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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2018, 02:04:27 PM »
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  • It's not unreasonable that a studio mock-up was used to produce reliably clear images in ADVANCE that would be made public ON THE OCCASION of the launch of the Tesla roadster. Think about it. How could they have planned on positioning a camera in just the right place while the car is set loose from the space pod, with Earth in the background?

    :laugh1:

    Fine.  So they made these images in studio for the sake of achieving an "adrenaline rush".

    Nevertheless, then this is a huge FAIL in establishing/proving globe earth.  So move along now.

    You put this video out there as some proof of globe earth ... due to the images, which you now admit COULD be fake.  So what does it prove then?

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #106 on: February 21, 2018, 02:17:19 PM »
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  • Shawn29 minutes ago
    LOVE THE CURVE ON THAT EARTH TO SHUT UP EVERY FLAT EARTHER NUTJOB 

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    Oh, but wait -- except the flat-earthers on CathInfo -- they'll never change, they're pertinacious in their obstinacy.

    You just admitted that these images could have been made in a studio ... and yet you were trying earlier to adduce these potentially fake images as proof of globe earth.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #107 on: February 21, 2018, 04:13:21 PM »
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  • You just admitted that these images could have been made in a studio ... and yet you were trying earlier to adduce these potentially fake images as proof of globe earth.
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    How many times do you need to be told?
    We don't have to use photos of the earth from outer space in order to "prove" the earth is spheroid.
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    Getting broadcast/publish/professional quality images of the earth from space, especially with a foreground subject in the same shot (much closer focus range therefore limiting the f/stop possibilities) is a technical nightmare.
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    The purpose of the Spacex photos is to docuмent what the mission/missions entail. The fact of what they are doing in space is not inherently related to getting good photos of it happening. Whether we have actual photos of the roadster with the earth in the background has nothing to do with whether the car was launched on its course by the Spacex pod. The car is on its way around the sun even if the process of sending it there did not include satisfying the flat-earthers who can't imagine what they would see if they were actually there. But even if they WERE there they wouldn't believe what they see with their own eyes. They would say, "Someone is tricking us! This must be a hologram! We are not in space because we never hit the DOME!"
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    I don't know about you, but I have seen all I need to see already to know the horizon is far below the level line of sight from a tall mountain. So I don't need Spacex to "prove" the earth isn't "flat." I've already seen what I need to see. Apparently you haven't.
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    I can't expect you to take my word for it, but that doesn't stop me from offering it.
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    There are numerous other ways of observing the curvature of the earth that doesn't involve trekking to the top of Mt. Whitney with surveying equipment which you are already familiar with using.
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    I can recommend meeting amateur astronomers when they have their telescopes out observing the stars in the sky, and when they can answer your questions. You might find yourself amazed at how much amateurs can show you first hand.
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    The proof of the sphericity of the earth is everywhere we look.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #108 on: February 21, 2018, 04:21:21 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    Fine.  So they made these images in studio for the sake of achieving an "adrenaline rush".

    Nevertheless, then this is a huge FAIL in establishing/proving globe earth.  So move along now.

    You put this video out there as some proof of globe earth ... due to the images, which you now admit COULD be fake.  So what does it prove then?
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    Move along yourself! 
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    Nobody needs photos from the roadster to "prove" the earth is spheroid.
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    There wouldn't be any roadster on its way to Mars orbit if the men behind its launch were flat-earthers.
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    You keep saying I tried to offer these photos as "proof of globe earth." I really don't know where I did that. Do you have a quote?
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    Spacex has been launching and LANDING booster rockets for YEARS already, and they most certainly would not be able to get the booster rockets to land with pinpoint accuracy if they had the wrong model of the shape of the earth in mind.
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    I'd like to see a flat-earther launch a rocket into low earth orbit or close to it, then return their booster to their "flat" earth.
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    Go ahead. Any time you're ready just let me know.
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    The whole industry of Spacex is proof that they know what they're doing better than anyone else has managed to accomplish.
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #109 on: February 21, 2018, 04:27:59 PM »
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  • As I said, stupid.  Nobody's "jealous" of this alleged rocket.  What "fake argument"?  You can see screen shots from their own video where the globe has NO LAND on it.  And they docuмent their own altitude ... from which it would not be possible to get that "blue marble" view depicted in the video.

    You're just acting like a baby now.
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    The globe doesn't have any land on it at close range over the Atlantic Ocean, does it? 
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    Resorting to silly insults won't get you anywhere.
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    The jealousy of flat-earthers is what drives their malicious diatribe. They can't stand it when they lose. Again.
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    And when someone notices the fact they get even more malicious. It's transparent. For those with eyes to see.
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #110 on: February 21, 2018, 04:53:59 PM »
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  • That was so damned amazing and thrilling.  I'm so proud of American enterprise.  It's about time we started having some fun in space.  

