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Offline BRCatholic

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« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2015, 08:29:10 AM »
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  • The gurus of your "teacher' here:



    This is common knowledge, as your picture shows the cross is not enough for you ...
    Knight of Columbus, Knight of Malta or DeMolay ? hmm... I digress.

    Go trick your pairs, it doesn't work with me.

    Go deal with the Lord Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son.

    As I said beyond pathetic.

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    « Reply #76 on: July 10, 2015, 08:48:05 AM »
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  • Give us your explanation as mine is unworthy, as I'm not illuminated uahuah

    Michael Hoffman endorses that man went to the moon too, that is enough to distance myself from the lunatic, literally lol. I'm probably the worst advertiser ever then. I guess Wolfgang Smith was involved in NASA too no ? With the re-entry problem uahuah

    "Wolfgang Smith graduated at age 18 from Cornell University with a B.A. in mathematics, physics, and philosophy. Two years later he took an M.S. in theoretical physics at Purdue University, following which he joined the aerodynamics group at Bell Aircraft Corporation. He was the first to investigate the effect of a foreign gas on aerodynamic heating, and his papers on the effect of diffusion fields provided the key to the solution of the re-entry problem for space flight. After receiving a Ph.D. in mathematics from Columbia University, Dr. Smith held professorial positions at M.I.T., U.C.L.A., and Oregon State University till his retirement in 1992. He has published extensively on mathematical topics relating to algebraic and differential topology.

    From the start, however, Smith has evinced a dominant interest in metaphysics and theology. Early in life he acquired a taste for Plato and the Neoplatonists, and sojourned in India to gain acquaintance with the Vedantic tradition. Later he devoted himself to the study of theology, and began his career as a Catholic metaphysical author. Besides contributing numerous articles to scholarly journals, Dr. Smith has authored three books: Cosmos and Transcendence (1984), Teilhardism and the New Religion (1988), and The Quantum Enigma (1995)."

    http://www.innerexplorations.com/philtext/an.htm

    Accuse them of what you do ?

    Enough said.

    P.S. I don't endorse everything said in the video.


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    « Reply #77 on: July 10, 2015, 08:58:28 AM »
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  • Hey BRCatholic, what do you mean about Chesterton leaving clues?

    Also, what's your problem with Neoplatonism? (I'm interested in Neoplatonism but have not studied it).

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    « Reply #78 on: July 10, 2015, 09:08:04 AM »
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    You are gnostic, Wolfgang Smith was associated with Rene Guenon.

    Enough said go research.


    BTNYC even remotely gnostic?  Not on your life.  

    BRCatholic, many good people on this forum are very knowledgeable in the Faith (and other areas of study).  You'll come to know them if you are patient and humble, open to the Holy Ghost speaking to you through your brothers, some who have a more curt style of correction.  Vice versa, I might add.

    Following up on the Proverbs verse that BTNYC quoted, what else does Holy Scripture say, in particular, regarding our brothers in the Faith?  
    This is just a fraction:

    Be at peace with one another.  
    Forgive one another.
    Seek good for one another, and don't repay evil for evil.  
    Through love, serve one another.  
    Regard one another as more important than yourselves.  
    Clothe yourselves with humility toward one another.  
    Speak truth to one another.  
    Encourage and build up one another.
    Pray for one another.

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    For all the law is fulfilled in one word: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if you bite and devour one another; take heed you be not consumed one of another.
      Galatians 5:14,15

    If only trads could get their egos out of the way.  I'm convinced the heart of our division is summed up in this part of the verse:
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    Pride goeth before destruction...





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    « Reply #79 on: July 10, 2015, 10:24:07 AM »
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  • A DEFENCE OF PLANETS by G.K Chesterton
    Link:
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12245/12245-h/12245-h.htm

    Platonists, in general, put themselves in the place of God. Neo-Platonists do it for sure auhau

    And they are without excuse, because one thing is for Plato, a pagan to do it. Another is a Christian to do it.
    But Plato has some worthy things, it's not that I regard him as a moron as I do regarding Neo-Platonism uahauh

    That is my problem with it.

    I think any new development need to follow the path of St. Thomas.
    I see that what people did with it is very wrong, and platonists have a point in it. But it is just like saying Protestants have a point in some things they say about the Catholic hierarchy.
    They grasp just the extent that God allows us to be punished by infidelity, NOTHING more.

