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Offline Stanley N

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Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« on: December 28, 2021, 02:36:55 PM »
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  • I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.

    Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this,  to supposedly "warn" others?

    It's part of being on a forum to figure out if posts are correct or incorrect. And we can probably also determine if the poster was baked or plastered at the time he wrote the post. And if not, then it's just another post, no?

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2021, 02:50:25 PM »
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  • I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.

    Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this,  to supposedly "warn" others?

    It's part of being on a forum to figure out if posts are correct or incorrect. And we can probably also determine if the poster was baked or plastered at the time he wrote the post. And if not, then it's just another post, no?

    Alleged?
    :laugh1:

    You must be new here, son. Let me clue you in: roscoe totally owned it, admitted to it, and totally defended the smoking of pot by Catholics. There is no "alleged".
    Not just new here, but lazy as well: a casual perusal of roscoe's past posts show a strong promotion/defense of Marijuana use.

    But I'm talking to someone who refuses truths about the nature of the Earth, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see you running from the truth on this issue also. It's the same mindset: I embrace and admit the truth, whatever that means and wherever it leads. You find ways and excuses to deny it, so you can avoid being some kind of ostracised "fringe", shunned by The World, which for you is a fate worse than death. Fine. Good luck in the future when the great persecution starts. Hopefully you won't be one of the first Catholics to cave.

    I advertised this particular truth about "roscoe" because it was common knowledge on this forum 10 years ago. The posts are all still there. We even had a "smilie" for pot smoking. You might see some old posts that have text such as *smoke-pot* but it no longer renders into a graphic, because a lot of the old smilies have been removed.

    And yes, most people will take the philosophical and metaphysical musings of a habitual pot smoker with a grain of salt -- as they should.

    Do a CathInfo search for "mary juanita" by user "roscoe" and you'll see his long history.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2021, 02:09:26 AM »
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  • Sick cartoons bro.
    Your wording makes me wonder if I've been talking to you in some of the flat Earther live debates :laugh1:

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #3 on: December 29, 2021, 06:13:09 PM »
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  • I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.

    Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this,  to supposedly "warn" others?

    Nothing has been "revealed" in this instance.  roscoe has spoken openly and frequently about his habit over the years -- at least he did so when I was around more often.  It is common knowledge.  His take on reality is unique; just read his signature.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #4 on: December 29, 2021, 09:22:52 PM »
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  • Lunar Module is a Meth Heads Tree Fort

     LOL :laugh1:

    2min 15sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/QQgIoNtjQzSH/

    I have to say, and this is not to brag because I am a clueless numbscull in so many ways, but I was young enough to not be afraid to ask questions during the 70's about this.

    When watching the footage on tv I kept asking my Dad, "Who is filming them while they are landing on the moon?"

    and

    "How do they get enough power to get back to earth when they needed a huge blast to get to the moon?"

    and

    "Why is the rocket taking off from earth curving?  How will that get them to the moon.  Shouldn't they be going straight up?"

    and on and on...

    My Dad was suspicious and said that I'm asking all the right questions...

    but there was no internet then to do any research into this and meet like minded people who were asking the same questions.

    From what I hear, kids these days aren't buying it.

    Millennials have grown up with far better CGI!




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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #5 on: December 31, 2021, 01:36:17 AM »
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  • Good luck in the future when the great persecution starts. Hopefully you won't be one of the first Catholics to cave.
    Brb... Adding you guys to our prayer list lol... 

    In the Baltimore Catechism III, charity is listed as the greatest of all theological virtues. We are called to love God above all things for His own sake, and to love our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God. 

    It is understandable to state when someone is incorrect and why. We do have a duty to defend the truth. However, there is no need to throw around thinly veiled (or unveiled) insults like we have been seeing a lot on here lately. 

    I believe Stanley believes he is defending truth just as much as Matthew does when it comes to the FE discussion. Probably the same goes for most people talking on the matter. Unfortunately it seems that many think that the other side is being intentionally deceptive or cowardly. If you are unable to defend the truth with charity as a main focus, it would probably be best to reevaluate exactly why you are defending the truth. Is it because you view the other side of the argument as legitimately harmful, or is it out of pride for yourself or hatred against a neighbor? 

