don't know much about it.

    If it is considered scripture (though not canonical), then it is very telling that the globalists consider the Farmer's Almanac to be above it. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29