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Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2018, 04:04:08 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=532&v=4QBOwvP5XiM

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    Thank you for the video, obscurus. 
    I'll listen to it later, but for now, I'm disappointed with the poor sound quality.
    It sounds like he's in a trash can talking with the lid on.
    Why aren't important recordings made with reasonable attention to technical proficiency?
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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #2 on: June 17, 2018, 08:32:06 PM »
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    Thank you for the video, obscurus.
    I'll listen to it later, but for now, I'm disappointed with the poor sound quality.
    It sounds like he's in a trash can talking with the lid on.
    Why aren't important recordings made with reasonable attention to technical proficiency?
    Good point. 

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 06:45:47 AM »
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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 10:35:57 AM »
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  • Who's the intro speaker? 

    He gives a nice compliment: he says flat earthers are devout, highly intelligent Catholics.

    However, his entire reason for rejecting flat earth is not scientific nor Biblical. It is for simply this: he believes the Church would not have allowed iconography that shows earth is a "globe. "


    The problem is that he does not acknowledge that the icons represent God's entire Creation, not ONLY the earth alone.

    Sungenis is very disingenuous and is treating the subject with a large amount of scorn.


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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 10:45:48 AM »
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  • Who's the intro speaker?

    Found him:
    kolbecenter.org/speakers
    Seems odd to me that "Trad" Sungenis would align himself with a mainstream Novus Ordo organization like this:
    "Director of the John Paul II Institute of Christian Spirituality"
    Interesting to see Sungenis poll a Novus Ordo audience as to whether they have heard of flat earth and so many 


    say yes.

    Shows flat earth is a "problem" in the Novus Ordo right now. 

    I love it. They cannot stop the spread of the truth.

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #6 on: June 18, 2018, 10:51:37 AM »
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  • Sungenis is a horrible speaker.

    His constant repetition of the question "Ok?" is supremely annoying. Very poor form

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #7 on: June 18, 2018, 10:53:28 AM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=532&v=4QBOwvP5XiM
    I watched some of this video (it only gets so far and won't finish loading) and Mr. Sungenis' answers do not address a lot of questions.  He insists that we take Scripture literally to determine the sun moves, not the earth.  Yet, he says that Scriptural descriptions of flat earth are not to be taken literally.  What?  He also deters people from bothering to get answers describing the situation as a rabbit hole.  Ok, it's an in-depth discussion with many seeming contradictions, so what?  If truth is to be had, it has to be done and we don't just have to take Mr. Sungenis' word that earth is a sphere because his model has even more contradictions he won't address.  His explanations are not directed to the evidence, but to giving in to modern science that earth is a globe, but he doesn't think we should give in to modern science that earth is not moving.  How can he justify accepting from liars anything at all without going all the way down the rabbit hole?  Because he has a movie and a book dependent on his beliefs?  Sorry, there is more to know.  I wish I could have seen it all, but I've tried several times and allowed it time to load, but it won't for me.   


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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #8 on: June 18, 2018, 10:58:09 AM »
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    Conversely, flat‐earthers have never shown a photograph of a flat earth from space. We have never seen anything from flat‐earthers resembling the picture below. All their pictures of a flat‐earth are either drawn by hand or are computer generated graphics ሺCGIሻ. Of couse, flat‐earthers try to answer this by assering that all satellites and space probes are fake, which is completely absurd. (http://www.robertsungenis.com/gww/features/Flat%20Earth%20Geography.pdf)

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 11:23:45 AM »
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  • Found him:
    kolbecenter.org/speakers
    Seems odd to me that "Trad" Sungenis would align himself with a mainstream Novus Ordo organization like this:
    "Director of the John Paul II Institute of Christian Spirituality"
    Interesting to see Sungenis poll a Novus Ordo audience as to whether they have heard of flat earth and so many


    say yes.

    Shows flat earth is a "problem" in the Novus Ordo right now.

    I love it. They cannot stop the spread of the truth.
    How can anyone trust a questionable NO, Hugh Owen, who is the son of man who headed the global abortion agenda?   His bio starts like this: http://kolbecenter.org/speakers/
    Hugh Owen is the convert son of Sir David Owen, a former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations and Secretary General of International Planned Parenthood Federation.  Sungenis' alliances are often questionable.

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 11:41:05 AM »
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  • Sungenis says the Bible is very HARD to interpret and needs LOTS OF EDUCATION. 

    He has made the Bible into a secret gnostic instruction the uneducated cannot possibly understand. 


    He says you have to "get the idea of a hard firmament out of your head" in Genesis. Outrageous! The Hebrew and Latin are very clear. Sungenis is interpreting the Bible against the inspired writers!


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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #11 on: June 18, 2018, 11:43:20 AM »
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  • Globe earthers haven't shown any photos of earth either.  NASA admits they are photoshopped graphics.   The article by Sungenis in the link you provided is full of errors, some of which are refuted in this rebuttal. 

    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t103-critique-of-robert-sungenis-article-against-flat-earth

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #12 on: June 18, 2018, 11:45:33 AM »
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  • Obscurus:

    There are several photos of flat earth from space that do not originate with NASA.

    EXAMPLE:

    https://imgur.com/S6U01Pr

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #13 on: June 18, 2018, 11:46:29 AM »
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  • Sungenis says the Bible is very HARD to interpret and needs LOTS OF EDUCATION.

    He has made the Bible into a secret gnostic instruction the uneducated cannot possibly understand.


    He says you have to "get the idea of a hard firmament out of your head" in Genesis. Outrageous! The Hebrew and Latin are very clear. Sungenis is interpreting the Bible against the inspired writers!
    That's right.  Apparently, truth is not for the average joe, but the dictators.  Utter nonsense. 

    Scripture is both lofty and accessible, so this amounts to a deferral from Scripture by Sungenis because it is too much for people to bother with.  

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    Re: Issues Related to the Flat Earth Movement ~ Dr Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #14 on: June 18, 2018, 11:49:50 AM »
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  • Obscurus:

    Here's video of the flat earth: