Author Topic: Looking Round  (Read 488 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Merry

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 510
  • Reputation: +299/-82
  • Gender: Female
If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

Offline Neil Obstat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18173
  • Reputation: +8260/-638
  • Gender: Male
Re: Looking Round
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 10:09:13 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    Happy Columbus Day to you too. 
    Our local school district does not take Columbus Day off. Too politically incorrect. 
    But they're re-considering since the movement to change it to "Indigenous People's Day." 
    .
    As a point of fact, while the voyage of Columbus was supportive of the earth being spherical, there was more to come.
    When Ferdinand Magellan sailed around the horn of Tierra del Fuego and crossed the Pacific Ocean, to the Philippines, then his surviving assistant sailed on to the Spice Islands, across the Indian Ocean past Madagascar and around the Cape of Good Hope and on home to Europe it was solid proof of the spherical earth. 
    .
    All these things in history are important for knowing what history  has to teach us. 
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8260/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Looking Round
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 01:46:12 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    FERDINAND MAGELLAN
    c. 1480 - 27 April 1521
    2019 is the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan
    Whose three-year circumnavigation of the earth proved for all time the earth is a globe,
    for everyone with a mind to think, that is.

    But flat-earthdom syndromers missed the boat!

    ::)
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18173
    • Reputation: +8260/-638
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Looking Round
    « Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 01:41:34 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • .
    Ferdinand Magellan lived to be 41 years old, having survived a treacherous voyage across the Pacific into unknown territory, with most of his sailors dying of scurvy (at a time when they didn't know that vitamin C prevented it), only to die in battle defending his ships. 
    .
    But the voyage he began, his lifetime achievement, made his a household name all around the world.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline AlligatorDicax

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 908
    • Reputation: +371/-172
    • Gender: Male
    Circumnavigation/Re: Looking Round
    « Reply #4 on: January 20, 2019, 10:54:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • (It would perhaps be best if I interrupt my research on the historical figure to whom Neil Obstat digressed, and post what I've already drafted: I believe today is the historically tightly connected Filipino feast of Señor Santo Niño [‡].)

    Fernão de Magalhães sailed from Sanlúcar, at the mouth of the Guadalquivir (River) with a 5-ship flotilla on September 20, 1519.


    Ferdinand Magellan lived to be 41 years old, having survived a treacherous voyage across the Pacific into unknown territory [....]

    There was plenty of treachery in the Western Hemisphere before he reached the ocean that he cluelessly named "Pacific": A major mutiny, quelled by executions, plus a separate desertion in or just before the Strait of Magellan, the deserters taking 1 ship with them back toward Spain.  And 1 other ship was wrecked in a storm while exploring ahead before reaching the Strait.


    [...] only to die in battle defending his ships.

    His fateful arrival in the Philippine Archipelago was not until 1521.  He was killed in that archipelago at Mactan Island, while in direct command of a military shore party from his ships.  Having been successful at converting 1 local chief on Cebu to Catholicism, Magalhães had imprudently decided to increase his favor with that chief by intervening in a rivalry between the latter and a chief on Mactan (Island) who refused conversion.  Mactan was within what might be considered the "sphere of influence" of the newly Catholic chief, being a small island barely-offshore of Cebu [@].  The intervention by Magalhães began with a boastful message to the effect that the Mactan chief would feel the power of Spanish arms if he and his subjects didn't accept the Spanish terms.

    Well !  Thomas Hendrick, in The Catholic Encyclopedia, called it "a foolhardy battle"[‡].  The Spaniards failed to comprehend the military significance of the island's fringing coral reef to a landing that was intended to be covered by cannon fire and various small arms from their ships.  Instead, the reef kept the ships out of range, and required the soldiers to enter the "water up to our thighs",  which slowed their approach, "through water for more than two cross-bow flights".   That was a serious disadvantage when overwhelming numbers of armed natives, estimated as 1500, appeared on shore and charged.  As the attack turned against Magalhães, most members of the shore party fled, instead of making the orderly retreat that he ordered.  The ships themselves, being out beyond the reef, were in no danger.  The fleeing shore party climbed back into the boats that brought them, "except six or eight of us who remained with the captain" to fight off increasingly bold attacks from the natives, who had recognized (or figured out) that Magalhães was the leader of the attack.  So it was that his own voyage ended, as he was cut down and killed. [†]

    -------
    Note @: Mactan occupies approx. 25 sq. mi. approx. 1 mi. offshore [#].  The ".png" URL below is an illustration that's worth well more than the proverbial "1000 words": It shows the relationship of the 2 islands.  Most accounts I've read simply name the islands.  Uh, huh.   Cebu is one of the religiously (thus culturally) most prominent islands [‡] in the Philippine Archipelago, so some readers either know or can look up its location.  But just about everyone is left with nearly no hope of finding Mactan among the more-or-less 7000 other islands there. 
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ph_locator_cebu_mactan.png>, displayed on <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mactan>.

    Note #: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mactan_Island>.

    Note †: In the quote translated as "he ordered us to retire slowly, but the men took to fight, except six or eight of us who remained with the captain", the bolded word should be corrected to "flight".   Sigh.  In general, see this source, which includes excerpts as translated from de facto chronicler Antonio Pigafetta: "The Death of Magellan, 1521".  EyeWitness to History, © 2001: Ibis Communications, Inc.
    <http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/magellan.htm>.

    Note ‡: Thomas Hendrick: "Diocese of Cebú (CEBUANENSIS); DIOECESIS NOMINIS JESU".  The Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 3, 1908.  Robert Appleton Co.: New York.   <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03471a.htm>.


    Offline WholeFoodsTrad

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 529
    • Reputation: +106/-157
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Looking Round
    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2019, 01:31:56 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16