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Offline TKGS

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Malaysia Flight 370
« on: May 29, 2018, 04:47:30 PM »
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  • News reports are that the search for Malaysia Flight 370 has been officially abandoned.  Since the plane hasn't been found, is it possible that the plane flew past the edge of the earth and disappeared unable to return?


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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 07:10:37 PM »
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    The Indian Ocean is a vast and dangerous place to look for anything. 
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    Then there is the conspiracy theory that says "they" have known all along where it went, because "they" took it there.
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    Sections of its wing or tail/stabilizer was verified washed up on the beach in Madagascar last year. 
    That could have been a deliberate diversionary plant. 
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 07:51:02 PM »
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    "According to Williams-Thomas, a piece of wing found on Reunion Island, 3,000 miles from the search area, was "in an extended position that only a pilot could've done" and the only explanation for it being like that at the time of impact was that the person flying the plane was trying to bring it down on purpose."
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    Before the page gets deleted, this is from The Week (UK) :
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    http://www.theweek.co.uk/mh370/58037/mh370-conspiracy-theories-what-happened-to-the-missing-plane
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    The Week, May 1st, 2018
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    The Malaysia Airlines plane vanished in March 2014 with 239 people – mostly Chinese nationals – on board, during a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia to Beijing.
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    Mahathir, who ruled Malaysia for 22 years from 1981 to 2003, is currently leading an opposition bid to topple scandal-tainted incuмbent Prime Minister Najib Razak in elections due this year, writes Channel News Asia.
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    The 92-year-old has said in the past that he doesn’t believe Kuala Lumpur was involved in any cover-up of the whereabouts of MH370, but told The Australian this week that it was possible the plane might have been taken over “remotely”.
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    “It was reported in 2006 that Boeing was given a licence to operate the takeover of a hijacked plane while it is flying so I wonder whether that’s what happened or not,” said Mahathir. “It’s very strange that a plane leaves no trace at all.
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    “The capacity to do that is there. The technology is there. You know how good people are now with operating planes without pilots. Even fighter planes are to be without pilots. Some technology we can read in the press but many of military significance is not published,” he said.
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    In 2015, the Daily Mail reported that although the technology to fly planes from the ground does exist, “support for real-time monitoring of jets from the ground has stalled amid airline fears of the dangers of eliminating pilots and the possibilities of a so-called cyber-hijack by terrorists.” The paper added that unions representing pilots are also against the move.
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    What happened to flight MH370, which disappeared mid-flight in March 2014, has become one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries. The huge gap in reliable information about the aircraft’s fate has been filled with suggestions from armchair sleuths, aviation experts, authors and conspiracy theorists
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    Here are some of the wildest theories on how and why MH370 disappeared:
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    Shot down
    In mid March, an Australian man has made the sensational claim that he has found the wreckage of MH370 using Google Earth.
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    Peter McMahon, a mechanical engineer and amateur crash investigator, spent years combing the Indian Ocean on Google Earth looking for the plane.
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    According to Mr McMahon, the wreckage of the flight - which he claims is riddled with bullet holes - is located just a few miles south of Round Island, which is governed by Mauritius, in an area of the ocean that has not been searched by crews, the Daily Mail writes.
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    McMahon “took his claims one step further”, the site adds, by saying he also believed US officials were refusing to search the area, and were withholding information from the public.
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    “They have made sure that all information received has been hidden from the public, even our government, but why,” he told reporters.

