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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Ubi Caritas on March 13, 2025, 05:22:32 PM
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The lunar eclipse begins at 22h57 EST tonight. At 01h26, the moon will be in full shadow and bloom from black to a rusty orange-red for about an hour. It will be a really cool event! You can adjust this for your time zone - unlike a solar eclipse, everyone in the western hemisphere can see this happen almost simultaneously.
I was looking for a flat earth explanation of a lunar eclipse, but there hasn’t been any engagement on my previous thread – I tried to account for the variables and proposals; I was looking for someone to guide me there.
It’s really hard to give flat earth credence when no theory or system can be constructed around an event you can see with your own eyes, such as tonight’s. I joined this subforum in light of the lunar eclipse because I’ve noticed flat earth creeping about the edges of not a few Traditional Catholic positions. Flat earth seems more of a negation than a true system, describing what the world is not more than what it actually is and how it actually works– it doesn’t seem to have a cogent theory or model and, more concerning to me (I am a rhetoric teacher), it seems quick to dismiss any ethos or information source that is not sympathetic to its position. And it becomes a stumbling block to the Faith as it damages credibility – I’ve seen this happen in more than one instance.
It’s an interesting quandary; flat earth isn’t really that important to how one lives one’s life, but, socially, it seems a litmus test of someone’s intellect, integrity and legitimacy.
In any case, I hope some watch tonight and wonder—how is this happening? Draw a diagram, account for variables. Wonder is perhaps better tonight than answers—I like the idea that wonder is not only the beginning of wisdom, but the contemplation of beauty, and that sometimes gets lost.
Cheers!
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Friday forecast for the midwest is extreme weather alert.
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The lunar eclipse begins at 22h57 EST tonight. At 01h26, the moon will be in full shadow and bloom from black to a rusty orange-red for about an hour. It will be a really cool event! You can adjust this for your time zone - unlike a solar eclipse, everyone in the western hemisphere can see this happen almost simultaneously.
I was looking for a flat earth explanation of a lunar eclipse, but there hasn’t been any engagement on my previous thread – I tried to account for the variables and proposals; I was looking for someone to guide me there.
It’s really hard to give flat earth credence when no theory or system can be constructed around an event you can see with your own eyes, such as tonight’s. I joined this subforum in light of the lunar eclipse because I’ve noticed flat earth creeping about the edges of not a few Traditional Catholic positions. Flat earth seems more of a negation than a true system, describing what the world is not more than what it actually is and how it actually works– it doesn’t seem to have a cogent theory or model and, more concerning to me (I am a rhetoric teacher), it seems quick to dismiss any ethos or information source that is not sympathetic to its position. And it becomes a stumbling block to the Faith as it damages credibility – I’ve seen this happen in more than one instance.
It’s an interesting quandary; flat earth isn’t really that important to how one lives one’s life, but, socially, it seems a litmus test of someone’s intellect, integrity and legitimacy.
In any case, I hope some watch tonight and wonder—how is this happening? Draw a diagram, account for variables. Wonder is perhaps better tonight than answers—I like the idea that wonder is not only the beginning of wisdom, but the contemplation of beauty, and that sometimes gets lost.
Cheers!
Oh, how neat! Thanks for sharing! ☺️
So... Basically it starts around 11 pm tonight!
I have great memories watching lunar eclipses and comets growing up... If only I didn't need my sleep like when I was younger.. :cowboy:
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It’s really hard to give flat earth credence when no theory or system can be constructed around an event you can see with your own eyes, such as tonight’s.
There are many theories about how/why lunar eclipses work and ancient Flat Earth societies could predict them with perfect accuracy.
You won't give flat earth any serious consideration because you've been brainwashed, so stop trying to feign any objectivity.
There are many fails for globe earth, such as stars being visible through what should be solid moon, selenelion ecclipses, the inability to explain the measurable coldness of moon light, the aburdity of the same face of the moon facing the earth exactly whereas even a second difference in the rotation of the moon and its revolution around the earth would change faces over the years, despite modern science even claiming that the moon drifts slight farther away from the earth every year (so that the rotation would have to change proportionately to offset the drift), the manner in which the "face" of the moon rotates around the central axis in different parts of the earth, as well as recorded observations where way more than half the earth could see the moon at the same time (with different people chiming in from different parts of the world) when it should not be visible from more than about half the globe. Those are just the ones off the top of my head, and much more could be written.
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There are many theories about how/why lunar eclipses work and ancient Flat Earth societies could predict them with perfect accuracy.
