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Offline trad123

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Is that you Judith?
« on: July 16, 2022, 11:48:29 PM »
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  • 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2022, 07:10:59 AM »
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  • While it's not unheard of for people to have doppelgangers, the odds of the doppelganger having the same name and being the exact same age (law professor lists her year of birth to be the same as the Challenger "astronaut") are much smaller, but the kicker is that 6 of the 7 have been located, all of whom have the same last name and are the same age, most of whom either have the same first name or else shifted to using their middle names (in one case the opposite, "Sharon Christa McAuliffe", used to go by "Christa" and is now using her actual first name, "Sharon McAuliffe").  2 of the ones who have been found claim to be "identical twins" of the Challenger ones ... but no record has ever been found of these identical twins existing before the Challenger incident.  What are the odds of 2 out of 7 astronauts having identical twins?  What are the odds of 6 or 7 having doppelgangers of the same age, with the same last name, in some cases also same first name, in other cases shifting to middle name from first or first from middle?

    What what be interesting to find out is whether this was a planned or an unplanned deception.  Were "astronauts" GENERALLY never actually on board the space shuttle and then when this one blew up (unintentionally), there was an "oops!  what do we do about the astronauts who are still down here?" ... or whether the astronauts were not on board just for this mission and they planned to blow it up.  It is interesting that, due to the "teacher in space" thing with this mission, many school children were watching the mission live on TV when the explosion happened.  Many people can remember "where they were" when this happened, and it does create a strong psychological impression to watch a space shuttle blow up that allegedly has astronauts on board.

    It's stuff like this, and evidence of one deception after another by NASA, that makes a lot of flat earthers simply dismiss any evidence that comes from NASA.  It's one hoax after another.  Hundreds of videos of obvious hoaxing of ISS footage.  If they have astronauts on ISS, why hoax the video footage?  Obvious hoaxes of "Mars rover" footage have been exposed, where some landscape scenes are IDENTICAL to places on earth (Greenland or Devon Island) ... not look similar, but are identical, including every rock being the same size and shape and in the exact same place, the only difference being a reddish tint imposed on the "Mars" image.

    I was actually working for NASA at Mission Control in Houston when the Columbia explosion took place, so this leaves me wondering whether that one was also a hoax.


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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #2 on: July 18, 2022, 07:06:01 PM »
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  • I bet people have been convicted with only a 0.0001% of the amount of evidence you can find to support flat earth.

    Too many coincidences for it to be a mere fairy tale.

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #3 on: July 19, 2022, 08:24:19 AM »
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  • Great video.

    I bet people have been convicted with only a 0.0001% of the amount of evidence you can find to support flat earth.

    Too many coincidences for it to be a mere fairy tale.

    I fail to draw the connection from "NASA faked the moon landing and Challenger mission" to "the Earth is flat".

    Yes, the Earth is immovable in the center of the universe, see the excellent study by John Daly attached. What you will notice is that in the entirety of the proceedings against Galileo nothing is said about the shape of the Earth. Nothing.

    Could you point me to a study that demonstrates we are obliged to believe in a flat earth?

    I've seen many scientific proofs from both sides that seem equally devastating but I ultimately can't verify either. The globe model seems to have a much stronger case from what I've seen.
    The Anatarctica BS is where the flat earth argument falls apart the quickest. cօռspιʀαcιҽs like these are sure to be discovered at some point with incontrovertible evidence like the moon landing was.

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2022, 09:10:02 AM »
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  • I fail to draw the connection from "NASA faked the moon landing and Challenger mission" to "the Earth is flat".
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    The Anatarctica BS is where the flat earth argument falls apart the quickest. cօռspιʀαcιҽs like these are sure to be discovered at some point with incontrovertible evidence like the moon landing was.

    Separate tangential thoughts.  It only relates since most of the "evidence" for a globe earth comes from NASA ... which clearly cannot be trusted.

    There's nothing about Antarctica that militates against Flat Earth.  It's very clear that they're hiding SOMEthing down there.  Indeed, a verified/verifiable circuм-aviation of Antarctica would overturn the currently-prevailing Flat Earth model, but there are a lot of things about Antarctica that favor it.

    Videos alleging to show the "midnight sun" in Antarctica have been clearly exposed as frauds also .. with edited footage and then identical scenes repeated at the end that were there at the beginning.  Why has the footage been deceptively edited if in fact there's a true midnight sun in Antarctica?


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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2022, 06:08:49 PM »
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  • Could you point me to a study that demonstrates we are obliged to believe in a flat earth?