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    “They do not want it found as it’s full of bullet holes, finding it will only open another inquiry,” he added.
    Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai has rubbished McMahon’s claims, and said that the images McMahon circulated had also analysed by Civil Aviation Authority Malaysia (CAAM).
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    “CAAM has found McMahon's claims to be baseless,” the New Straits Times reports. “Hence, the people should not be taken for a ride on the matter.”
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    What happened to flight MH370, which disappeared mid-flight in March 2014, has become one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries, and the huge gap in reliable information about the aircraft’s fate has been filled with suggestions from armchair sleuths, aviation experts, authors and conspiracy theorists
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    Here are some of the wildest theories on how and why MH370 disappeared.
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    Remote cyber hijacking
    In his book Beneath Another Sky: A Global Journey into History, respected writer and historian Norman Davies says technology designed to prevent another 9/11-style terror attack by allowing planes to be controlled remotely could have been exploited by cyber-spooks.
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    He suggests MH370, which was equipped with Boeing’s Honeywell Un-interruptible Autopilot on-board computer, could have been hacked and then reprogrammed and flown to a secret location.
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    He told The Sunday Times the plane may have been carrying sensitive material or personnel to Beijing, making it the subject of two kidnap attempts.
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    “There are reports that the cargo detailed in the manifest didn’t add up. I don’t know what it might have been carrying but it may have been carrying something somebody didn’t want to get to China.”
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    Because of this Davies suggested the plane could have been “remotely kidnapped by a hacker and then a second hacker or remote controller took it over”.
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    “The first kidnap was by the Americans, who wanted to stop the plane getting to Beijing and planned to divert it to Diego Garcia [a US naval base in the Indian Ocean], and then somebody hacked it to stop it from getting there” he said.
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    “Several other theories back up this possibility, pointing to the widely held belief that the official cargo manifest detailing what was actually on the Boeing 777 was wrong” says the Daily Mirror, and while it seems taken straight out of a modern-day spy film, a similar theory has been touted before.
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    Back in March 2014, just days after the plane went missing, the Sunday Express reported that hackers could have accessed the aircraft’s flight computer using a mobile phone and reprogrammed the speed, altitude and direction. “It could then be landed or made to crash by remote control,” the paper suggests, and it may be worth noting that the woman who came up with the theory “runs her own company training businesses and governments to counter terrorist attacks”.
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    Putin knows
    Vladimir Putin has known all along where the missing Malaysia Airlines jet is, according to a volunteer investigator.
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    Speaking to the Daily Star, Andre Milne said flight MH370 made a "soft ditch" landing in the Bay of Bengal, in the Indian Ocean, and that the Russian president was aware of this from the start.
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    "Satellites that were placed by the Russians saw the wreckage, he said. "Putin would have been given that information".
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    Putin kept quiet because he only discovered the fate of the jet thanks to a secret spy satellite, adds Milne, who previously appealed for £1.3m funding to scour the area for the missing jet.
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    He said: "The reason President Putin did not raise his hand and march in and say we found it is because technically he would have been admitting committing espionage."
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    Insisting that witness statements corroborated his theory, Milne added that if a search party ventured to the Bay of Bengal, they would find "wreckage with no flaperon" on the seafloor.
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    Mystery passenger
    Was there a mysterious extra passenger on board who took control of the doomed Boeing 777, plunging it into the sea?
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    That's the theory that emerged on the same day a lawsuit was filed in the US on behalf of the families of the victims of the MH370 crash.
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    According to volunteer investigator Andre Milne, the plane's official manifest says that 239 people went missing. He says there were officially 226 passengers on the flight (four failed to board) and another 12 crew, which makes a total of 238.
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    Milne told express.co.uk: "So now we have an 'extra' person on board MH370."
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    He added: "The extra passenger likely acted in conjunction with larger external operational support to take full command and control of the cockpit of MH370."
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    A spokesperson for the official MH370 investigation team said: "We are aware of this discrepancy. The actual number of passengers on board was 227."
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    He added that the apparent discrepancy appeared on a computerised "load sheet" which was sent out two hours before the plane took off.
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    "The actual figures can differ from that transmitted on the load sheet due to last minute changes," he said.
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    Cracks in the plane
    Perhaps the most prosaic, yet also most believable, theory as to why the plane went down does not centre around a conspiracy at all, but well-docuмented faults with the plane that could have led to it crashing.
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    Six months before the plane disappeared, the US aviation watchdog warned airlines of a problem with cracks in Boeing 777s that could lead to a mid-air break up or a catastrophic drop in pressure.
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    The Federal Aviation Administration issued a final warning just two days before MH370 disappeared after one airline found a 15-inch crack in the fuselage of one of its planes.
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    However, the Daily Mirror claims: “Boeing said that the FAA alert did not apply to the missing jet because it did not have the same antenna as the rest of the Boeing 777s”, further fuelling conspiracy theories.
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    The ‘Asian’ Bermuda Triangle
    One of the most popular theories on social media is the idea that there could be a second Bermuda Triangle somewhere in the Indian Ocean, explaining MH370’s sudden disappearance.
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    A number of planes and boats have gone missing in an area of the North Atlantic known as the Bermuda Triangle over the years, including five Torpedo bombers that mysteriously vanished there in 1945.