You won't give flat earth any serious consideration because you've been brainwashed, so stop trying to feign any objectivity.
There are many fails for globe earth, such as stars being visible through what should be solid moon, selenelion ecclipses, the inability to explain the measurable coldness of moon light, the aburdity of the same face of the moon facing the earth exactly whereas even a second difference in the rotation of the moon and its revolution around the earth would change faces over the years, despite modern science even claiming that the moon drifts slight farther away from the earth every year (so that the rotation would have to change proportionately to offset the drift), the manner in which the "face" of the moon rotates around the central axis in different parts of the earth, as well as recorded observations where way more than half the earth could see the moon at the same time (with different people chiming in from different parts of the world) when it should not be visible from more than about half the globe. Those are just the ones off the top of my head, and much more could be written.
Also, we should be physically unable to see Mercury and Venus at all, since the sun would obscure them during the day, and at night (wherever you are) is facing AWAY FROM the sun. Mercury and Venus are (according to the accepted globe model) INNER planets. At no point can you look OUT from the earth (away from the earth, towards space) and see something that is inward, towards the sun. The entire orbit of these 2 planets is BETWEEN earth and the sun.
What I want to know, is how a full moon (happening every month) shining directly overhead can be so evenly lit (not lit like a 3D globe at all), when the thing directly "below it" is the earth. My yard and the surrounding land of Earth is NOT shining a powerful spotlight on the moon above. How can it be so perfectly lit? And the tip closest to us is every bit as bright as the far edges of the "moon ball". Never seen anywhere. That's not how spheres are illuminated. It is *always* brighter on the closest point, and somewhat dimmer as you go outward.
If you want to claim it's being lit from the side, then it should *definitely* show different kinds of lighting, as it crosses the sky at different points. But no, it's 100% uniform lit, from horizon across the sky to the opposite horizon. No slight different to any part of the moon. Almost like it's a luminary heavenly body producing its own light, its own phases, and not a sphere at all.
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The atheists came up with the globe paradigm as a way to explain ALL OF CREATION from a single Big Bang.
We don't need to resort to that. That's the only reason everything would be orbiting, spinning.
The Scientologists (it's a religion, not true science) claim to have an explanation for everything in the physical world. You have to divorce yourself from that way of thinking. There are things mysterious, which the mind of man will not grasp, and will never enter into his knowledge. Read Scripture for the correct attitude towards God and His creation.
Sure, we men explore God's creation, and try to understand as much as possible. But for many things (how does this work, what are the mechanics of this or that) the answer must needs be I don't know. Isn't God great?
Moving from the confident, bold lies of Science (TM) to the truth (Flat Earth), you have to give up that 100% know-it-all knowledge and explanations for everything. We never had those to begin with, you see. They were always bullshit, for lack of a better term.
But as one man said, "Falsification is independent of replacement." Regardless of whether I have an equally satisfying explanation in my back pocket to give you, a lie is still a lie. I can call out and disprove a lie, without necessarily replacing it with the truth.
If I find out I was adopted, but have no idea who my real parents are, it doesn't mean my adopted parents are "still my real biological parents" until I can find my real parents. No, it doesn't work that way. If you find a box in the closet with hard evidence you were adopted, then you were adopted. Who are your real parents? Don't know. But yesterday I had certainty about who my parents were! No, you had BS false certainty. It was a lie. It will always be a lie, regardless of whether you EVER determine who your real parents are.
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Ah, a pity for those with an overcast.
I've got to get out there and set up my scope, but perhaps tomorrow, or when convenient--I'm just looking for flat earth information about a lunar eclipse. I mean, that's literally happening outside right now. I think having convictions, whatever side you fall on, and asking for a discussion is fair game. And to that end, anyone who can present the flat earth explanation of a lunar eclipse, please, I'd like to know more and challenge what I can't understand or follow.
I hope some of you catch the sky tonight!
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The Sun symbolizes God.
The Moon symbolizes the Church.
The Earth symbolizes Man.
A full Lunar Eclipse, a Blood Moon, is an astronomical event signaling that the time of Tribulation in the Church is near. It is a Tribulation in which, a man (Earth), the Antipope/Antichrist, interferes with the Divine Light (Sun) reaching the Church (Moon). Biblically, it is an omen of imminent, apocalyptic events.
St. Peter describes it this way in Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2:
16 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=16-#x)But this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel: 17 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=17-#x)And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. 18 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=18-#x)And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy. 19 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=19-#x)And I will shew wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood and fire, and vapour of smoke. 20 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=20-#x)The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord come.
