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Re: Is the Ptolemaic System Correct?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2022, 08:36:40 AM »
 I certainly no longer believe that "space" is even a thing, at least not so far as it expands for billions upon billions of "light years", as God revealed that there were "waters above" not a void with massive stars and planets expanding forever.

‘For which cause there sprung even from one (and him as good as dead) as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.’--- Douay Rheims, Epistle of St Paul to the Hebrews, 11:12.

Now who would like to venture a guess at the number of grains of sand in a teacup let alone by the sea shore? Such a contrast teaches us the omnipotence of God by star numbers and indeed by the space needed to accommodate these created bodies; as such numbers would need a universe of immeasurable distances for so many. In his book City of God (Vol. 1, Ch.23), St Augustine, 1200 years before Galileo’s sightings, addressed this very question:

‘But as for their numbers, who sees not that the sands do far exceed the stars? Herein you may say they are not comparable in that they are both innumerable. For we cannot think that one can see all the stars, but the more earnestly he beholds them the more he sees: so that we may well suppose that there are some that deceive the sharpest eyes, besides those that arise in other horizons out of sight.’

Starlight and Time

Beginning with Einstein’s whacky Special Theory of Relativity, Genesis time entered the mad house of modern cosmological theoretical space-time. Once the speed of light was found to be finite, not infinite, this fact was then used to date the universe as billions of years old. Using the assumption that there was a Big Bang, then if stars are measured at millions to 13.5 billion light years away from the Earth, then, they claim, the universe has to be 13.5 billion years old. Einstein and others took the theory further. In his relativist universe, space and time are interchangeable. The further we look out at stars in space, the further back we are looking back in time. Einstein was a Wellsian time-traveller, or, as it was said, “All time is eternally present.” But as T.S. Eliot put it, ‘If all time is eternally present - all time is unredeemable.’         
   If, however, the light from the sun, moon and stars, no matter their distances from Earth, those that we can see every day with the naked eye and through telescopes, were made visible on Earth to Adam on the sixth day of Creation as revealed in Genesis, then no such delayed billions of years of star-time exists or ever existed for mankind. In other words, God created the universe with one time-zone overall, a 24-hour Earth-universe time zone.

Finally Space exists, but it is finite. The only proof of this is the geocenteric order for only a FINITE universe can turn in 24 hours.


Re: Is the Ptolemaic System Correct?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2022, 03:52:17 PM »
Correct. Two things about this illustration that must be known. The orbits are not circles as Tycho thought, but Cassinian ovals. Moreover, the earth, sun, planets system illustrated above should be confined to the light blue circle in the middle.
I'm not sure why they would be... I think it just shows the sun's orbit around earth.


Re: Is the Ptolemaic System Correct?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2022, 08:21:09 PM »
The only geocentric system that's still congruent with our observations is based on the tychonic system (from Tycho Brahe, 16th century).

‘For which cause there sprung even from one (and him as good as dead) as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.’--- Douay Rheims, Epistle of St Paul to the Hebrews, 11:12.

Now who would like to venture a guess at the number of grains of sand in a teacup let alone by the sea shore? Such a contrast teaches us the omnipotence of God by star numbers and indeed by the space needed to accommodate these created bodies; as such numbers would need a universe of immeasurable distances for so many. In his book City of God (Vol. 1, Ch.23), St Augustine, 1200 years before Galileo’s sightings, addressed this very question:

‘But as for their numbers, who sees not that the sands do far exceed the stars? Herein you may say they are not comparable in that they are both innumerable. For we cannot think that one can see all the stars, but the more earnestly he beholds them the more he sees: so that we may well suppose that there are some that deceive the sharpest eyes, besides those that arise in other horizons out of sight.’

Starlight and Time

Beginning with Einstein’s whacky Special Theory of Relativity, Genesis time entered the mad house of modern cosmological theoretical space-time. Once the speed of light was found to be finite, not infinite, this fact was then used to date the universe as billions of years old. Using the assumption that there was a Big Bang, then if stars are measured at millions to 13.5 billion light years away from the Earth, then, they claim, the universe has to be 13.5 billion years old. Einstein and others took the theory further. In his relativist universe, space and time are interchangeable. The further we look out at stars in space, the further back we are looking back in time. Einstein was a Wellsian time-traveller, or, as it was said, “All time is eternally present.” But as T.S. Eliot put it, ‘If all time is eternally present - all time is unredeemable.’         
  If, however, the light from the sun, moon and stars, no matter their distances from Earth, those that we can see every day with the naked eye and through telescopes, were made visible on Earth to Adam on the sixth day of Creation as revealed in Genesis, then no such delayed billions of years of star-time exists or ever existed for mankind. In other words, God created the universe with one time-zone overall, a 24-hour Earth-universe time zone.

Finally Space exists, but it is finite. The only proof of this is the geocenteric order for only a FINITE universe can turn in 24 hours.



Fascinating! Thanks for sharing! 

Though I'm not as invested personally in the issues surrounding the earth and space as I am in the subjects of evolution and dinosaurs, they're ultimately important scientific issues one should look into to learn the truth about these things and not be fooled by establishment "science".

Re: Is the Ptolemaic System Correct?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2022, 09:26:56 PM »
I always forget about Brahe for some reason. :facepalm:

Re: Is the Ptolemaic System Correct?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2022, 09:00:34 AM »
Moreover, the earth, sun, planets system illustrated above should be confined to the light blue circle in the middle.


I'm not sure why they would be... I think it just shows the sun's orbit around earth.

The only reason Dankward I say the solar system orbiting around a fixed Earth should be illustrated as in the light blue bit of Tycho's illustration is to emphasise the size of the universe as compared to the Earth-solar system. It looks too big in Tycho universe..