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    In a bid to back-up this hypothesis, some people – including one Malaysian minister – pointed out that the area where MH370 vanished is on the exact opposite side of the globe to the Bermuda Triangle.
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    Unfortunately those people are wrong; the exact opposite side of the globe is closer to the Caribbean than Bermuda, The Sunday Times notes.
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    The pilot wanted to 'create the world's greatest mystery'
    Former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott says he believes flight MH370 was brought down intentionally by a pilot who wanted to "create the world's greatest mystery".
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    Speaking ahead of the third anniversary of the plane's disappearance, he said: "I have always said the most plausible scenario was murder-ѕυιcιdє and if this guy wanted to create the world's greatest mystery why wouldn't he have piloted the thing to the very end and gone further south?
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    "Then there was the analysis that suggested there might be a prospective place to the north."
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    Search teams considered murder-ѕυιcιdє early on in their investigations, "but there was little to no evidence uncovered to support it", the Adelaide Advertiser says.
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    However, investigative journalist Mark Williams-Thomas does support the idea and says the fragments of evidence so far discovered point to an intentional act by the pilot.
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    According to Williams-Thomas, a piece of wing found on Reunion Island, 3,000 miles from the search area, was "in an extended position that only a pilot could've done" and the only explanation for it being like that at the time of impact was that the person flying the plane was trying to bring it down on purpose.
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    The latest hypothesis suggests the plane may have been ditched in the Indian Ocean by the pilot, who flew the aircraft right until the very end.
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    According to reports in The Australian, lead air crash investigator Captain John Cox believes evidence from the recovered wing flaps suggests the doomed plane was dumped intentionally.
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    “Based on that analysis I think it is likely, possibly highly likely, that there was an attempt to ditch the airplane,” he said.
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    Around 20 pieces of debris believed to be from MH370 have washed up on coastlines around the Indian Ocean. The most significant of these was the remains of a wing flap found on Reunion Island off the coast of east coast of Africa in 2015, and has since been positively identified as belonging to the missing Malaysian Airways flight.
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    However, “Captain Cox’s suggestion of a ditched aircraft does not support the popular theories that the plane was destroyed in a ‘death dive’ or a ‘ghost flight’” says the Daily Mail.
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    North Korea took MH370
    It didn't take long for the most secretive nation in the world to be dragged into the MH370 rumour mill. Shortly after the plane disappeared, several conspiracy theorists questioned whether North Korea might be the "missing link" in the mystery.
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    They pointed to South Korea's claim that North Korea nearly took out a Chinese plane carrying 220 passengers on 5 March 2014, with Chinese Southern Airlines reportedly passing through the trajectory of a North Korean missile just seven minutes after it was fired. Three days later, MH370 disappeared.
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    While some think Pyongyang shot down the plane, others think it might have hijacked it and diverted it to North Korea. One anonymous aviation worker told eTurboNews Group that somebody out there wanted "a really, really huge plane" and that they were most likely after the Boeing 777's technology. Would supreme leader Kim Jong-un go that far? "Kidnapping and human trafficking has always been part of North Korea's scary agenda," said Nelson Alcantara, eTN editor-in-chief. One Reddituser claimed the "perfect place" to perform a hijack would be over the sea soon after take-off. "The North Korean government is bat shit crazy," he added. "There's no telling what crazy logic they might have for taking a plane."
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    On the moon
    Three weeks after MH370 went missing, the Sunday Sport announced that the aircraft had been found... on the moon. The front page splash, complete with a doctored photograph of a plane on the surface of the moon, claimed to be a "world exclusive". Drawing attention to an unexplained blip on the radar seen close to flight MH370 before it disappeared, the newspaper said: "The simplest explanation is that this is an intergalactic spacecraft that has swallowed the Boeing 777 whole and transported it to the moon for some extra- terrestrial reason."
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    The "scoop" came 26 years after the tabloid published a very similar story about a B-52 bomber, also coincidentally discovered "on the moon". The incredible find turned out to be just as true as other celebrated Sunday Sport stories, such as "Aliens turned our son into a fish finger" and "Statue of Elvis found on Mars". When it emerged that no such bomber could be found on the lunar surface, the paper ran a follow-up headline on its front page: "World War 2 bomber found on moon vanishes".
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    Grid of energy
    One unusual theory bases its claims on the presumed location of where the MH370 went down.
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    Adherents to the "grid of energy" theory believe the Boeing 777 crashed on "a vortex energy point on the Earth's secret' free energy' grid", Illuminati Watcher says.
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    The idea goes that a web of "vortex points" around the world projects energy that the Illuminati – a mysterious group seeking to establish a "nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr" (read our full Illuminati explainer here) – knows how to harness.
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    That or it has something to do with "ancient aliens".
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    "The Ancient Astronaut Theory claims that aliens of the past used energy vortex points to travel around the globe, or potentially make mapping points (e.g. the Pyramids of Giza)," Illuminati Watcher explains. "This hidden energy grid is one way of getting off of traditional energy sources like oil and coal, so obviously the people in control of these Big Energy industries would want to keep it quiet."
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    (It continues for that much longer at the source page if you want more!)
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #3 on: May 29, 2018, 07:57:40 PM »
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    Reunion Island, east of Madagascar, French tropical island
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 06:14:19 AM »
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  • MH370 was not found because they relied solely on the Inmarsat data pings, which are incorrect. The earth is flat, but they are looking in the wrong place because they think it's a globe.

