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Offline happenby

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More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
« on: August 06, 2018, 08:39:30 AM »
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  • More mathematical and scientific evidence proves earth is not a globe.






    See more about how the flat earth map unfolds by scientific evidence in the flat earth topics.

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 02:31:55 AM »
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    The only problem is, no such evidence exists.
    There never has been and there never will be any scientific evidence that the earth is not a globe.
    Because the earth IS a globe, and scientific evidence cannot deny the truth of that fact.
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    Your video discredits itself by contradicting itself over and over. 
    You would have to be very ignorant to believe self-contradictions like this video in the OP.
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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 06:37:59 AM »
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  • A new flat earth model. Sounds like a Copernican Revolution of flat earth science. The dark ages are over. Former flat earth models have to be ditched. They were ideas of crackpot minds, closer to apes than to men. Finally the age of truth and illumination has arrived.

    I dare a prediction: In a not so far future we will witness an era of flat-earth-relativity. Todays seemingly contradicting models will be integrated. Flat-earth scientists will make a philosophical decision: With equal right every location on flat earth can be said to be the center of the disk.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 12:00:40 PM »
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  • A new flat earth model.
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    Without any agreement. Flat-earthers are a lot like Protestants: they all have different notions of what to believe.
    And it is a matter of belief, not verifiable fact, because they won't pay attention to anything that conflicts with their pet idol.
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    Sounds like a Copernican Revolution of flat earth science.
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    There is no science in flat-earthism.
    Flat-earthism has nothing whatsoever to do with science. 
    It's all religion to flat-earthers, and it's a false religion, based on falsehood, mundane canards and false platitudes.
    There is only their untouchable (but false) god, "the earth is flat!"
    Their whole world is upside down and backwards from the standpoint of science.
    They begin with the conclusion and only dare to go where they can twist observations to appear as though they support it.
    But it's only appearance, to the ignorant, when they deceptively remove incriminating data and replace it with faulty data.
    Flat-earthers never will subject their fake maxim to the test of objective reality.
    To them, their reality is in their mind, and there it will stay, by a sheer act of will.
    In the end, it's bad will.
    How anyone gets there is irrelevant, so long as they arrive at this Shangri-La fantasy land of subjective reality.
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    The dark ages are over. Former flat earth models have to be ditched. They were ideas of crackpot minds, closer to apes than to men. Finally the age of truth and illumination has arrived.
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    If only! Trouble is, flat-earthers won't recognize they were ever wrong in the past.
    They like to keep open the doors to failed and tired old canards so they have a place to where they can retreat, ICE*
    *In Case of Emergency
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    I dare a prediction: In a not so far future we will witness an era of flat-earth-relativity. Today's seemingly contradicting models will be integrated. Flat-earth scientists will make a philosophical decision: With equal right every location on flat earth can be said to be the center of the disk.
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    Well, some might try that on for size but others like happenby who harp on and on about Jerusalem being the center of the world, if they have any sense of consistency (which might be too much to expect!) will not let go of their pet idea and will refuse to move over and let Singapore or Moscow or New York or Perth take center stage even for a minute.
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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2018, 10:21:53 PM »
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  • This video shows a basic misunderstanding of stereographic diagrams of the sun's path in the sky. Can the person posting this stuff explain why anyone should expect the sun's path to be a straight line on such a diagram in the standard cosmology?

    Also this model would appear to have a problem with some flights (eg Los Angeles to New Zealand). 

    The other video saying that lakes don't show changing altitude is just wrong. On a curved earth, you would still expect all parts of a lake to be generally at the same level (ignoring weather effects and waves).


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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 10:03:10 AM »
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  • I personally know dozens of flat earthers all willing and capable of defending fe from both a scientific and Catholic perspective.  Not one of us has met anyone who can actually defend the globe without using modern science rhetoric, but who actually deals with reality and can explain how water curves around and also sticks to the outside of the ball with "gravity" not up to the task.  Or how the bottom of the sea has salt-flat-like beds more than 10,000 miles in length, parallel to water surface above, even though the ball is only 25,000 mi around.  Or how the horizon rises to the eye of the viewer no matter how high one goes.  Or that without video of the spinning ball earth, or actual photos of ball earth, people still insist there is visual proof earth is a globe.  Etc. etc. etc.  Counter fe thought rests every last one of its arguments on lobbing snarky comments and ad hominem attacks as they parrot false science and bewail spelling errors in hopes of protecting their cognitive dissonance.    

