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Offline Jaynek

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Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
« on: December 28, 2017, 12:04:33 PM »
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    • I have been wondering if the Flat Earth proponents here tended towards the same position on the Crisis.  Are they mostly R&R, SV, or any other position?  Or is there no correlation to any position?
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 02:52:48 PM »
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    • We know that Meg is an adrdent/dogmatic R&R.  That's probably what had Jaynek wondering.  Same question crossed my mind as well.

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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 03:28:39 PM »
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    • Is there a correlation between being an Indulter and a heliocentrist, Jaynek? 

    Or is the correlation between being an Indulter and a flibbertygibbet?
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 03:28:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 28, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
    We know that Meg is an adrdent/dogmatic R&R.  That's probably what had Jaynek wondering.  Same question crossed my mind as well.
    Actually, I think Jayne thought of it because another poster asked this question on another forum where she lurks.
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 03:35:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 28, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
    Is there a correlation between being an Indulter and a heliocentrist, Jaynek?

    Or is the correlation between being an Indulter and a flibbertygibbet?

    No need to be flippant.  She was curious if there was some pattern of thinking in common between them.  So, for instance, a dogmatic sedevacantist might be a geocentrist due to their perception that the ruling of the Holy Office against heliocentrism was infallible.
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 03:54:09 PM »
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    • She's not really curious. 
    She's asking under false pretenses to mock Catholic flat earthers at her other favorite hangout.
    Truth.
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 04:03:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 28, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
    She's not really curious.
    She's asking under false pretenses to mock Catholic flat earthers at her other favorite hangout.
    Truth.

    She's been mocking them HERE.  No "false pretenses".

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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 04:36:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 28, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
    We know that Meg is an adrdent/dogmatic R&R.  That's probably what had Jaynek wondering.  Same question crossed my mind as well.
    Quote from: 2Vermont on December 28, 2017, 03:28:59 PM
    Actually, I think Jayne thought of it because another poster asked this question on another forum where she lurks.

    You are both right.  I was already wondering about it because of Meg and when I saw the question asked elsewhere, I decided that I was curious enough to start a thread.
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 04:48:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 28, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
    She's not really curious.
    She's asking under false pretenses to mock Catholic flat earthers at her other favorite hangout.
    Truth.

    I wrote one post on SD in response to a question about Catholic beliefs about flat earth.  I expressed the exact same opinions there that I do here.  While I clearly have a negative view of the vocal flat earthers here, I question whether expressing a negative assessment is the same as mocking.

    People may judge for themselves.  I already copied the post in another thread where Smedley made this accusation, but for your convenience, I will do so again:

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    Was there a prominent theological opinion supported by the Bible that the Earth was flat?


    I recently had a debate with the Cathinfo Flatearthers  (perhaps half a dozen people - most there disagree with them) about the historical and theological aspects of the question. 

    The standard understanding is that many of the Church Fathers believed  in a flat earth but over time a consensus developed among Catholics that the earth is spherical. By the time universities began being established in the Medieval period, virtually everyone accepted the sphere shape and this is what was taught. It is generally recognized that St Thomas Aquinas and St Albert the Great believed the earth is a globe. 

    The Flatearthers I talked to denied the accepted view and claimed that flat earth is the Catholic position taught by Scripture and the Fathers and held until the Reformation introduced it's errors. 

    They seemed to think they were better Catholics for believing in flat earth and one even referred to belief in a globe earth as heresy. 

    They tried to prove their position by using quotes from Scripture and the Fathers. When shown a papal encyclical which explicitly stated that these should not be used to determine natural science, they still clung to their view that they were the ones holding the real Catholic position. 

    I do not know much about science but in the fields I do know about I could see that these people were wilfully ignorant and they rejected Church teaching on Scriptural exegesis. If anyone wishes to see the thread it is here - https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/did-catholics-before-the-'reformation'-believe-in-fe/msg581137/#msg581137
     
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #9 on: December 28, 2017, 04:51:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 28, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
    We know that Meg is an adrdent/dogmatic R&R.  That's probably what had Jaynek wondering.  Same question crossed my mind as well.

    Dogmatic R&R. You sedes are funny!

    :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #10 on: December 28, 2017, 04:55:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 28, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
    Dogmatic R&R. You sedes are funny!

    :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
    I am not a sede and that seems to me like a reasonable way to describe your position.  
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #11 on: December 28, 2017, 04:59:18 PM »
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    • Jayne,

    I'm pretty sure that this thread is supposed to go in the flat earth subforum. Maybe Matthew can move it. 
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #12 on: December 28, 2017, 05:13:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 28, 2017, 04:59:18 PM
    Jayne,

    I'm pretty sure that this thread is supposed to go in the flat earth subforum. Maybe Matthew can move it.
    Yes, that is where I intended to put it.  I did not notice that I had not until you just pointed it out.  I am sorry to be making more work for matthew and/or Mater.
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #13 on: December 28, 2017, 05:19:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 28, 2017, 04:55:15 PM
    I am not a sede and that seems to me like a reasonable way to describe your position.  
    Silly Jayne...don't you realize that anyone who isn't on board with Megism is a sede!?
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    Re: Is there a correlation between Flat Earth and position on the Crisis?
    « Reply #14 on: December 28, 2017, 08:00:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 28, 2017, 05:19:13 PM
    Silly Jayne...don't you realize that anyone who isn't on board with Megism is a sede!?
    Even Meg does not go so far as to call me a sede.  I do seem to have been promoted (?) to sede supporter, though.  I bet you never guessed that about me, did you?
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