21 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=51&ch=2&l=21-#x)And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
Watch and pray.
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(https://i.imgur.com/nud7HwU.jpeg) (This is an image of what I saw. Not a picture I took.)
Has anybody seen a moon like this in the sky? I have. If the moon is just a light, how do you see the rest of the moon, sometimes. Please explain.
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The Sun symbolizes God.
The Moon symbolizes the Church.
The Earth symbolizes Man.
A full Lunar Eclipse, a Blood Moon, is an astronomical event signaling that the time of Tribulation in the Church is near. It is a Tribulation in which, a man (Earth), the Antipope/Antichrist, interferes with the Divine Light (Sun) reaching the Church (Moon). Biblically, it is an omen of imminent, apocalyptic events.
St. Peter describes it this way in Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2:
Watch and pray.
This is a relatively common event, and the sun is not being turned into darkness.
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f8, 200, 200
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Same as above with much slower shutter: f6.4, s2, iso400
(https://i.imgur.com/4ZjVn4H.jpeg)
6.3, 4, 800
(https://i.imgur.com/RR3y15U.jpeg)
6.3, 3, 800
(https://i.imgur.com/1cnBbJA.jpeg)
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Moving from the confident, bold lies of Science (TM) to the truth (Flat Earth), you have to give up that 100% know-it-all knowledge and explanations for everything. We never had those to begin with, you see. They were always bullshit, for lack of a better term.
But as one man said, "Falsification is independent of replacement." Regardless of whether I have an equally satisfying explanation in my back pocket to give you, a lie is still a lie. I can call out and disprove a lie, without necessarily replacing it with the truth.
How about: ignorance is independent of falsification. If you don't understand how something works or is possible, it doesn't mean it's false.
How can the earth be flat if there's a 24hr antarctic sun? Don't go replacing the globe with FE, because it's falsified a lot more than the globe. The best you could hope for is an oversized 2/3 sphere with a hole or foundation beyond antarctica.
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The atheists came up with the globe paradigm as a way to explain ALL OF CREATION from a single Big Bang.
We don't need to resort to that. That's the only reason everything would be orbiting, spinning.
The Scientologists (it's a religion, not true science) claim to have an explanation for everything in the physical world. You have to divorce yourself from that way of thinking. There are things mysterious, which the mind of man will not grasp, and will never enter into his knowledge. Read Scripture for the correct attitude towards God and His creation.
Sure, we men explore God's creation, and try to understand as much as possible. But for many things (how does this work, what are the mechanics of this or that) the answer must needs be I don't know. Isn't God great?
Moving from the confident, bold lies of Science (TM) to the truth (Flat Earth), you have to give up that 100% know-it-all knowledge and explanations for everything. We never had those to begin with, you see. They were always bullshit, for lack of a better term.
Hey, missed your post, Matthew as I was out the door. I don’t suppose you had a chance to catch the moon? It’s hard to carve time out of a father’s life. I’ve been borrowing a telescope – it’s such a neat experience. I’ll have to actually buy my own one day.
You’ve got a lot of points there, but I just can’t do a gish gallop – that way leads to madness. Can you pick one point and we examine it? If you’re game. A gish-gallop is great for overwhelming or flustering an opponent, but it leaves you open to the opponent seeking what he perceives as the weakest argument out of the lot and ignoring the others. Then, if he succeeds in demonstrating that argument is false, he believes he can dismiss and invalidate the others. Your memes there are tempting, but, seriously, if you have time and interest, it would be better to present a single, clear point.
And you’re making a lot of claims here based on…personal ethos? God could have made planets and sent them spinning along…and no scientist I follow pretends to know everything. The correct attitude towards God would seem a healthy infusion of humility and wonder. Are you saying that you don’t know how a lunar eclipse works on a flat earth model, or that it can’t be known? The universe is ordered, the celestial elements can all be seen and docuмented—it’s precisely because a lunar eclipse is good evidence of a globe earth that you should revisit your supposition…and if the earth is a globe,God is still great! This rebuttal smacks of ad ignorantiam - a pious one, I grant you: are you buttressing this assertion by the other points you present here that suggest the earth is not a globe, ergo, even if a lunar eclipse doesn’t work in the flat earth belief, it doesn’t matter, because it certainly can’t be a globe?
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Just a personal opinion here, and forgive my poor ability to put it into words, and with proper punctuation. I think that nature, as it is ordered since original sin, has a certain pride and rebellion woven through it, such that to the godless perspective all of nature to a very great extent appears to explain it's own causality, as if nature makes and orders itself and everything in it logically, without the need for an intelligent designer having both created it all, and continually sustain it in existence, and granting effect to the various powers given to the laws of the natural world. This is observable anywhere I can think of, at least until the limits (of smallness, largeness, or time) are reached. Given this line of reasoning, I think it literally sensible and reasonable to conclude that studying the sky will show it's nature; that earth is a globe with a moon orbiting, a sun, planets, and stars, all of very great size and distance, and that each part has a role to play in the cause and effect of the various phenomena. It does not disprove or diminish God in any way, but it does leave open a means to be lead into doubt about God, and to be earthly and not lift one's mind to God. For lack of a better way of saying it, perhaps it would be too easy to believe and be saved if the earth was obviously flat, and if the heavens defied natural laws, though we can be sure that corrupt humanity, with the help of the devil, would find some way to excel at damnation.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RgyvKi8.jpeg)
f8, 200, 200
(https://i.imgur.com/nqrAFN1.jpeg)
f8, s50, iso80
(https://i.imgur.com/nKFC9Qh.jpeg)
Same as above with much slower shutter: f6.4, s2, iso400
(https://i.imgur.com/4ZjVn4H.jpeg)
6.3, 4, 800
(https://i.imgur.com/RR3y15U.jpeg)
6.3, 3, 800
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Great pictures!!! Thank you for sharing!!! :cowboy:
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6.3 160 80
(https://i.imgur.com/RgyvKi8.jpeg)
f8, 200, 200
(https://i.imgur.com/nqrAFN1.jpeg)
f8, s50, iso80
(https://i.imgur.com/nKFC9Qh.jpeg)
Same as above with much slower shutter: f6.4, s2, iso400
(https://i.imgur.com/4ZjVn4H.jpeg)
6.3, 4, 800
(https://i.imgur.com/RR3y15U.jpeg)
6.3, 3, 800
(https://i.imgur.com/1cnBbJA.jpeg)
Absolutely gorgeous!
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Just a personal opinion here, and forgive my poor ability to put it into words, and with proper punctuation. I think that nature, as it is ordered since original sin, has a certain pride and rebellion woven through it, such that to the godless perspective all of nature to a very great extent appears to explain it's own causality, as if nature makes and orders itself and everything in it logically, without the need for an intelligent designer having both created it all, and continually sustain it in existence, and granting effect to the various powers given to the laws of the natural world. This is observable anywhere I can think of, at least until the limits (of smallness, largeness, or time) are reached. Given this line of reasoning, I think it literally sensible and reasonable to conclude that studying the sky will show it's nature; that earth is a globe with a moon orbiting, a sun, planets, and stars, all of very great size and distance, and that each part has a role to play in the cause and effect of the various phenomena. It does not disprove or diminish God in any way, but it does leave open a means to be lead into doubt about God, and to be earthly and not lift one's mind to God. For lack of a better way of saying it, perhaps it would be too easy to believe and be saved if the earth was obviously flat, and if the heavens defied natural laws, though we can be sure that corrupt humanity, with the help of the devil, would find some way to excel at damnation.
I don't know if I followed your thought, but I think you are saying that the order inherent in a world created by God can be recognized, and though this order remains so seamless and ubiquitous despite the Fall, it lends itself now to the Godless assuming this order - taking it for granted, impressive system that it is - and not seeking its Creator? An interesting idea, if so, but it calls to mind the old conundrum, if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? I would think that it takes a mind to appreciate Creation, so it is the fallen man who is proud when he revels in Creation, a slave to concupiscence and pride. I would almost advance the opposite, that Creation, since the Fall, has been humbled, polluted, and thus what would have been easy - the apprehension of God in His works - is now hard as man has first to transcend his suffering and trials to see nature as good and as coming from a Creator, and, in addition, must put in tedious observation and effort to figure out how things work.
Thank you for the thought!
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I would almost advance the opposite, that Creation, since the Fall, has been humbled, polluted, and thus what would have been easy - the apprehension of God in His works - is now hard as man has first to transcend his suffering and trials to see nature as good and as coming from a Creator, and, in addition, must put in tedious observation and effort to figure out how things work.
While I can't say that I follow all of what you said, I think what I wrote would also accept your thought without contradiction. I think it may be both in a certain way. Anyway, I agree with you at least for the most part.