    If I do not have a good or charitable answer to something, I avoid posting on it. I think most people try to do the same. You will notice that a lot of the time when threads get heated, certain people seem to drop out of the discussion, or make a great effort to be as nice as possible and to cool things off. I think this is commendable... it is very easy to get caught up in petty fights that divide. 

    What is more important, the truth about FE/GE, or doing right by your neighbor and by God?

    Just some thoughts. Please try not to let pride get in the way of charity. 

    I will be praying for you guys... 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #6 on: December 31, 2021, 02:01:42 AM »
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  • Motivation is an incredibly important thing we need to think about before we speak. 

    No need to argue about whether a certain previously mentioned fault was hidden or not. 

    Detraction is defined as the sin of making known the hidden faults of another without a good reason.
     
    If your motivation for revealing a fault is to put someone down because you don't like them or disagree with an unrelated thing they are saying, you might want to... not do that... lol.

    However, if you legitimately believe that you are helping others by warning them, and your warning is truthful to the very best of your understanding (as well as topical) then you are acting out of charity. 

    Not knowing any of you personally, it is impossible to accurately judge which of these categories you fall into when you post. That being said, it is in your best interests to judge your own character, and to do so honestly. We will all be judged for our actions in the end. 

    That is not to say that anyone here has committed detraction. Again, I cannot judge intentions of people I do not intimately know. However, it did come up, so this seemed relevant. 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #7 on: December 31, 2021, 08:16:31 AM »
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  • Stanley has been banned for his disrespectful outburst against the moderator of the forum. Even his "fellow teammates" on Team Globe Earth haven't had a problem keeping a modicuм of respect for the Moderator, even as the content of their posts contradicts him pretty much 100% of the time. No matter. They manage to control their emotions.

    He is so wrapped up in proving the mainstream globe earth "outer space" paradigm, that he lowered himself to the tactic of the Liberals "I'm offended by that -- on behalf of those people" when it doesn't affect you at all.

    A comedian was joking about prosthetic legs, and a lady came up to him after the show saying she was offended by that "bit" in his act. He asked if she had a family member with a prosthetic leg. No. He asked a few more questions -- no, she had no reason to be offended. She was just offended FOR them. Then an English guy came up to the comedian, pulled up his pantleg showing his prosthetic leg, and said "That bit about the prosthetics? Bloody brilliant!"

    Why would Stanley fall for this obvious error? This behavior that every CathInfo member hates, and we criticize all the time when liberals do it? Because "roscoe" seemed to be coming into the debate on his side. It's a team sport for him. I guess it's not about getting to the truth, having an open mind? It's all "Rah Rah My Team".
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #8 on: December 31, 2021, 12:07:34 PM »
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  • Stanley has been banned for his disrespectful outburst against the moderator of the forum. Even his "fellow teammates" on Team Globe Earth haven't had a problem keeping a modicuм of respect for the Moderator, even as the content of their posts contradicts him pretty much 100% of the time. No matter. They manage to control their emotions.

    He is so wrapped up in proving the mainstream globe earth "outer space" paradigm, that he lowered himself to the tactic of the Liberals "I'm offended by that -- on behalf of those people" when it doesn't affect you at all.

    A comedian was joking about prosthetic legs, and a lady came up to him after the show saying she was offended by that "bit" in his act. He asked if she had a family member with a prosthetic leg. No. He asked a few more questions -- no, she had no reason to be offended. She was just offended FOR them. Then an English guy came up to the comedian, pulled up his pantleg showing his prosthetic leg, and said "That bit about the prosthetics? Bloody brilliant!"

