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Offline Tradman

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Did the heliocentric mindset of people influence the change in the liturgy?  
If so, diabolical disorientation takes on a new depth of meaning.   

This quote from Ratzinger draws an interesting connection between the liturgical changes of Vatican II and a certain loss of awareness regarding cosmic orientation. Turning altars (and Mass) from facing "East", and facing the people would amount to nothing.  If earth is a ball, facing East is not really a thing, because direction is relative. Why would anyone object?  And along with the broad acceptance of "everything's relative", since Jesus is everywhere (relatively speaking) there's no need to face the cross or worry about outdated notions of rigidity, just face the people and celebrate a wonderful meal with the cross in mind.  

I'm not certain that Ratzinger knew about the evils of heliocentrism, but he tended to speak and write subtly, so it's possible these are bread crumbs for those who are aware.  If not, what does he mean by "awareness of the liturgy's cosmic orientation" was lost?     


From
The Complete Works of Ratzinger


pg 390  

Since the 19th century not only has the awareness of the liturgy's cosmic orientation been lost, but there was also little understanding of the significance of the image of the cross as a point of reference for the Christian liturgy. This misunderstanding alone could explain the sweeping triumph of the new celebration facing the people, a change that had taken place with an amazing unanimity and speed without any mandate and perhaps for that very reason, all this would be inconceivable if it had not been preceded by a prior loss of meaning from within. 





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  • My understanding was that "facing East" was because of the rising sun, which represented the glorious Resurrection of Christ. And also that, given your orientation in the world, facing East would mean to face Jerusalem and the Holy Hill where Christ was crucified.

    East is still East on a globe, because that is the direction from whence the sun comes as the earth "rotates".

    I do agree that the destruction of a Christian cosmology after the Renaissance was one of the major errors that led to the state of the Church today.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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  • My understanding was that "facing East" was because of the rising sun, which represented the glorious Resurrection of Christ. And also that, given your orientation in the world, facing East would mean to face Jerusalem and the Holy Hill where Christ was crucified.

    East is still East on a globe, because that is the direction from whence the sun comes as the earth "rotates".

    I do agree that the destruction of a Christian cosmology after the Renaissance was one of the major errors that led to the state of the Church today.

    I concur.