Author Topic: Is the Sun 93,000,000 mi away? Nope. (Read 6807 times)

St Ignatius · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on September 16, 2017, 01:15:17 PM

So why don't you give us an estimate of the correct distance and size of the Sun... you won't, because a first grader with elementary knowledge of physics would shred you. You wouldn't be able to explain the energy emitted by the sun 24/7/365 for at least 6,000 years.

OHCA · « **Reply #16 on:** September 16, 2017, 06:00:58 PM »

Quote from: Tradplorable on September 16, 2017, 03:43:07 PM

I can extrapolate.
I fly frequently in the years since I became a flat earther. I always ride in a windowseat now for this reason.
On midday flights, you can take great photos of the sun at zenith (midpoint, or "high noon") when you fly under it. The sun appears bigger at zenith from your aircraft vantage point than it does at zenith from on the ground.
Think about that for a minute.
If average cruising altitude is 36,000 feet (6.8 miles) why does the sun look bigger, if you are only a little over six miles closer?
Because it's not that far away!
If the sun was 93 MILLION miles away, being 6.8 miles closer is NOT going to change its appearance.
But, it does, so that means it is much, much closer than 93M miles.

Interesting. How close do you think the sun is, or may be?

St Ignatius · « **Reply #17 on:** September 16, 2017, 08:05:19 PM »

The Atlantic

Visualizing How Much Energy the Sun Shines Onto Earth: A Thought Experiment
Imagine Niagara Falls. Now multiply it, again and again and again.

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Imagine Niagara Falls. Now multiply it, again and again and again.

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Every day the sun beats down on the Earth, its energy literally making life possible. How much energy? A flow of 120,000 terawatts, which is, as science writer Oliver Morton puts it, "10,000 times the amount that flows through our industrial civilisation - all the world's reactors, turbines, cars, furnaces, boilers, generators and so on put together." Still can't quite picture what that amounts to? Morton has written a stunning little thought experiment to help. Here's how it goes:

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Picture Horseshoe Falls, the most familiar, forceful and dramatic cataract in Niagara Falls, in full spate.
Now increase the height of the falls by a factor of 20; a kilometre of falling water, a cascade higher even than Angel Falls in Venezuela.
Now increase the flow by a factor of 10. Instead of 30 tonnes of water falling over each metre of the lip of the falls every second, allow 300 tonnes of water per metre.
Finally, widen the falls. Stretch them until they span a continent, with billions of tonnes of water falling over them every second. And don't stop there. Go on widening them until they stretch all around the equator: a kilometre-high wall of water thundering down incessantly, cutting the world in half, deafening leviathan in the abyss.
That is what 120,000 terawatts looks like. That is what drives the world in which you live.

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So awesome. It's little wonder that Wikipedia's list of solar deities runs so long.
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So if the sun is only a few thousand miles away, how could something so apparently small produce so much energy?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #18 on:** September 16, 2017, 08:13:12 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on September 16, 2017, 08:05:19 PM

So if the sun is only a few thousand miles away, how could something so apparently small produce so much energy?

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They forgot to mention that all this energy (120,000 terawatts) is what light power falls on the earth alone.
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The sun radiates energy in all directions, so the vast majority of it goes out into space (flat-earthers deny space exists) and does not fall on the earth at all.
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St Ignatius · « **Reply #19 on:** September 16, 2017, 08:17:17 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on September 16, 2017, 08:13:12 PM

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They forgot to mention that all this energy (120,000 terawatts) is what light power falls on the earth alone.
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The sun radiates energy in all directions, so the vast majority of it goes out into space (flat-earthers deny space exists) and does not fall on the earth at all.
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You're absolutely correct... I'm just trying to shine some perspective on the subject.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #20 on:** September 16, 2017, 08:29:12 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on September 16, 2017, 08:17:17 PM

You're absolutely correct... I'm just trying to shine some perspective on the subject.

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Thank you.
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Flat-earthers are attempting to re-define words, like "perspective," so as to make assertions about reality that otherwise wouldn't be there, because it's the reality in their mind they're talking about, not objective reality. To them, "perspective" refers to subjective reality, otherwise known as fantasy.
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But in the modern school of Kant, Dewey, Locke, Nietzsche and others, reality is in the mind -- so you don't have to recognize the facts that can be observed.
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Flat-earthers proclaim to be followers of ancient cosmology while they adhere dogmatically to Modernists, even without knowing it. But that's one of the earmarks of Modernism, that you can be infected without being aware of your own corruption.
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Mithrandylan · « **Reply #21 on:** September 16, 2017, 08:58:49 PM »

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #22 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:16:20 PM »

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If Dr. Zack can do it, anyone can.
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St Ignatius · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:31:40 PM »

Beginning with Aristarchus of Samos(310-230 B.C., approximately) came up with a clever method of finding the moon’s distance, by careful observation of a lunar eclipse, which happens when the earth shields the moon from the sun’s light.