    Why would Stanley fall for this obvious error? This behavior that every CathInfo member hates, and we criticize all the time when liberals do it? Because "roscoe" seemed to be coming into the debate on his side. It's a team sport for him. I guess it's not about getting to the truth, having an open mind? It's all "Rah Rah My Team".
    Plenty of people on this forum have had issues keeping a "modicuм of respect" for the other posters on this forum, including you, the moderator.

    Stanley went off in response to your post to him, which insulted his Catholic faith. I cannot blame him for that at all, considering that many people go off because you won't believe their opinions on a YouTube video where some rando is claiming he's done the math to prove the shape of the earth.

    He could have been a lot more charitable, which is part of why I posted above, but the thing is what he was saying was right and it was in direct response to an insult that you had sent his way first.

    As far as him defending roscoe on not having his smoking being aired on the forum... That's not a bad thing for him to want to be careful about. Detraction is a sin that is very hard to make amends for. How do you restore someone's good name? Even if he was wrong on this point (and I am not totally convinced he was) it seemed that he had reasonably good intentions and was asking a good question. Most people won't question you simply because you are the mod. I know someone who was afraid to reply to you or downvote you because you could just chose to ban them. Pathetic! People on this forum insult each other all the time. You do as well. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. That position would be far more defensible.

    He insulted you in defense of his own character, and he spoke the truth. It was rough, but he was truthful.

    If you notice his more recent posts, he seems to have been trying to be a lot more civil to people. I believe you are the only recent person to have set him off. Perhaps he has been working on charity and that's why he was concerned about the issue of detraction.

    Stanley was a good poster, and very smart. He was one of the more interesting people on the GE side of things, and has contributed some very interesting things to the discussion recently. His banning is a total disappointment in this regard as well. I hope that the FE/GE equation didn't seriously factor into this decision. Somehow I feel that it is part of what caused you to dislike him in the first place.

    If I get banned for this, whatever. People can see that I have always tried to be charitable to others. I may not have many posts yet, but that's because I always try to have something quality to contribute. If you chose this as a reason to ban me (she was new and confused) I think people will see the truth. In this case, the truth is what matters. This was a decision motivated by pride, and if it wasn't, then there are several other members who have been equally uncharitable to each other and this sets the goalpost for taking them offline as well. I'm not asking for that mind you. But it is definitely convenient that the only person being banned today is being banned for a tiff with the mod. :popcorn:

    Matthew, PLEASE think on this. I am actually praying for you.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #9 on: December 31, 2021, 12:22:05 PM »
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  • Marion, Dankward, roscoe, Quo Vadis Domine, etc. are still here. Your argument is invalid.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #10 on: December 31, 2021, 12:26:32 PM »
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  • Marion, Dankward, roscoe, Quo Vadis Domine, etc. are still here. Your argument is invalid.
    Actually that plays directly into my argument. Again, you are only banning people for going off on you, not each other. But again, you have no issues throwing insults to people. Clearly it is not an issue that Stanley was being mean, just that he was mean to you. Why is that? Again, you insulted him first. He responded. Before that, the discussion was entirely on the subject matter and not personal. 


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #11 on: December 31, 2021, 12:30:53 PM »
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  • there are several other members who have been equally uncharitable to each other and this sets the goalpost for taking them offline as well. I'm not asking for that mind you. But it is definitely convenient that the only person being banned today is being banned for a tiff with the mod. :popcorn:

    I have NEVER claimed that I am that kind of detached. No, insulting the mod is going to get you banned, while saying the EXACT SAME THINGS to another member won't get you banned. That is to be expected, par for the course, and would be experienced on ANY OTHER FORUM as well. Including other Traditional Catholic ones.

    Since you're new here, I'll repeat my standing challenge:

    You show me ONE OTHER FORUM. JUST ONE (with more than 250 members, of course, because new forums are desperate for members/activity so they don't count) where you can EXPLICITLY, OPENLY call out the moderator for serious sin, pride, racism, or other serious evils, and not be banned.

    I'm still waiting for someone to answer this challenge, which has probably been out there for 10 years and counting. As expected, *CRICKETS*. Because I'm right, and I know that I'm right about this.

