Author Topic: Modern Science Bashes Traditional Catholic Geocentrists & Dr Sungenis' Theories (Read 8531 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2018, 01:57:41 PM »

It's fitting that you chose the pagan sun god as your screen name.

cassini · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2018, 03:14:34 PM »

St thomas Aquinas said;

‘The knowledge proper to this science of theology comes through divine revelation and not through natural reason. Therefore, it has no concern to prove principles of other sciences, but only to judge them. Whatever is found in other sciences contrary to any truth of this science of theology must be condemned as false.’ --- (ST, I, Q 1, a 6, ad 2).

We 'geocentrists' are in fact biblical geocentrists, confirmed in our faith by the Sacred Scriptures, the 1616 decree of Pope Paul V who dogmatised this biblical revelation because it was confirmed as such by all the Fathers of the Church, and after this because of the confirmation of this irreformable decree by Pope Urban VIII in 1633 .

The doctrines of the Catholic Church are all of faith and cannot be proven false by human science.
As Cardinal Bellarmine said, if this is not true as regards a geocentric universe, then it is not true that the feast we are now celebrating is true, that is the Virgin birth of Christ.

As it turned out, by careful investigating, we know a geocentric universe has never been proven wrong. Unlike the Freemasons who invented causes for their solar system, Catholics do not need to invent physical causes to 'prove' God's work. All we need to be sure of is that there is nothing that can scientifically falsify geocentrism.

For centuries they tried, letting Newton's theory fool everyone into believing he had proof that little bodies had to do what the sun caused it to do. Putting their faith into Newton's theory worked for them for centuries until 1871 and 1885 tests showed it was not proven. Along came Albert Einstein who had to admit science cannot prove or falsify the order by way of his special theory of relativity. To do so he had to show Newton's theory was lacking in credibility so he had to invent his own theory of gravity to save a heliocentric solar-system. Since then every physicist of note had to go along with the special theory, making adjustments like inventing dark matter to keep their theory alive.

Now I have only viewed part 1 of the above and wondered if it was that easy to prove geocentrism false, how come physicists and astronomers for 200 years never figured it out? but as with all these helioers they take theories as facts and if anything does not fit into their theories they think and claim geocentrism is B....x, a word used to try to portray geocentrists as retards, the latter word the Catholic priest Fr Hull used for any who actually believed the Scriptures reveal a true geocentric universe.

I note in this video, he expects biblical and physical geocentrists to be able to explain the forces of nature. If as physicists for a hundred years have been admitting we cannot tell which order the universe works by, this means we do not know the laws of the universe, does't it? But this guy thinks he knows. He tries to falsify the sun cannot do what we see it do by way of geocentrism. It is OK for him to offer a tilted Earth but he cannot envision a God tilted universe that will result in exactly the same observations as the heliocentric version. For him of course a tilted rotating universe to bring days and years and precession is impossible in his scientific trained mind. But for us Catholic geocentrists our God is just as capable of creating physical or divine forces to operate His universe. I also caught the sound of Newton's 'perturbations' to explain his scientific solar system when it goes a little astray. I bet he never even heard of Domenico Cassini who falsified Kepler's and Newton's astronomy with his astronomical findings that relate to orbits following electromagnetic forces, curves found in leaves, snails and blood cells.

So, geocentrists, do not fear that these videos 'prove' geocentrism false. They do using their invented causes, but do not falsify the ability of God to have a moving solar system within a spinning universe, both doing what God makes them do. Nor should we worry that we cannot find out how God does these things, how he could be born of a virgin birth, and physically feed thousands with a few loaves and fish. According to science of today, these things are impossible also so we shouldn't believe they could be true even if the Bible tells us the happened. Well most of us here believe they are true.

For over 100 years the observable physical universe has two ways of explanation, a Copernica heliocentric way, or an adjusted Tycho de Brahe geocentric way. The Special theory of Einstein's has been falsified many times. The one I love is Walter van der Kamp's falsification based on stellar aberration. This SA is a fact of observation and can only be explained in a geocentric universe.

klasG4e · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2018, 03:40:14 PM »

Quote from: apollo on December 22, 2018, 09:23:41 AM

Apollo, do you consider yourself a traditional Catholic? What exactly possesses you to promote this stuff? Do you think the person(s) going under the name Cool Hard Logic who put these blasphemous videos up has/have a single good thing to say about the Catholic Church or Catholic Faith? He/she/they DO NOT.

There is an individual by the name of Robert Sungenis who has spent most of his adult life at the service of defending the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God. If you are a Catholic and love the Catholic Faith and Holy Mother Church you would do well to look at Sungenis' answer to CHL both in the video and full transcript linked below.

This is a rebuttal to Cool Hard Logic's series on "Testing Geocentrism". This is the first in a series that we are producing based on the White Paper written by Robert Sungenis, PhD. The original full rebuttal can be read here: http://galileowaswrong.com/wp-content... Visit http://www.galileowaswrong.com for more free information regarding Geocentrism.

klasG4e · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2018, 03:44:08 PM »

Here is the first page of Robert Sungenis' rebuttal to "Cool Hand Logic."

1
Rebuttal to Cool Hard Logic’s Attack on Geocentrism
By Robert Sungenis, Ph.D. author of
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right

R. Sungenis
: As you can see from the above snapshot, prepare yourself for not only an X-rated but a
pseudo-scientific display when you watch the Youtube
videos of someone going by the moniker “Cool
Hard Logic” (CHL). Besides changing the name of the Holy Bible to “Holy Shit” and using the F-word
consistently through its videos, an assortment of many
other childish rantings are displayed by a person
who is obviously unwilling to give his real name. To
put it bluntly, the video is anything but “cool hard
logic.” It is more like warm, soft, dodo, both cult
urally and scientifically. Rest assured, however, it is
designed to intimidate the average person as it bombard
s him with a pedantic display of mathematical
equations that purport to prove the points of the
author, but in reality the display only shows his
ignorance, both of his own heliocentrism and, more im
portantly, of the geocentric system he wishes to
discredit.

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