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Offline kiwiboy

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Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2017, 04:09:59 PM »
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  • Before you continue whining like a spoiled brat, you need to be reminded that its YOU that has to answer questions, not demand answers.  The burden of proof weighs completely on your shoulders, not mine. You are the one challenging that which is accepted to be true by the unanimous consensus.


    You might save yourself a lot of unnecessary anxiety if you stop presuming that the case for the flat earth is not scientific, and that those who espouse it are stupid. The latter is a basic rule for civil discussion.

    Once you can do this, then I will say that in fact on the point you made, you are wrong. Very simple reasons:

    1. Because truth is above consensus ( I am sure you admit this in theory)

    2. Because the argument that the earth is round is based on a faulty premise. That there is curvature. We use scientific evidence to show this is not the case. Thus everything which is based on this presumption falls down like a house built on sand.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017


    Offline St Ignatius

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #61 on: September 18, 2017, 04:49:45 PM »
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  • 1. Because truth is above consensus ( I am sure you admit this in theory)
    Playing mind games? What's your point here?

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    2. Because the argument that the earth is round is based on a faulty premise. 
    Okay, could you please present to us a precise analysis of ALL fallacies contained within the said premise...

    *Refrain from abusing the Sacredness of passages of Holy Writ with careless and personal interpretations.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #62 on: September 18, 2017, 05:17:00 PM »
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  • God has revealed to us that the earth is flat; you need to convert.
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    Convert to what, Mohammadism? Flat-earthism is taught in the Koran, not in the Bible.
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    Where did you get that, from the Koran? You sound just like a Moslem.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #63 on: September 18, 2017, 05:18:21 PM »
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    Flat-earth is not scientific.
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    Flat-earthers are stupid.
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    « Reply #64 on: September 18, 2017, 06:15:25 PM »
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    Flat-earth is not scientific.
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    Flat-earthers are stupid.
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #65 on: September 18, 2017, 06:55:02 PM »
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  • Before you continue whining like a spoiled brat, you need to be reminded that its YOU that has to answer questions, not demand answers.  The burden of proof weighs completely on your shoulders, not mine. You are the one challenging that which is accepted to be true by the unanimous consensus.
    (emph. and layout via poster)

    "41. The authority of the learned in matters relating to their specialties demands our prudent assent.

    The authority of the savant in his peculiar domain, should be respected by the unlearned, since he who by the culture of his mind is fitted to apprehend a truth may impose it on him who could not of himself attain to its knowledge. But as the learned themselves are competent to examine the particular truths in question, they should judge the authority of other scientists by their own reason. Hence we may formulate the following three rules :
    1. The authority of scientists should be accepted so long as there is no reasonable ground to believe it false or to suspect it; it should be rejected, if it is known to be false ;
    2. Every scientist is a competent judge only in the science of which he is master;
    3. One scientist may accept the affirmations of another, when he cannot himself ascertain their truth or demonstrate their falsity;* yet he may reject them if the opposite arguments are of equal weight."
    * For a clear exposition of the harmony between the positive results of science and the truths of faith, consult Apologia de la Foi Chretienne."

    f/ "ELEMENTARY COURSE OF CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF The Best Scholastic Authors"  by L. de Poissy,  pp. 136-137  (P. O'Shea 1893)
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    Offline Tradplorable

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #66 on: September 18, 2017, 07:08:44 PM »
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  • "41. The authority of the learned in matters relating to their specialties demands our prudent assent.


    Luckily, one does not need to be "learned" to ascertain the shape of the earth. 
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    All one needs to do is go to the top of a building only a few stories tall, or a hill of some height, or ride in an airplane 6 miles up to see that there is no curvature whatsoever.

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #67 on: September 18, 2017, 07:11:45 PM »
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  • "41. The authority of the learned in matters relating to their specialties demands our prudent assent."
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #68 on: September 18, 2017, 07:15:50 PM »
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  • "41. The authority of the learned in matters relating to their specialties demands our prudent assent."
    I have authority based on the simple fact I have seen the Flat Earth Horizon many times. :)
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #69 on: September 18, 2017, 07:26:09 PM »
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  • "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #70 on: September 18, 2017, 07:38:05 PM »
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  • "41. The authority of the learned in matters relating to their specialties demands our prudent assent."
    Thanks for your input DZ...


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #71 on: September 18, 2017, 09:35:19 PM »
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    Convert to what, Mohammadism? Flat-earthism is taught in the Koran, not in the Bible.
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    Where did you get that, from the Koran? You sound just like a Moslem.
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    It's so easy to see when a post is effective because then two or more flat-earthers reply in a few minutes when previously they had ignored the thread for two or three days.
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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #72 on: September 19, 2017, 04:25:34 AM »
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    Flat-earth is not scientific.
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    Flat-earthers are stupid.
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    In a strange kind of way Neil, I have to thank you for sending so many people our way. Your uncharitable behavior is showing the true fruits of globalism, and getting many people to question the consensus.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #73 on: September 19, 2017, 05:16:12 AM »
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  • Playing mind games? What's your point here?
    Okay, could you please present to us a precise analysis of ALL fallacies contained within the said premise...

    *Refrain from abusing the Sacredness of passages of Holy Writ with careless and personal interpretations.


    Not playing any mind games. It is simple logic.

    Flat earth argument is based on science principally.

    There is no need to present the fallacies that follow as a result of saying the earth has curvature. It should be obvious. But I will do so anyway.

    The entire idea that there is a universe of stars billions of miles across is one error that follows. The notion that the earth goes around the sun is another. Gravity, with all its inconsistencies is another.

    Also we have all pseudo science relating to space travel. Satellites which float above us without baloon support is one more. This list goes on and on. I don't have time to write all of them. Sorry. Just start investigating the flat earth for yourself and and it will start falling into place.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #74 on: September 19, 2017, 01:29:56 PM »
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  • In a strange kind of way Neil, I have to thank you for sending so many people our way. Your uncharitable behavior is showing the true fruits of globalism, and getting many people to question the consensus.
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    You're welcome. It's so nice to be appreciated. With enemies like you, who needs friends?
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    Your example of charity and graciously good manners is a model for all flat-earthers to emulate.
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    And your ability to grasp simple concepts is nothing short of amazing.
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    Concepts like how a "flat-earth" moon above Australia, illuminated by a sun over Africa can be seen in Australia as a full moon:
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    The world owes you a debt of gratitude for being able to answer this simple question in your own simple way.
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