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Offline Truth is Eternal

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Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2017, 09:52:38 PM »
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  • Why don't you put a higher wattage light bulb in your dim-wit mind so that you may see the subject better. You're blinded by the darkness of your own perception of reality, as Neil pointed out earlier.

    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #31 on: September 16, 2017, 10:00:50 PM »
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  • And this has something to do with the distance between the earth and the sun? 


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #32 on: September 16, 2017, 11:08:49 PM »
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  • And this has something to do with the distance between the earth and the sun?
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    Here you go:
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    As of 2012, 1 AU = 149,597,870,700 meters exactly, regardless of whether we find the Earth’s semi-major axis is slightly different in the future.
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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #33 on: September 17, 2017, 01:32:34 AM »
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  • Interesting.  How close do you think the sun is, or may be?
    Oops.  I see that my question has been overlooked.

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #34 on: September 17, 2017, 10:30:03 AM »
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  • Oops.  I see that my question has been overlooked.
    It really wasn't overlooked because there is varying thought in the sun's distance and exactness is not possible for most flat earthers who try to avoid insisting on what they don't know. While I personally do not know the distance to the sun, it is a common thought for fe people, based on geometry, that the sun is approximately 3000 miles away as shown in the meme at the beginning of this thread. That the sun is small and relatively close to earth is a certainty, and the point here, because what modern science says is impossible, that earth is a sphere orbiting a 93,000,000 mile away sun.


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #35 on: September 17, 2017, 11:16:24 AM »
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  • It really wasn't overlooked because there is varying thought in the sun's distance and exactness is not possible for most flat earthers who try to avoid insisting on what they don't know. While I personally do not know the distance to the sun, it is a common thought for fe people, based on geometry, that the sun is approximately 3000 miles away as shown in the meme at the beginning of this thread. That the sun is small and relatively close to earth is a certainty, and the point here, because what modern science says is impossible, that earth is a sphere orbiting a 93,000,000 mile away sun.
    It would seem that if distance alone explained the aeronautical observations, the sun couldn't be more than 100 - 500 miles away, at most.  0.2%, though granted several times more than if the sun is 93M miles, is still too insignificant to explain the observations.  There must be other explanations.  I find it hard to believe that the sun is 93M miles away.  But that still doesn't convince me that the earth is flat.

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #36 on: September 17, 2017, 11:20:06 AM »
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  • It would seem that if distance alone explained the aeronautical observations, the sun couldn't be more than 100 - 500 miles away, at most.  0.2%, though granted several times more than if the sun is 93M miles, is still too insignificant to explain the observations.  There must be other explanations.  I find it hard to believe that the sun is 93M miles away.  But that still doesn't convince me that the earth is flat.
    I've seen various figures given in flat earth literature, e.g. 1,000 mi, 3,000 miles, even 300 miles.
    One thing I know for certain is the diameter of the moon: 70-100 miles.
    This is a FACT and can be observed scientifically from the solar eclipses.
    Shadows only lengthen, they do NOT increase is size (width).

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #37 on: September 17, 2017, 11:21:28 AM »
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  • Beginning with Aristarchus of Samos(310-230 B.C., approximately) came up with a clever method of finding the moon’s distance, by careful observation of a lunar eclipse, which happens when the earth shields the moon from the sun’s light.

    To better visualize a lunar eclipse, just imagine holding up a quarter (diameter one inch approximately) at the distance where it just blocks out the sun’s rays from one eye. Of course you shouldn’t try this---you’ll damage your eye! You can try it with the full moon, which happens to be the same apparent size in the sky as the sun. It turns out that the right distance is about nine feet away, or 108 inches. If the quarter is further away than that, it is not big enough to block out all the sunlight. If it is closer than 108 inches, it will totally block the sunlight from some small circular area, which gradually increases in size moving towards the quarter. Thus the part of space where the sunlight is totally blocked is conical, like a long slowly tapering ice cream cone, with the point 108 inches behind the quarter. Of course, this is surrounded by a fuzzier area, called the “penumbra”, where the sunlight is partially blocked. The fully shaded area is called the “umbra”. (This is Latin for shadow. Umbrella means little shadow in Italian.) If you tape a quarter to the end of a thin stick, and hold it in the sun appropriately, you can see these different shadow areas.

    Question: If you used a dime instead of a quarter, how far from your eye would you have to hold it to just block the full moonlight from that eye? How do the different distances relate to the relative sizes of the dime and the quarter? Draw a diagram showing the two conical shadows.