To better visualize a lunar eclipse, just imagine holding up a quarter (diameter one inch approximately) at the distance where it just blocks out the sun’s rays from one eye. Of course you shouldn’t try this---you’ll damage your eye! You can try it with the full moon, which happens to be the same apparent size in the sky as the sun. It turns out that the right distance is about nine feet away, or 108 inches. If the quarter is further away than that, it is not big enough to block out all the sunlight. If it is closer than 108 inches, it will totally block the sunlight from some small circular area, which gradually increases in size moving towards the quarter. Thus the part of space where the sunlight is totally blocked is conical, like a long slowly tapering ice cream cone, with the point 108 inches behind the quarter. Of course, this is surrounded by a fuzzier area, called the “penumbra”, where the sunlight is partially blocked. The fully shaded area is called the “umbra”. (This is Latin for shadow. Umbrella means little shadow in Italian.) If you tape a quarter to the end of a thin stick, and hold it in the sun appropriately, you can see these different shadow areas.

Question: If you used a dime instead of a quarter, how far from your eye would you have to hold it to just block the full moonlight from that eye? How do the different distances relate to the relative sizes of the dime and the quarter? Draw a diagram showing the two conical shadows.

Now imagine you’re out in space, some distance from the earth, looking at the earth’s shadow. (Of course, you could only really see it if you shot out a cloud of tiny particles and watched which of them glistened in the sunlight, and which were in the dark.) Clearly, the earth’s shadow must be conical, just like that from the quarter. And it must also be similar to the quarter’s in the technical sense---it must be 108 earth diameters long! That is because the point of the cone is the furthest point at which the earth can block all the sunlight, and the ratio of that distance to the diameter is determined by the angular size of the sun being blocked. This means the cone is 108 earth diameters long, the far point 864,000 miles from earth.

1. Now, if you use the same logic for measuring the distance of the Moon's shadow (during Solar eclipses), then we reckon like this:

3475 km (diameter of the Moon) * 108 =375 300 km (maximum distance for seeing Moon's shadow)

405 696 (apogee-distance) - 21 296 = 384 400
363 104 (perigee-distance) - 21 296 = 384 400

384 400 = alleged average distance to the Moon

384 400 > 375 300

The question: If the average distance to the Moon is a larger number than the maximum distance for seeing Moon's shadow, how can we see the Moon's shadow, at all?

2. Perigee/Apogee vs Perihelion/Aphelion :

A) 405 696 (apogee-distance) - 363 104 (perigee-distance) = 42 592 km

152 097 700 (aphelion-distance) - 147 098 070 (perihelion-distance) = 4 999 630 km

4 999 630 - 42 592 = 117,38

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33' 30'' (angular diameter of the Moon at Perigee) - 29' 26'' (angular diameter of the Moon at Apogee) = 4,04

32' 42'' (angular diameter of the Sun at Perihelion) - 31' 36'' (angular diameter of the Sun at Aphelion) = 1,06

The question: Even though the difference between distances Aphelion-Perihelion is117,38 times greater than the difference between distances Apogee-Perigee, the difference between angular diameters of the Sun is 4 times smaller than the difference between angular diameters of the Moon! HOW COME?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:36:24 PM »

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This video is made by a very patient and careful teacher, using very simple methods.
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Well done!
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St Ignatius · « **Reply #25 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:37:32 PM »

Could somebody show these poor flat- earthers the exit from Seahaven now...

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #26 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:39:11 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on September 16, 2017, 08:17:17 PM

You're absolutely correct... I'm just trying to shine some perspective on the subject.

You can't shine any light on the subject when you are trying to force the sun into being further away from the Flat Earth than it actually is.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #27 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:41:21 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on September 16, 2017, 04:41:45 PM

Who would have guessed the globe earthers' are sleeping once again. :P Keep up everybody; we are

prevailing.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #28 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:44:26 PM »

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This video demonstrates a method used by the ancient Greeks to determine the distance to the sun, a good activity for any astronomy class.

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Of course, this presumes "any astronomy class" has students who are actually willing to observe reality as it exists, take measurements, and then learn from what they've found.
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Flat-earthers would flunk such a class because they would have a priori opposition to every step along the way.
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They might even be expelled from the class because they would prevent the other students from learning the truths provided by observation and reasoning.
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St Ignatius · « **Reply #29 on:** September 16, 2017, 09:46:53 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on September 16, 2017, 09:39:11 PM

You can't shine any light on the subject when you are trying to force the sun into being further away from the Flat Earth than it actually is.

Why don't you put a higher wattage light bulb in your dim-wit mind so that you may see the subject better. You're blinded by the darkness of your own perception of reality, as Neil pointed out earlier.

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