    For example, EENS and the sacraments as miracles (or magic as some people say) these are valid criticism. And I completely agree with it. I just don't credit that to Thomism. As St. Thomas says, the both systems are basically the same with a different perspective.

    In my opinion Aristotle's system has everything Plato has, but the opposite is not true. Because Platonism doesn't accept errors, and Aristotelian though does. For instance if you are wrong about something you don't have to throw away everything.

    The case of the Tabula Rasa for example. Plato believed in innatism and Aristotle in the Tabula Rasa.
    But look at the sodomites nowadays, how does that surge is explained in an innate scenario. On other hand how do you explain some great talents like some people have. In sports it's easy to see that.

    As St. Thomas elaborated on it, we are all born to be Saints potentially. Nonetheless some are predestined to be more than that, as scriptures says. Thanks to the distinction between nature and grace, given by Saint Augustine we can put the two together. So then we have a problem solved. Using "both" methods.

    I don't regard St. Thomas as a Aristotelian or St Augustine as Platonist (neither him btw).
    In my view that is the problem, when in fact what people conjecture as Platonism and Aristotelism is the standard way we think but we do it in a confused manner, Plato and Aristotle have great merits in systematizing it because they were rooted more or less in reality.

    That is what I think, sorry if it is confused, I have a problem in writing down in these dialog boxes. Also English is not my native language.


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    « Reply #80 on: July 10, 2015, 02:57:24 PM »
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    The gurus of your "teacher' here:



    This is common knowledge, as your picture shows the cross is not enough for you ...
    Knight of Columbus, Knight of Malta or DeMolay ? hmm... I digress.

    Go trick your pairs, it doesn't work with me.

    Go deal with the Lord Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son.

    As I said beyond pathetic.


    One hardly knows how to tackle such gobbledygook.

    I'm the "gnostic?" Well what the hell is this "uahuah" you keep intoning? Sounds to me like a gnostic emanation or sphere or aeon or some such gibberish. But if it has some specific meaning, please do enlighten us - that redounds to my point about clear communication.

    "Go deal with?" What kind of Catholic talks like that? Sounds like Protestant "personal Lord and Savior" jargon to me. I "Deal with" Our Lord in prayer and the Sacraments. This is yet another way you remind me of Hoffman the Crypto-Protestant.

    I can't speak on what Professor Smith did in his youth... The man is 85 years old now; his youth, needless to say, is long, long past - plenty of time for him to have confessed any youthful dalliances with eastern pagan nonsense, if indeed he had such dalliances. I certainly hope no one will publicly hold me accountable for my youthful sins (which are many) when I'm an octogenarian. What I do know is that he wrote the definitive work of orthodox Catholic dismantling of Teilhard de Chardin, one of the most pernicious heretics of the 20th Century (and that's saying something). What have you done for Holy Mother Church lately... other than subtly cast aspersions on at least two sainted popes for the "crime" of having been elected in the Sistine Chapel... and not being flat-earthers, of course?

    What's "beyond pathetic" is your Jack Chick-like superficiality and superstition, which has led you (conveniently) to flee from the Fata Morgana phenomenon (due to its having been named for a fictional character from Arthurian legendry.... and you claim to be a Chesterton fan?) instead of addressing this veritable Elephant in the Room for the Flat-Earth lot... and which has led you to attempt to smear me because of my use of a Maltese Cross as my avatar.

    Well, if you'd like to know the Cabbalistic, Occult reason for my use of that symbol... here it is....

    Wait for it....

    It's because I'm of Maltese heritage, genju.

    You say that English is not your first language. Well, your nigh-incomprehensible posts certainly serve to attest to that. In any case, this is, as you are aware, an English-language forum. If your grasp of English is so tenuous that you're unable to make yourself understood here, perhaps you'd do well to show a modicuм of due humility and bow out of here before you end up doing more harm to your cause than you've already done.

    The Traditional Cosmology taught by Holy Mother Church for most of Her two-millennia-long life has been one based on a spherical earth, at rest, in the center of the universe. That is good enough for me, and God knows it should be good enough for any Catholic worthy of the name.