    I've seen many scientific proofs from both sides that seem equally devastating but I ultimately can't verify either. The globe model seems to have a much stronger case from what I've seen.
    You're not. It's just what some postulate given some of the evidence and the lies of NASA. I lean more FE in the sense that we may live on a flat plane within a spherical globe, like a globus cruciger. But I'm also zany enough to disbelieve "outer space"; I believe Scripture is correct in that there is a solid Firmament above us with waters above that and that the stars are sonoluminescent phenomena. The earth we live in, is the universe itself. There is only Heaven, Earth, and Hell. Scripture also makes several statements that kind of go against GE as well (see meme below)

    It's all fun to speculate and investigate, as we should know what we're living on, but, it has very little to do with one's salvation.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 10:06:31 PM »
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  • You're not. It's just what some postulate given some of the evidence and the lies of NASA. I lean more FE in the sense that we may live on a flat plane within a spherical globe, like a globus cruciger. But I'm also zany enough to disbelieve "outer space"; I believe Scripture is correct in that there is a solid Firmament above us with waters above that and that the stars are sonoluminescent phenomena. The earth we live in, is the universe itself. There is only Heaven, Earth, and Hell. Scripture also makes several statements that kind of go against GE as well (see meme below)

    It's all fun to speculate and investigate, as we should know what we're living on, but, it has very little to do with one's salvation.
    The following video does a good job showing what I'm talking about with "sonoluminescent phenomena" in reference to stars

    https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer/view/star-pilled-603202c6d45c04ee7780df3a
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2022, 10:39:35 PM »
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  • The following video does a good job showing what I'm talking about with "sonoluminescent phenomena" in reference to stars

    https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer/view/star-pilled-603202c6d45c04ee7780df3a

    Very interesting video.

    I am sorry to go off topic, but what a great song. I didn't know that the Alan Parsons Project was that good.


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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2022, 08:18:02 AM »
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  • But I'm also zany enough to disbelieve "outer space"; I believe Scripture is correct in that there is a solid Firmament above us with waters above that and that the stars are sonoluminescent phenomena. The earth we live in, is the universe itself. There is only Heaven, Earth, and Hell. Scripture also makes several statements that kind of go against GE as well (see meme below)
    Have you thought about the fact that in a vacuum you float and that maybe the word "waters" was used for lack of a better term, yet it describes the properties of space well?
    Such as you can't breathe in it and float in it.

    I'm unsure about the truth myself and I currently believe it is impossible for people to go to space be it because of a radiation barrier or a physical barrier, currently leaning towards an invisible barrier and that space is real.

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #9 on: July 20, 2022, 08:28:52 AM »
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  • Have you thought about the fact that in a vacuum you float and that maybe the word "waters" was used for lack of a better term, yet it describes the properties of space well?
    Such as you can't breathe in it and float in it.

    I'm unsure about the truth myself and I currently believe it is impossible for people to go to space be it because of a radiation barrier or a physical barrier, currently leaning towards an invisible barrier and that space is real.
    The problem here is that when you have a vacuum next to a pressurized system (such as our atmosphere), the gas in that pressurized system will move to fill that vacuum unless there is a physical barrier between the two (like a Firmament). Modern science proposes the retarded idea that gravity is strong enough to keep everything, including gases and liquids, affixed to the surface of a ball and prevent it from being instantly pulled into the vacuum; but not strong enough to prevent a helium balloon from defying it. Now, if there's a matter of not gravity, but density and buoyancy, then what we see practically makes more sense as the lighter objects are displaced by the heavier materials.

    Therefore, if "space" is an actual thing, then it is most certainly NOT a vacuum, but is filled with an even lighter material, such as ether, which explains how light and heat and other forms of energy are transferred through this supposed vacuum.

    Quick video on the problem with the space "vacuum" - 3 mins
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/g6yl8mD3RGhG/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #10 on: July 20, 2022, 01:51:17 PM »
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  • The problem here is that when you have a vacuum next to a pressurized system (such as our atmosphere), the gas in that pressurized system will move to fill that vacuum unless there is a physical barrier between the two (like a Firmament). Modern science proposes the retarded idea that gravity is strong enough to keep everything, including gases and liquids, affixed to the surface of a ball and prevent it from being instantly pulled into the vacuum; but not strong enough to prevent a helium balloon from defying it. Now, if there's a matter of not gravity, but density and buoyancy, then what we see practically makes more sense as the lighter objects are displaced by the heavier materials.

    Therefore, if "space" is an actual thing, then it is most certainly NOT a vacuum, but is filled with an even lighter material, such as ether, which explains how light and heat and other forms of energy are transferred through this supposed vacuum.

    Quick video on the problem with the space "vacuum" - 3 mins
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/g6yl8mD3RGhG/

    Indeed, the problem of the earth's atmosphere being adjacent to the near-infinite vacuum of space (or so we are told) was for me one of the final nails in the coffin of the official narrative about the earth being a ball floating through space (well, rocketing through space at something like 1.3 million miles per hour ... while we feel nothing).

    Another incredibly compelling argument for at least a stationary earth is where someone pointed out that if we're revolving around the sun while rotating, depending on whether you're rotating away from or rotating toward the revolution of the earth, there would be an overall change of acceleration ... which would be clearly felt on earth.  Globers claim that we don't feel the motion of the earth because it's at a consistent speed, causing there to be no change of acceleration which would be required to sense the motion.  But that is clearly untrue when you consider that the earth would (in their model) be revolving around the sun, but then depending on the time of day and where you're at, you'd be rotating in the direction of the revolution or else rotating away from it.

