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Re: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2018, 12:16:49 PM »
I agree, the Saints all discussed the shape of the earth in terms of science.  And some Saints did not think it was important.  Also agreed. But your last statement is only partially true.  Many slipped away from their concern for the subject, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.  Our conversation here, and that it appears to be tied to the apostasy and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr suggests there is more to know about this that does matter.    
Belief in spherical earth does not appear to be tied to apostasy and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  After St. Bede taught spherical earth around 700A.D. this became the consensus among educated Catholics.  This is the model that dominated Catholic thought throughout the middle ages.  You have not been able to find any Catholics who believed in flat earth during that time.

The middle ages is not known for its apostacy or the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  A more likely culprit is the so-called Reformation.  This introduced the ideas that developed into the so-called Enlightenment which is directly linked to virtually every intellectual evil of our time.

There is no evidence whatsoever that belief in spherical earth caused any of the problems you attribute to it.  As far as I can tell, the connection exists only in your imagination.  It has been well over an thousand years since any Catholic authority saw any sort of problem with globe earth, or thought that the shape of the earth was taught in Scripture, or thought that this issue mattered.

Re: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2018, 04:13:15 PM »
Belief in spherical earth does not appear to be tied to apostasy and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  After St. Bede taught spherical earth around 700A.D. this became the consensus among educated Catholics.  This is the model that dominated Catholic thought throughout the middle ages.  You have not been able to find any Catholics who believed in flat earth during that time.

The middle ages is not known for its apostacy or the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  A more likely culprit is the so-called Reformation.  This introduced the ideas that developed into the so-called Enlightenment which is directly linked to virtually every intellectual evil of our time.

There is no evidence whatsoever that belief in spherical earth caused any of the problems you attribute to it.  As far as I can tell, the connection exists only in your imagination.  It has been well over an thousand years since any Catholic authority saw any sort of problem with globe earth, or thought that the shape of the earth was taught in Scripture, or thought that this issue mattered.
It may not appear to be tied to apostasy and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, but the connections are myriad.  Quoted earlier in these threads is Karl Marx who praised Copernicus and the Copernican Revolution for providing the foundation for Communism, which is the forefather of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  How can that be if there is no connection? Albert Pike, Father of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and occultists has another zinger for us: ‘At the bottom of magic ... was science!’ (Solange Hertz, Beyond Politics, p. 81) This magic was fully realized when NASA and Disney faked the moon landing in order to portray earth as a globe.  This at the time of Communism, Freemasons and wars.

While many believe that Communism fell in the 80's, it is widely understood that it rose from the ashes to reorganize and become an even greater threat, perhaps more clandestine, but with the exact same principles. Communist/Freemasonic beliefs are the enemy of Our Lady who warned about them in 1917.  These warnings were preceded by the warnings of Our Lady of Good Success in the 1600's.  Elite powerbrokers and devil worshipers have been intent on recreating a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr religion.  They are murderers who want a world of Satan-worshiping slaves. The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr is dependent on the concept of a globe earth because the science of it is the foundation of relativism. The globe earth is accepted and promoted by modern science, in political circles, elite circles, Freemasonic circles, Communism circles, atheist circles, and is byproduct of naturalism.  No discussion regarding the accepted globe model is permitted or acknowledged, and anyone challenging it is derided as anti-science or stupid.  But, why?  Simply because earth has been proven to be a globe?  No.  It hasn't been proven.  It is forbidden because modern science cannot tolerate God. 

Naturalism is a philosophical viewpoint according to which everything arises strictly from natural properties and causes, and where supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted.  From naturalism we get the science of the moving globe, the Big Bang, millions year old earth, and the origins of man not to include God. This is the fundamental ground upon which the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr promotes other nightmares like false global warming, evolution, plurality of worlds, lies about the beginnings of life, end of life, and other false teachings that leave them in control.  Naturalism is spread under many names: Socialist/Fascist/Globalist/Communist.  Such agendas are the political fallout from false doctrines that exclude Scripture and the Church.  Purveyors of naturalism share two main teachings:

1.Dogma is the enemy of man because all truth is relative.
2. There is no such thing as a fixed moral objective.  