    If they followed the eyewitnesses they would find it. 


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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 07:38:38 AM »
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  • MH370 was not found because they relied solely on the Inmarsat data pings, which are incorrect. The earth is flat, but they are looking in the wrong place because they think it's a globe.

    If they followed the eyewitnesses they would find it.
    But aren't the people who conduted the search part of the conspiracy?

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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #6 on: May 30, 2018, 07:51:10 AM »
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  • But aren't the people who conduted the search part of the conspiracy?

    Maybe so, Maybe not.

    What is not productive is you making fun us.

    It won't make curve appear on the earth.

    It won't explain why we can see this mountain.



    Neil has yet to explain it.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 08:08:40 AM »
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  • But aren't the people who conduted the search part of the conspiracy?
    Ask yourself why they never searched the eyewitness locations. 


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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #8 on: May 30, 2018, 01:33:49 PM »
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  • Maybe so, Maybe not.

    What is not productive is you making fun us.

    It won't make curve appear on the earth.

    It won't explain why we can see this mountain.



    Neil has yet to explain it.
    "You making fun us."  You make all the fun of yourselves, and don't need any help.
    "Maybe so, Maybe not."  Can't seem to make up your mind, as usual? Right.
    The curve appears on the earth all by itself, every day, in all directions, all ready.
    Why can't we see Hawaii from Santa Barbara? Why can't we see Catalina? 
    If the Earth were "flat" we ought to be able to see Pitcairn, Easter, Tahiti, New Zealand and Australia too.
    Why can't we?
    In fact, since you claim that zooming in to a ship makes it re-appear on the horizon, then make the rest of Anacapa come back into view by zooming in on it? No? Can't do that? Why not? Because the earth isn't flat -- is that why?
    The video you post I've commented on many times.
    You ought to go to Tradidi.com and read the treatment Samuel gave it, which is well-illustrated.
    https://tradidi.com/fe-anacapa
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #9 on: May 30, 2018, 01:38:57 PM »
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  • But aren't the people who conduted the search part of the conspiracy?
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    For flat-earthers, there are two kinds of people in the world, flat-earthers, and all the conspirators out to get flat-earthers.
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    You're either with them or you are against them.
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    And if you're against them, no matter what, there is no way you'll ever grasp the hidden meaning of their secret knowledge.
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    That's the essence of gnosticism, and their closed-minded membership is a cult.
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    Flat-earthism is a gnostic cult.
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 04:05:06 PM »
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  • Neil,
    you are not even reading the subforum you post in so much:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/rebuttal-to-samuel/
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017


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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 04:07:17 PM »
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  • Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #12 on: May 30, 2018, 07:44:39 PM »
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    When logic and sound thinking fail them, flat-earthers resort to non-sequitur videos. 
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    In the absence of Truth is Transitory, the wimpy kiwiboy takes up the non-sequitur torch. 
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    Go for it!  What's a country bridge good for without a resident troll hiding underneath?
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    Re: Malaysia Flight 370
    « Reply #13 on: June 15, 2018, 04:16:45 AM »
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    More photos of Reunion Island
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