    Also, for stationary earth, you have Michelson Morley AND Airy's "Failure" ... a term applied to dismiss the results, but Airy proved quite conclusively that the stars move relative to the earth and not the earth relative to the stars.


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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #11 on: July 20, 2022, 02:00:48 PM »
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  • The problem here is that when you have a vacuum next to a pressurized system (such as our atmosphere), the gas in that pressurized system will move to fill that vacuum unless there is a physical barrier between the two (like a Firmament). Modern science proposes the retarded idea that gravity is strong enough to keep everything, including gases and liquids, affixed to the surface of a ball and prevent it from being instantly pulled into the vacuum; but not strong enough to prevent a helium balloon from defying it. Now, if there's a matter of not gravity, but density and buoyancy, then what we see practically makes more sense as the lighter objects are displaced by the heavier materials.

    Therefore, if "space" is an actual thing, then it is most certainly NOT a vacuum, but is filled with an even lighter material, such as ether, which explains how light and heat and other forms of energy are transferred through this supposed vacuum.

    Quick video on the problem with the space "vacuum" - 3 mins
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/g6yl8mD3RGhG/
    This topic has already been covered not long ago. A vacuum can't exert force. It cannot give what it does not have. Air has force in the form of heat, which causes particles to vibrate and collide with each other. We know for a fact, or can easily prove by experiment, that an increase in temperature increases the force in air marked by an increase in pressure in a contained volume. We know gravity exists, it is also a force. Gravity can attract air to the source of the gravity, but a vacuum can't attract air away. Only the pressure of the air caused by its temperature can force the air away from the source of gravity. In doing this, it gives our atmosphere the thickness it has.

    Imagine a crowd of tightly packed people. If they all extended their arms to push each other away, the crowd would expand in size by a finite amount governed by the length of people's arms. There is also a limit to how far the air molecules can push each other away. Without gravity and in a vacuum, they would push each other away initially and keep flying apart. With gravity, there is now an imbalance of force such that the air can still push away, but the majority will tend toward occupying the space near the source of gravity. Air pushed away at the edge of space will be drawn back by gravity until it eventually collides with more air to get kicked away again. There will be a decrease of air density farther away from the ground because gravity weakens (as far as I know) the farther something is from the source, and there is no barrier trapping the air from escaping some distance, and with all of the air being pulled by gravity, the air near the ground also feels the weight of the air above it.

    As for helium, it is a much lighter weight atom than air molecules and even the individual atoms that form them.

    I don't think space needs to be filled with ether for energy to flow through it, but at the same time I am open to such a theory. Perhaps this so called ether is like a place holder on the smallest size of anything that can exist, and maybe it holds a minimal dimensional value to appear nonexistent until matter or energy crosses that point. Like a resolution of the universe as if it was made of pixels, but perhaps not limited to just 3 dimensions, but more including gravity, time, or others.
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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #12 on: July 20, 2022, 02:10:46 PM »
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  • Indeed, the problem of the earth's atmosphere being adjacent to the near-infinite vacuum of space (or so we are told) was for me one of the final nails in the coffin of the official narrative about the earth being a ball floating through space (well, rocketing through space at something like 1.3 million miles per hour ... while we feel nothing).

    Another incredibly compelling argument for at least a stationary earth is where someone pointed out that if we're revolving around the sun while rotating, depending on whether you're rotating away from or rotating toward the revolution of the earth, there would be an overall change of acceleration ... which would be clearly felt on earth.  Globers claim that we don't feel the motion of the earth because it's at a consistent speed, causing there to be no change of acceleration which would be required to sense the motion.  But that is clearly untrue when you consider that the earth would (in their model) be revolving around the sun, but then depending on the time of day and where you're at, you'd be rotating in the direction of the revolution or else rotating away from it.

    Also, for stationary earth, you have Michelson Morley AND Airy's "Failure" ... a term applied to dismiss the results, but Airy proved quite conclusively that the stars move relative to the earth and not the earth relative to the stars.
    You see the effect of going from atmosphere to vacuum when watching videos of rockets entering space. It can be seen both from the onboard cameras, and at night from the ground. The rocket exhaust changes suddenly from a narrow stream to a very wide spray.
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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #13 on: July 20, 2022, 03:52:09 PM »
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  • We know gravity exists, it is also a force
    Literally all modern scientists disagree with that and claim the Einsteinian theory that gravity is the warping of "space-time."
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is that you Judith?
    « Reply #14 on: July 20, 2022, 03:56:00 PM »
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  • You see the effect of going from atmosphere to vacuum when watching videos of rockets entering space. It can be seen both from the onboard cameras, and at night from the ground. The rocket exhaust changes suddenly from a narrow stream to a very wide spray.

    That doesn't even come close to addressing the issue.  And, no, that's not vacuum but thinning of the atmosphere.