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 12:29:47 PM »
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  • I personally know dozens of flat earthers all willing and capable of defending fe from both a scientific and Catholic perspective.  Not one of us has met anyone who can actually defend the globe without using modern science rhetoric, but who actually deals with reality and can explain how water curves around and also sticks to the outside of the ball with "gravity" not up to the task.  Or how the bottom of the sea has salt-flat-like beds more than 10,000 miles in length, parallel to water surface above, even though the ball is only 25,000 mi around.  Or how the horizon rises to the eye of the viewer no matter how high one goes.  Or that without video of the spinning ball earth, or actual photos of ball earth, people still insist there is visual proof earth is a globe.  Etc. etc. etc.  Counter fe thought rests every last one of its arguments on lobbing snarky comments and ad hominem attacks as they parrot false science and bewail spelling errors in hopes of protecting their cognitive dissonance.    
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    You're all liars, then, because there is no way to defend a lie by being Catholic. 
    You are garnering ridicule and defamation toward Catholicism and wasting your life.
    Flat-earthers consistently ignore the fact that the curvature of the earth is the datum that "level" is measured from.
    Modern science uses objective reality which is not obvious to an observer from one point of view.
    It requires you to step back from your small-minded tiny world and consider the bigger picture.
    You can't imagine the nation's economy by looking at your personal bank statement.
    What about everyone else's bank statements? If you can't see them you can't know them.
    The "salt-flat-like beds" at the bottom of the sea conform to the curvature of the earth like everything else.
    There is no place to stand and observe the bottom of the sea, anywhere in the world.
    You have to rely on measurements and they all refer to the geoid, the gravitational potential surface of the earth.
    But you flat-earthers deny the existence of gravity, so how would you ever be capable of grasping the concept of the geoid?
    You cripple yourselves, cutting off your comprehension at the knees, deliberately.
    And you think you have accomplished something?
    You're only making a MOCKERY of the Church. 
    Proud of yourselves?
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    The horizon absolutely does not "rise to the eye of the viewer." 
    That is one of your favorite false platitudes and is a quote from the atheist ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Eric Dubay.
    Are you a closet atheist ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ as well, because you sure like to imitate one.
    The horizon stays right where it is and it is the ignorant viewer who casts eyes down to it who says it's "rising." 
    This is simply proved by using a spirit level, such as a carpenter's level or a water level.
    If you know how to set up and level a dumpy level that works too, but you have to know how to set it up.
    No one ever who can set up and use a dumpy level correctly has ever been or will ever be a flat-earther.
    Flat-earthism is a anti-intellectual deliberate rejection of truth, science, knowledge and reality.
    It does not work in the real world. 
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    Bottom line,
    Whatever you do, when applying for a job, don't admit to being a flat-earther because you won't get hired.



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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 04:52:16 PM »
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  • I personally know dozens of flat earthers all willing and capable of defending fe from both a scientific and Catholic perspective.  Not one of us has met anyone who can actually defend the globe without using modern science rhetoric, but who actually deals with reality and can explain how water curves around and also sticks to the outside of the ball with "gravity" not up to the task.  Or how the bottom of the sea has salt-flat-like beds more than 10,000 miles in length, parallel to water surface above, even though the ball is only 25,000 mi around.  Or how the horizon rises to the eye of the viewer no matter how high one goes.  Or that without video of the spinning ball earth, or actual photos of ball earth, people still insist there is visual proof earth is a globe.  Etc. etc. etc.  Counter fe thought rests every last one of its arguments on lobbing snarky comments and ad hominem attacks as they parrot false science and bewail spelling errors in hopes of protecting their cognitive dissonance.    
    Above I asked you to explain a claim in the video YOU posted, that the sun's path should be a straight line on a stereographic chart. Do you have any explanation for that?
    I also said there appears to be a problem with flights from LA to NZ. How does this flight happen on the flat earth map presented in the video? Does it go east across the atlantic and indian ocean?
    I have other questions about your FE system but these will be a good start. Do either of those questions constitute "ad hominem attacks" or "parrot false science"?
    I realize that FE is not primarily a scientific thing, but if you're proposing it as reality then you do need to address where it doesn't correspond to observed reality.