    Sorry not sorry, but CathInfo is not going to be held to some standard that no one, not even other Catholic forums, subscribes to. When a person "loses it" and unloads on the moderator, that person is gone-ski. That's all there is to it.

    That might seem unfair, but guess what? The world isn't fair. You insult a cop, you might end up tazed and/or in jail. Say the same thing to a homeless man? Nothing will happen. The world isn't fair sometimes.

    I dare you to go throw something at Joe Biden at one of his public appearances. Tell me how that works out for you. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #12 on: December 31, 2021, 12:37:01 PM »
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  • By the way, Stanley questioning the morality of my "bringing to CathInfo's attention roscoe's long history of posts about Marijuana" is NOT exactly Flat Earth subject matter. He wasn't sticking to the subject at all. He steered the conversation -- off the rails, if you ask me -- to "questioning Matthew's personal morality".

    Anyhow, Dingbat, you're just going to have to come to accept Stanley's banning, because I'm not going to argue with you about it. It's my forum and I set the rules.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #13 on: December 31, 2021, 01:13:06 PM »
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  • At the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight, I'll point out that there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana.

    Risk? As it has been increasingly legalized, it is no longer a "gateway [to the criminal world] drug." There are some reports that some heart attacks occur within an hour of ingestion, but so far I have seen no confirmation of causality. While enemies of MJ correctly note the presence of carcinogens in MJ smoke (but not vapor), they are confounded because MJ smokers have lower rates of cancer than non-smokers. With "vaping" and "edibles" there is no smoke involved. The period of task impairment is minor and lasts about 20 minutes. After that, MJ use is associated with more cautious (= lower risk) driving. I am not aware of any such studies on pilots.

    Benefits are legion: pain, nausea,  seizures, cancer, spasticity, bone density, inflammatory bowel disease, auto-immune disorders… etc.

    Our inherent endocannabinoid system is quite interesting and helps explain the pharmacologic effects of phytocannabinoids.

    Yes, the loss of inhibition is a potential [dose-related] and serious problem. Risk and benefit must be carefully weighed as Catholics have done for two millennia in the case of alcohol.

    Lest anyone get suspicious or cast accusations—I am NOT an MMJ patient or recreational user, but I do advocate its appropriate use.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #14 on: December 31, 2021, 01:21:11 PM »
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  • At the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight, I'll point out that there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana.

    Risk? As it has been increasingly legalized, it is no longer a "gateway [to the criminal world] drug." There are some reports that some heart attacks occur within an hour of ingestion, but so far I have seen no confirmation of causality. While enemies of MJ correctly note the presence of carcinogens in MJ smoke (but not vapor), they are confounded because MJ smokers have lower rates of cancer than non-smokers. With "vaping" and "edibles" there is no smoke involved.

    Benefits are legion: pain, nausea,  seizures, cancer, spasticity, bone density, inflammatory bowel disease, auto-immune disorders… etc.

    Our inherent endocannabinoid system is quite interesting and helps explain the pharmacologic effects of phytocannabinoids.

    Yes, the loss of inhibition is a potential [dose-related] and serious problem. Risk and benefit must be carefully weighed as Catholics have done for two millennia in the case of alcohol.

    Lest anyone get suspicious or cast accusations—I am NOT an MMJ patient or recreational user, but I do advocate its appropriate use.


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    Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:

    Recreational use of Marijuana


    1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
    2. Weakens moral judgement
    3. Promotes immorality
    4. Fosters narcissism
    5. Leads to moral pessimism
    6. Is socially and morally divisive
    7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
    8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
    9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
    10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
    11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
    12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
    13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
    14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
    15. Often leads to use of other drugs
    16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
    17. Promotes other crime
    18. Often destroys relationships
    19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
    20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
    21. Retards emotions
    22. Wastes opportunities for good
    23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
    24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
    25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
    26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
    27 Is often its own object of worship
    28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
    29. Often leads to other addictions
    30. Inhibits holiness
    31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
    32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
     
    This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.