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Re: NASA's Spiritual Roots
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2018, 02:25:55 PM »
For over a millennium, practically all the Catholics we know about have believed a spherical earth.  St. Bede, St. Albert the Great, St. Thomas Aquinas, and St. Robert Bellarmine all believed the earth is a sphere.  Century after century, Saints, popes, Doctors of the Church, and average lay people have believed this.  It is absurd to claim that this means there was something wrong with their faith or that they had chosen the anti-God side.

I actually agree that science has been "infected with false ideas bearing evil spiritual fruit".  But that does not mean that everything in science should be thrown out.  Back in the Middle Ages, when science was pretty much under the control of the Church, Catholic universities taught spherical earth and this was the normal belief of Catholics.  This is what Catholics thought before the current infection of science set in.  There is no reason that we should not think it now.
You said: "For over a millennium, practically all the Catholics we know about have believed a spherical earth."
Ok, not entirely true, but for argument's sake, let's accept your premise.  How magnificently this Catholic acceptance has developed!  Observe the current beliefs of the globalist nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, with its atheistic foundations promoted by the leading scientific mouthpiece NASA who denies biblical creation, denies God in science, promotes global warming lies, evolution, the Big Bang, millions year old earth, relativity, the heliocentric denial of reality and every manner of pagan scientific gnosis at odds with the Church.  Finally, with these heliocentric evolutionists running the show, the world teeters on the brink of disaster so should we praise them for it?   What a bang-on success for them acceptance has been!
By the way, don't paraphrase my words and insert meaning or intent.  I've never even remotely suggested that all science be thrown out. 
 

Re: NASA's Spiritual Roots
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2018, 02:31:18 PM »
If people were only discussing science, I doubt that I would have ever posted on this topic.  Science normally isn't something that is very important to me.

Unfortunately, most of the flat earth proponents posting here seem to make false claims about the Catholic faith.  They say that flat earth is a Catholic position.  They treat their personal interpretations of Scripture as if they were as inerrant as Scripture itself.  They use non-canonical sources (like Enoch) as if they were authoritative.  They treat the personal opinions of Church Fathers as if these were somehow binding Church teaching.  They ignore/twist magisterial teaching on how we should understand Scripture pertaining to questions of cosmology.

These are serious errors because they misrepresent Catholicism.  The Catholic Church is the guardian of truth in the world so it is of the highest importance to only speak the truth regrading Church teaching.  Being right or wrong about the shape of the earth has little significance, but making untrue claims about Catholicism endangers souls.

I greatly enjoyed my Lenten break from flat earth debates.  It is frustrating to interact with people who stubbornly cling to falsehoods no matter what one says.  I have been seriously considering dropping out of these discussions.  But I am not sure that I can do so with a clear conscience.  Do I fail in my duty to the Catholic faith if I leave their constant false claims about the Church unopposed?
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.


Re: NASA's Spiritual Roots
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2018, 04:05:06 PM »
The flat earth, at least for Catholics here, has more to do with love of God rather than love of self. At least I would hope that this is the case. It seems to be, to me.
It seems to me that Catholics who treat flat earth as a matter of faith want to see themselves as better Catholics than the usual ones who believe the earth is spherical.

Most Catholics who believe in a spherical earth seem to me to be simply accepting the norm for Catholics for the past thousand plus years.  Such Catholics aren't interested in drawing attention to themselves or trying to be special or better than others.  They are just going along with a well-established Catholic tradition.

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Re: NASA's Spiritual Roots
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2018, 04:28:03 PM »
It seems to me that Catholics who treat flat earth as a matter of faith want to see themselves as better Catholics than the usual ones who believe the earth is spherical.

Most Catholics who believe in a spherical earth seem to me to be simply accepting the norm for Catholics for the past thousand plus years.  Such Catholics aren't interested in drawing attention to themselves or trying to be special or better than others.  They are just going along with a well-established Catholic tradition.

The above comment doesn't have anything to do with what I was trying to say. It would be nice if you could make an effort to understand what is being written, before you comment on it. 

Re: NASA's Spiritual Roots
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2018, 04:31:46 PM »

I greatly enjoyed my Lenten break from flat earth debates.  It is frustrating to interact with people who stubbornly cling to falsehoods no matter what one says.  I have been seriously considering dropping out of these discussions.  But I am not sure that I can do so with a clear conscience.  Do I fail in my duty to the Catholic faith if I leave their constant false claims about the Church unopposed?
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Once someone decides they're a flat-earther, it's too late, they're not coming back from that nonsense. They didn't use facts, evidence, or logic to reach that conclusion in the first place, so you can't really use facts, evidence, or logic in your argument to convince them the earth is indeed spheroid.
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The issue of the shadow of Earth cast on the Moon (lunar eclipse) won't sway the flat-earthers because it is increasingly common for them to believe that the Moon is not real, but rather something like a "Holographic Projection", and the shadow of Earth could be simulated to have whatever shape was desired within the projection of the Moon, by those in charge of the projector. And, yes, they are talking about the THAT Moon projector, the one that has been projecting a simulated image of the Moon for thousands of years. When reality gets in the way of their  ad hoc fantasy world, they just make stuff up, even if it contradicts what they've said before. Flat-earthism isn't scientific, it's not logical, and it's not reasonable. It's just silly.
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Flat-earthers refuse to think. They patently object to engage in any direct observations. They make themselves immune from simple logic.
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There is no discussion to be had with such wilfully obtuse obstructionists.
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Their greatest fear is that they've been wrong all along, but there is nothing to fear in truth.
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