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 12:44:59 PM »
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  • Above I asked you to explain a claim in the video YOU posted, that the sun's path should be a straight line on a stereographic chart. Do you have any explanation for that?
    I also said there appears to be a problem with flights from LA to NZ. How does this flight happen on the flat earth map presented in the video? Does it go east across the atlantic and indian ocean?
    I have other questions about your FE system but these will be a good start. Do either of those questions constitute "ad hominem attacks" or "parrot false science"?
    I realize that FE is not primarily a scientific thing, but if you're proposing it as reality then you do need to address where it doesn't correspond to observed reality.
    Thank you for explaining.  I don't have an explanation for the sun's path, only that what is observed in the real world is not consistent with the globe model.  Do you have an explanation for what is observed?  I challenge the modern heliocentric model knowing that NASA and others lie to us on many fronts, expecting that we do not have any information apart from what they provide unless we go get it...a difficult thing to do.  But providing their model as the answer without critical observation of your own only begs the question.  If the video provided begs the question for you, what have you done to explain either model? Have you done testing for yourself?  I have done many different types of testing, although this video model of an accuмulation of testing is advanced in scope, it reflects verifiable results that surprisingly agree with what I and others have observed on a more simple level.  As far as the flight from LA to NZ, I avoid analysis on this because, without a true model to compare accuracy of a plane's pinpoint position, error will dictate.  I'm not into error, only truth.  We are at a disadvantage for lack of studies on the subject, but because God's world is both simple and complex, I do believe truth is revealed without need of fancy instrumentation.  Sure, instrumentation will also reveal a greater depth of the metaphysical world, but it takes time, prayer, verification, and honesty by conclusions drawn and only if they bear out in detail what the simple reveals first.  The globe model never does that, but demands we suspend what we know to be true in favor of outrageous claims.  For instance, that water surface curves.  Or that water sticks to the outside of a ball. Or that the human race stands upside down or sideways to those on opposite shores.  Or that sun is stationary and the earth moves.  Most of these theories may be accepted in modern minds, but they are absurdities whose proofs are never duplicated in the microcosm. 

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 02:48:47 AM »
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     Sure, instrumentation will also reveal a greater depth of the metaphysical world,
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    Metaphysics has absolutely nothing to do with instrumentation. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about. 
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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 03:02:43 PM »
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    Metaphysics has absolutely nothing to do with instrumentation. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about.
    Lol. Trying to use instruments to attempt to prove earth is a globe constitutes most of your whine.  :laugh1:

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2018, 05:01:04 PM »
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  • If the video provided begs the question for you, what have you done to explain either model? Have you done testing for yourself?  I have done many different types of testing, although this video model of an accuмulation of testing is advanced in scope, it reflects verifiable results that surprisingly agree with what I and others have observed on a more simple level.  
    What specific testing have you done?

    I have observed tall ships disappear below the horizon going out to sea.

    We all probably learned about the globe in school, and took it on authority. I realize that as traditional Catholics, we came to not trust authorities. But this is still a natural and normal way to learn things. It's not reasonable for everyone to redo the experiments that led to knowledge, just like we don't need to travel to see the Great Wall ourselves to know that it exists.

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2018, 05:49:41 PM »
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  • What specific testing have you done?

    I have observed tall ships disappear below the horizon going out to sea.

    We all probably learned about the globe in school, and took it on authority. I realize that as traditional Catholics, we came to not trust authorities. But this is still a natural and normal way to learn things. It's not reasonable for everyone to redo the experiments that led to knowledge, just like we don't need to travel to see the Great Wall ourselves to know that it exists.
    I have a P900 camera and I've observed the anti-crepuscular rays, taken shots of the stars which are not terra firma bodies but light frequencies, measured with a simple laser thermometer the temp of the moon and the sun, done shadow tests to prove that globe bodies do not transfer curved shadows, and a whole host of others.  Too many to list!  I agree that  it is normal to trust authorities, usually, but when they are caught time and again lying, when their whole theory rests on provably pagan science that attempts to present evolution, moon landing hoaxes, and science at odds with the Church for centuries, you begin to question them and get the information yourself.

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    Re: More Scientific Evidence Against the Globe
    « Reply #14 on: August 10, 2018, 10:56:06 PM »
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    .........and can't be bothered to take any simple measurements of the heavenly bodies to verify notions of relative distance. 
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