Author Topic: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas (Read 7367 times)

hismajesty · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2018, 05:04:45 AM »

People were thrown off a bit when st. Thomas came behind it. There was a fear of criticising him. People knew the truth, but were afraid to say it too loudly to avoid going against st. Thomas.

That's the more subtle reality of things, that globalists don't want to admit.

happenby · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2018, 09:44:33 AM »

Quote from: hismajesty on June 05, 2018, 05:04:45 AM

People were thrown off a bit when st. Thomas came behind it. There was a fear of criticising him. People knew the truth, but were afraid to say it too loudly to avoid going against st. Thomas.

That's the more subtle reality of things, that globalists don't want to admit.

They prefer the curve ball and spin the sphere earth supports.

Jaynek · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2018, 01:03:41 PM »

happenby said:

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Copernicus re-introduced the spherical earth to the world.

No, he did not. It did not need to be re-introduced because all educated Catholics had already believed it for many hundreds of years.

Your entire argument rests on a false premise. During the middle ages, the period of the Church's greatest spiritual influence and secular power, virtually all the Catholics we have evidence for believed in a spherical earth.

Nobody thought they were choosing science over faith. Nobody thought there was a contradiction with Scripture. Everyone took for granted that this is what Catholics believed.

Jaynek · « **Reply #28 on:** June 05, 2018, 01:26:59 PM »

Quote from: hismajesty on June 05, 2018, 05:01:56 AM

You evidence for saying that it was taught universally is weak.

Especially against the quote which I know you have seen where Agreda was condemned BY ROME for part of her vision showing the earth as a globe.

...... in the 1600's

This is a misunderstanding of what happened. From Cardinal Hergenrother's account of the event:

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Some blamed the writer for having said that she saw the earth under the form of an egg, and that it was a globe slightly compressed at the two poles, all of which seemed worthy of censure.

They were not complaining about her saying she saw a globe (as opposed to a flat earth) but for saying that the earth was not a perfect sphere. Almost certainly every member of the council which condemned her believed that the earth is a globe.

Here is the thread in which I explain this in detail: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/pope-urban-viii-makes-condemnation-because-of-spherical-earth/msg603009/#msg603009

If globe earth was not taught universally, where is the evidence of anybody teaching anything else? We know what textbooks they used in their schools and these all taught globe earth.

Quote from: hismajesty on June 05, 2018, 05:04:45 AM

People were thrown off a bit when st. Thomas came behind it. There was a fear of criticising him. People knew the truth, but were afraid to say it too loudly to avoid going against st. Thomas.

That's the more subtle reality of things, that globalists don't want to admit.

Globe earth had already been generally accepted by Catholics for hundreds of years before St. Thomas. St. Bede taught it around 700 and St. Thomas lived in the 1200s. You have shown no sound evidence that anybody believed in flat earth after 700.

kiwiboy · « **Reply #29 on:** June 06, 2018, 08:04:55 AM »

Quote from: Jaynek on June 05, 2018, 01:26:59 PM

Globe earth had already been generally accepted by Catholics for hundreds of years before St. Thomas. St. Bede taught it around 700 and St. Thomas lived in the 1200s. You have shown no sound evidence that anybody believed in flat earth after 700.

Globe earth was around for even longer than the Church. It started with the occultist, Pythagoras.

Only St. Bede clearly believed the globe. It is reasonable to presume that people continued to accept the flat earth for a long time after the middle ages. Even if what you say is true.

This is the most reasonable position.

I think an objective observer will see you are trying to push this case and impose your view on the past. Despite the evidence.

Combined with the fact that you admit you do not look at the science, and people will see you are not objective about this.

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