    Now imagine you’re out in space, some distance from the earth, looking at the earth’s shadow. (Of course, you could only really see it if you shot out a cloud of tiny particles and watched which of them glistened in the sunlight, and which were in the dark.) Clearly, the earth’s shadow must be conical, just like that from the quarter. And it must also be similar to the quarter’s in the technical sense---it must be 108 earth diameters long! That is because the point of the cone is the furthest point at which the earth can block all the sunlight, and the ratio of that distance to the diameter is determined by the angular size of the sun being blocked. This means the cone is 108 earth diameters long, the far point 864,000 miles from earth.



    1. Now, if you use the same logic for measuring the distance of the Moon's shadow (during Solar eclipses), then we reckon like this:

    3475 km  (diameter of the Moon) * 108 =375 300 km (maximum distance for seeing Moon's shadow)

    405 696 (apogee-distance) - 21 296 = 384 400
    363 104 (perigee-distance) - 21 296 = 384 400

    384 400 = alleged average distance to the Moon

    384 400 > 375 300

    The question: If the average distance to the Moon is a larger number than the maximum distance for seeing Moon's shadow, how can we see the Moon's shadow, at all?


    2. Perigee/Apogee vs Perihelion/Aphelion :

    A) 405 696 (apogee-distance) - 363 104 (perigee-distance) = 42 592 km

    152 097 700 (aphelion-distance) - 147 098 070 (perihelion-distance) = 4 999 630 km

    4 999 630 - 42 592 = 117,38





    B)
     
        33' 30'' (angular diameter of the Moon at Perigee) - 29' 26'' (angular diameter of the Moon at Apogee) = 4,04

        32' 42'' (angular diameter of the Sun at Perihelion) - 31' 36'' (angular diameter of the Sun at Aphelion) = 1,06

    The question: Even though the difference between distances Aphelion-Perihelion is117,38 times greater than the difference between distances Apogee-Perigee, the difference between angular diameters of the Sun is 4 times smaller than the difference between angular diameters of the Moon! HOW COME?
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    Your entire post is heliocentric hogwash.


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #38 on: September 17, 2017, 11:48:54 AM »
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    Your entire post is heliocentric hogwash.
    Hahahahahahahahahaha....
    You took the bait! Notice I didn't provide a source? Thought it would be fun to just go over to one of your beloved sites, flatearth society, and do some cut and pasting... heehee 

    P.S. I noticed over there in the comment sections, there's some rather bright posters who give you flat-headers a run for your money. Wish I had more time, it's rather entertaining. 

    Offline Truth is Eternal

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #39 on: September 17, 2017, 12:38:43 PM »
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  • Hahahahahahahahahaha....
    You took the bait! Notice I didn't provide a source? Thought it would be fun to just go over to one of your beloved sites, flatearth society, and do some cut and pasting... heehee

    P.S. I noticed over there in the comment sections, there's some rather bright posters who give you flat-headers a run for your money. Wish I had more time, it's rather entertaining.

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #40 on: September 17, 2017, 05:14:19 PM »
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  • Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
    What do you base this supposed finding on?  Present the data.


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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #41 on: September 17, 2017, 05:17:15 PM »
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  • Hahahahahahahahahaha....
    You took the bait! Notice I didn't provide a source? Thought it would be fun to just go over to one of your beloved sites, flatearth society, and do some cut and pasting... heehee

    P.S. I noticed over there in the comment sections, there's some rather bright posters who give you flat-headers a run for your money. Wish I had more time, it's rather entertaining.
    The flat earth society website (the original one, anyway) has many, many resources of HC and globe earth materials.

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #42 on: September 17, 2017, 05:24:49 PM »
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  • Hahahahahahahahahaha....
    You took the bait! Notice I didn't provide a source? Thought it would be fun to just go over to one of your beloved sites, flatearth society, and do some cut and pasting... heehee

    P.S. I noticed over there in the comment sections, there's some rather bright posters who give you flat-headers a run for your money. Wish I had more time, it's rather entertaining.
    P.S. It's a debate thread. There's much debate even on the flat earth society website, about the shape of earth. Your post was from a globalist defending the globe.
    https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62793.0

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    Re: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope.
    « Reply #44 on: September 17, 2017, 05:30:41 PM »
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  • Hahahahahahahahahaha....
    You took the bait! Notice I didn't provide a source? Thought it would be fun to just go over to one of your beloved sites, flatearth society, and do some cut and pasting... heehee

    P.S. I noticed over there in the comment sections, there's some rather bright posters who give you flat-headers a run for your money. Wish I had more time, it's rather entertaining.
    Here's your heliocentric source material:
    http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/gkastr1.pdf