    Here's to many years of affordable, rapid re-deployment into outer space.  
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    Elon Musk has a foot in 3 different industries: Solar City (with Tesla Power Wall technology that actually WORKS) solar power systems, Tesla automotive (cars and now semi-truck tractors, with total system integration -- motor drive and lithium-ion batteries), and SpaceX (which involves both solar power and li-ion batteries).
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    To meet the steep increase in DEMAND for Li-ion batteries he's building the Gigafactory facility which will produce more batteries than all the rest of the world's factories combined. The entirely GREEN planning will be free of pollution and self-reliant on energy. That's not a 4th industry, but rather it's a common support system for the three main divisions of industry: Solar power, re-usable, environmentally friendly components and transportation.
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    Will this have any effect on American manufacturing? 
    At first, yes, but eventually Mr. Musk promises to build Gigafactories in other continents, too.
    If the world doesn't "end" first, we're looking at a whole new world just around the corner.
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    He also had the idea of the Hyperloop which promises to revolutionize long distance travel freeing us from airline aggravation and inconveniences, but he recognized that 3 industries to build was enough and 4 would be too many. So he has turned over the Hyperloop to such firms as BMW (Bavarian Motor Works) who are quite happy to get a foot in the door of the next great phase of human history.
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    But what do flat-earthers have to say about Mr. Musk?
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    I’ve seen enough of Elon to know he speaks the language of Anti-Christ 


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    All Righty Then. Looks like American manufacturing is inherently evil, eh?
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    Solar power, space travel and green manufacturing are going to take us all directly to HELL -- do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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    Game over, eh?
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #111 on: February 21, 2018, 05:12:10 PM »
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  • You just admitted that these images could have been made in a studio ... and yet you were trying earlier to adduce these potentially fake images as proof of globe earth.
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    Perhaps you're confusing what I wrote with what I quoted from what others wrote.
    In the first few posts of this thread I quoted posts from YouTube sites where comments were such things as:
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    Willzy
    T H E - E A R T H - IS - N O T - F L A T !!!
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    Nuke33 minutes ago
    Willzy Yeah
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    Samuel Coughlin30 minutes ago
    Yes it is, this just proved it
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    Joseph Kolodziejski29 minutes ago (edited)
    The Earth is most definitely flat. 

    strains to keep straight face
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    Shawn29 minutes ago
    LOVE THE CURVE ON THAT EARTH TO SHUT UP EVERY FLAT EARTHER NUTJOB 
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    Christian Brolin24 minutes ago
    No, the earth is round. Just like a pancake.
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    Matthew K.23 minutes ago
    /0 /0 That is the car leaving the capsule, it’s on a loop.
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    Jo Woo19 minutes ago
    Well duh....
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    Shao Ye16 minutes ago
    The earth is not round too, it just looks like a ball in the 4 dimensional world.
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    To your credit, I didn't explain it at the time, but I was merely posting these comments that others had made for docuмenting the fact that they were made, because they represent a worldwide knee-jerk reaction to the SpaceX launch that happened now just 2 weeks ago. I had found the comments interesting. But that doesn't mean I was proposing that the SpaceX photos were "proof" of the sphericity of the earth, even if some of the posted comments make it appear that's what some are saying.
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    The contribution these posts make to "the argument" is limited to how much ridicule flat-earthers have to endure from everyone.
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    It's not necessarily an inherent part of the discussion but to ignore its existence is to ignore a portion of current events and reality.
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    If I were a flat-earther, I'd be upset, too! 
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    But like I've already explained many times, I don't need any "photos" to "prove" the earth isn't "flat."
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    Try as I may to share the innumerable reasons the sphericity of the earth is evidenced everywhere we look, it falls on deaf ears.
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    Not even the success of SpaceX is sufficient to wake up dogmatic flat-earthers.
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    This needs to be docuмented because future generations won't believe there actually were flat-earthers around while this was going on.
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #112 on: February 21, 2018, 05:36:16 PM »
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  • You just admitted that these images could have been made in a studio ... and yet you were trying earlier to adduce these potentially fake images as proof of globe earth.
    BRAVO, Ladislaus! 
    You got Neil Globestat to admit the Starman globe photos are FAKE.
    WELL DONE!


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #113 on: February 21, 2018, 05:59:55 PM »
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  • How many times do you need to be told?

    We don't have to use photos of the earth from outer space in order to "prove" the earth is spheroid.

    I agree.  But YOU were trying to use fake studio-generated pictures to "prove" that the earth is not flat.