This isn't my teaching, it is fact.

Besides being promoted by the naturalistic atheists, the globe has become the poster child for their teachings. On TV, in classrooms, logos, science books, literally EVERYWHERE.  And yet is isn't even proven.  Even its principles are suspect: The globe has no beginning, no end.  Nothing is 'true' on a sphere. The sphere also does not reflect Scripture's description of earth, nor most of the Father's or saint's descriptions, and it has recently been proven to be at odds with math and true science.  The globe is found at odds with the Church yet well within the annals of the enemies of the Church throughout the centuries.  The science of the globe is consistently found in the science of elites and atheists who despise God. 

So, even if it has been with us a very long time, the globe has been promoted by the atheists consistently. 

Naturalism affects Catholic modern life.  Scientific relativism provides man with a moving foundation where nothing is true, nothing is on the level, and everything is relative.  All beautifully represented by the globe. The enemies of Christ turned earth and man upside down to make a platform for their false doctrines and morals.  Doctrines like: population control, euthanasia, abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, pedophilia, divorce and remarriage, feminism, and every lie with which the elite naturalists promote.  They did it with the slow and quiet persistence, cleverly basing it all with false science that was long ago accepted as true, and they used it as material support for their Godlessness and immorality and to supplant the accepted Scriptural words of God.  If you haven't read the Protocols of Zion, The Alta Vendita or the Plot Against the Church, it would be difficult for you to believe that generations of Christ-haters could carry on throughout the centuries to obtain such a long term goal.  But the proof is manifest.  And the globe earth is their doctrinal foundation for naturalism and relativism.      
Hugh of St. Victor (1096-1141) summed up the Christian/Catholic world view when he said, “The whole history of the world is organized around its two critical moments: Creation and the Incarnation.”   The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr global agenda firmly denies these Catholic doctrines while it quietly employs pseudo-science to dispute Godly truths in the name of science.  Pope Alexander VII is said to have despised the Copernican Doctrine because it denied the Incarnation.   And so it does!  The Copernican doctrine, also known as the Copernican REVOLUTION, is the the fundamental and scientific denial of all true doctrine.  The majority of Catholics are already familiar with the relativism and modernism destroying the Church.  They just haven't made the full connection to the science associated with it because the indoctrination by the demonic was mighty clever.  All this is predicted in Scripture, prophesied by St. Nilus and others.  The globe's involvement may seem new to you, but its been a tool of the Liar since the beginning.       


Re: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2018, 04:59:12 PM »
It may not appear to be tied to apostasy and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, but the connections are myriad.  Quoted earlier in these threads is Karl Marx who praised Copernicus and the Copernican Revolution for providing the foundation for Communism, which is the forefather of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  How can that be if there is no connection?

Because Copernicus did not introduce spherical earth to the Catholic world.  It had already been the consensus position of Catholics for over 800 years by the time of the Copernican Revolution.

Maybe you can make a case that heliocentrism is connected to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, naturalism, scientism, relativism and all these other evils, but Catholics had stopped believing in flat earth many centuries before Copernicus.

So, even if it has been with us a very long time, the globe has been promoted by the atheists consistently.  

And since 700AD, the globe has also been promoted by Catholics consistently.  St. Bede, St. Albert, St. Thomas, and the entire Church-run university system taught the globe.
Believing the earth is a globe is not one of the things that distinguishes Catholics and atheists. It is something we have had in common for a very long time.

Pope Alexander VII is said to have despised the Copernican Doctrine because it denied the Incarnation.   And so it does!  The Copernican doctrine, also known as the Copernican REVOLUTION, is the the fundamental and scientific denial of all true doctrine.  The majority of Catholics are already familiar with the relativism and modernism destroying the Church.  They just haven't made the full connection to the science associated with it because the indoctrination by the demonic was mighty clever.  All this is predicted in Scripture, prophesied by St. Nilus and others.  The globe's involvement may seem new to you, but its been a tool of the Liar since the beginning.        
Pope Alexander VII, like every other Catholic of his time, believed that the earth is a globe.  He despised the Copernican doctrine that the earth moves around the sun.

Globe earth has nothing to do with relativism or modernism or anything else you imagine. It is not involved at all.  At best, your arguments show a connection to heliocentrism.

Re: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2018, 08:29:07 PM »
Because Copernicus did not introduce spherical earth to the Catholic world.  It had already been the consensus position of Catholics for over 800 years by the time of the Copernican Revolution.

Copernicus re-introduced the spherical earth to the world.  It was somewhat accepted but that is because scientists of questionable beliefs pushed it as though it were the truth.  To this day, heliocentric models have been proven false even by modern scientists. 

Maybe you can make a case that heliocentrism is connected to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, naturalism, scientism, relativism and all these other evils, but Catholics had stopped believing in flat earth many centuries before Copernicus.

It's true that the spherical aspect is seemingly not as ominous as moving earth is, but it's definitely a part of the heliocentric model so hated by the Church Fathers and the Pope.  It is also well established by unbelieving science and promoted by those who are pagan.  It's also not proven by science except through indoctrination, certainly not by empirical proof.  Besides that, the sphere is the model that permits and even favors relativism, imprecision, being upside down, bringing chaotic notions of level and curve, up and down, and confusing things like direction.  It also clashes with Scriptural descriptions of earth and Church Fathers.    

And since 700AD, the globe has also been promoted by Catholics consistently.  St. Bede, St. Albert, St. Thomas, and the entire Church-run university system taught the globe.
Believing the earth is a globe is not one of the things that distinguishes Catholics and atheists. It is something we have had in common for a very long time.
Pope Alexander VII, like every other Catholic of his time, believed that the earth is a globe.  He despised the Copernican doctrine that the earth moves around the sun.

Globe earth was accepted by many unsuspecting, but it was also a problem for many because Scripture will not support the sphere.

Globe earth has nothing to do with relativism or modernism or anything else you imagine. It is not involved at all.  At best, your arguments show a connection to heliocentrism.

Relativism depends on the globe for chaos and imprecision.  It promotes evolution, the Big Bang and million years old earth.  NASA uses the moving globe model to lie to the world.  The globe pretends people walk upside down on opposite sides, that water sticks to the outside of a ball, has curved water surface, etc.  There is no reason to embrace the globe with all the strange associations to the pagan world where it is well-received. The same science that brings heliocentrism, brings the globe, and yet we are supposed to accept earth is spherical, just not moving?  Or spherical and moving?  Naturalism abhors doctrine and the heliocentric globe fits that perfectly.  Scripture alone is enough for me, but with all the other problems, and I've only listed a few, the globe remains a serious problem.  

If the globe is false, the entire world is in a bad way for having chosen science over Scripture.  If the globe is true, it certainly isn't flying around the universe, yet, the science that brings the masses the globe are moving the globe and proven liars for doing it.  What trust do we have for them?       


Re: Jaynek was right on St. Thomas
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2018, 05:01:56 AM »
Because Copernicus did not introduce spherical earth to the Catholic world.  It had already been the consensus position of Catholics for over 800 years by the time of the Copernican Revolution.

Maybe you can make a case that heliocentrism is connected to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, naturalism, scientism, relativism and all these other evils, but Catholics had stopped believing in flat earth many centuries before Copernicus.

And since 700AD, the globe has also been promoted by Catholics consistently.  St. Bede, St. Albert, St. Thomas, and the entire Church-run university system taught the globe.
Believing the earth is a globe is not one of the things that distinguishes Catholics and atheists. It is something we have had in common for a very long time.
Pope Alexander VII, like every other Catholic of his time, believed that the earth is a globe.  He despised the Copernican doctrine that the earth moves around the sun.

Globe earth has nothing to do with relativism or modernism or anything else you imagine. It is not involved at all.  At best, your arguments show a connection to heliocentrism.

You evidence for saying that it was taught universally is weak.

Especially against the quote which I know you have seen where Agreda was condemned BY ROME for part of her vision showing the earth as a globe.


...... in the 1600's