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #114 on: February 21, 2018, 06:28:52 PM »
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  • I agree.  But YOU were trying to use fake studio-generated pictures to "prove" that the earth is not flat.
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    I'm sorry if I somehow gave that impression but I can't find anywhere that I did so. Can you?
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    I found copies I've posted left by contributors to YouTube comments sections but I did not enclose them in a "quote" box since anyone copying my post would be deprived of the box contents in their post, so to prevent that from happening I just provided the name of the contributor along with his words in a format I thought was self-evident that it WAS NOT MY WORDS but the words of some other contributor.
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    I only copied those comments because A) I thought others might enjoy their wild leaps of inference and judgment and B) they show how much worldwide reaction there is going on against flat-earthism. In comparison, CI is pretty MILD. 
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #115 on: February 21, 2018, 06:41:13 PM »
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    Wait -- you don't really think the video shots of the Tesla car with the earth in the background are real, do you?
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    How come you're not accusing them of using a blue screen or CGI?
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    Where exactly did I try to use studio photos to 'prove' that the earth is not flat?
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #116 on: February 21, 2018, 06:56:09 PM »
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    This was funny:
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    There was NO SpaceX launch; you know that.

    You can deny the event all you want, but there are a lot of public and private photos/videos taken.  
    What would be great is if you were to go there and take a picture the next time of it not happening, you know, with all the other spectators taking pictures at the same time.
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    Like, all the other spectators taking pictures of it not happening!! Yeeaahh.
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    If I've said it once I've said it a dozen times, flat-earthers would not believe the spheroid earth if they were to go into outer space and see it with their own eyes. They'd say someone is playing a trick on them! Must be a hologram! I CAN'T be lucid dreaming 'cause I can't MAKE IT STOP!
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    Thanks to flat-earthers these are getting better all the time.
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #117 on: February 21, 2018, 07:30:33 PM »
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    Just yesterday an astronomer on the radio reported that many amateur astronomers all over the world are tracking the course of the Spacex Tesla roadster in space, because using high powered telescopes from earth they are actually able to see it as it drifts slowly away from the earth.
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    So according to your outlook, all these amateur astronomers are conspiring to deceive everyone? Sounds like the default position to me!
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    It's not unreasonable that a studio mock-up was used to produce reliably clear images in ADVANCE that would be made public ON THE OCCASION of the launch of the Tesla roadster. Think about it. How could they have planned on positioning a camera in just the right place while the car is set loose from the space pod, with Earth in the background? Are they going to have a second probe tossed off of the probe whose only purpose is to be rocketed around to various angles and trajectories so as to capture the perfect shot without sun glare, dark spots, overexposure, bad focus, improper frame position or other concerns? Was there a boom attached to the bottom of the car at the end of which was mounted a camera with capacity to receive, process and excecute technical adjustments while transmitting the signal of the recorded image back to the probe, which would in turn relay the information back to earth? I'd like to see the price tag for such a rig -- no doubt it would be a hundred times more than the cost of shooting a studio model. And if anything went wrong with the plan nobody would be getting that essential adrenaline rush of seeing the car and SpaceMan drifting off with "Don't Panic!" displayed on the dash screen. The fact is, the whole purpose of the car, the stuffed space suit and the Panic screen was to obtain the adrenaline rush worldwide, the echoes of which will perhaps outlive the very roadster it refers to. All it would take is one asteroid and POOF the roadster is history. We just had another one whisk by, measuring 200 meters in diameter. If one of those were to hit the earth it would make for a really bad day for millions of people. And if they were to have published the explanation that what everyone saw was a faked roadster and Spaceman view, what good would that do for the all-important worldwide adrenaline rush? It's a matter of priorities. There shouldn't be any doubt that Elon Musk's roadster is on its way around the sun, perhaps for "millions of years," and the reality of that in the minds of dreamers deserves a reliably memorable image from day one. What crime is there in giving the dreamers what they crave?
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    This post is epic for its total BS.
    Neil, do you believe NASA  faked the moon landing so that America could have the adrenaline rush?

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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #118 on: February 21, 2018, 09:04:30 PM »
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  • This post is epic for its total BS.
    Neil, do you believe NASA  faked the moon landing so that America could have the adrenaline rush?
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    Do you really believe the earth is "flat" or are you just faking it in your lame attempt to make Catholics look like dimwits?
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    BTW thank you for actually reading my post!
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    Re: Launch Replay! SpaceX's 1st Falcon Heavy Rocket Launch into Space!
    « Reply #119 on: February 22, 2018, 09:07:39 AM »
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    Do you really believe the earth is "flat" or are you just faking it in your lame attempt to make Catholics look like dimwits?
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    BTW thank you for actually reading my post!
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    LADISLAUS: Did you see the above post from Neil Globestat?
    See how he dodged the question about the moon landing? 
    I can now safely assume that he does not believe we went to the moon. He believes NASA did it to give America a phony adrenaline rush.
    Since he knows we didn't go to the moon, it seems odd he still believes earth is a globe.  Especially since that means there are no pics of the globe.