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    « Reply #81 on: July 10, 2015, 05:33:29 PM »
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  • As I said whatever.

    About Fata Morgana I asked what you meant specifically other than that is reflection and refraction, as I said common knowledge.
    What part didn't you understand ?

    I don't believe in fairies sorry for that. Just demons.

    Do you believe that man went to the moon ? Please tell me because I'm avoiding talking to lunatics.

    Well for my knowledge Jesus will judge everybody so who will you deal with it ?
    Or you don't believe in hell like your masters ?
    What is protestant about that ? You won't deal with me as this is my last response.

    About the Sistine Chapel, well tell me genius, what would you tell for a nudist that tells you to don't watch pornography, to cover your body,  to do not read some books because of immodest language,  etc ?

    As I said go trick your pairs I don't presume your innocence, I'm reading this blog for a while now. I subscribed to end with the pretenders like you.

    All what these people do is to ape the Greeks, there is nothing new under the sun.

    I don't have a cause, I'm waiting for my death and I hope going to heaven. I'm not a mason lol.

    OHH Wolfgang would you tell me if your job about re-entry problem for space flights  was a job for the masons deceive the whole world in believing that the world is a Globe and our narrative ?

    You seems really upset for my nigh-incomprehensible posts.

    PS. Although it's round and we say it's oval, now pear shaped lol

    Beyond, beyond pathetic.

     :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic:

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    « Reply #82 on: July 10, 2015, 06:00:00 PM »
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  • Ah well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, but I should have saved my breath.

    Thank you for the "Hide" option, Matthew.  


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    « Reply #83 on: July 10, 2015, 07:08:31 PM »
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  • "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.
    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it."

     :farmer: :boxer: :heretic: :laugh1:

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    « Reply #84 on: July 10, 2015, 08:27:37 PM »
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  • BR, what's your main language?

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    « Reply #85 on: July 10, 2015, 09:26:15 PM »
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    « Reply #86 on: July 10, 2015, 09:47:59 PM »
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    Ah well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, but I should have saved my breath.

    Thank you for the "Hide" option, Matthew.  


    Is hide the same as being on ignore?

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    « Reply #87 on: July 11, 2015, 12:55:42 AM »
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    As I said whatever.

    About Fata Morgana I asked what you meant specifically other than that is reflection and refraction, as I said common knowledge.
    What part didn't you understand ?

    I don't believe in fairies sorry for that. Just demons.



    Well, some naive men who witnessed the phenomenon in days of old attributed them to fairies. And, as you rightly say, there are no fairies, though there are demons. However, demons are not the authors of Nature, nor of our faculties with which we perceive nature - that would be Almighty God. And a Fata Morgana, despite its name, is a natural phenomenon.

    As to what I mean by it "specifically," I covered that above:

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    The mechanics are simple - super heated strata of air causes an extreme refraction of light such that it is bent at a greater degree than the curvature of the earth, making very distant objects visible when the curvature of the earth would ordinarily obscure them.

    It's a simple, common phenomenon; its mechanics easily explicable. The fact that you lot have nothing to offer to explain it is far more deadly to your theory than any of you admit.


    It's a natural phenomenon whose mechanics are explicable only by accepting the curvature of the earth as a given. Flat-earthers seem to have no alternate explanation for it (except perhaps for blaming it on demons). That looks bad for the Flat Earth Theory. Am I being specific enough?

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    Do you believe that man went to the moon ? Please tell me because I'm avoiding talking to lunatics.



    I believe the moon landings were a masonic hoax. I credit my Grandmother (God rest her soul), who never believed in the moon landings, with planting the seed in me for that realization, even when all the rest of the world demanded that I believe in it.

    I don't find it impossible that simple earth orbit of satellites and manned vehicles has been achieved. It was for projects like that - not the fictitious moon landings - that Professor Smith's published findings were (for better or worse) applied.

    And I like the play on words there about "lunatics." Nice touch. Are you sure English isn't your first language?

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    Well for my knowledge Jesus will judge everybody so who will you deal with it ?
    Or you don't believe in hell like your masters ?
    What is protestant about that ?


    That's right - Our Lord will Judge me... and you. All of us.

    "Who will I deal with it?" I presume you mean "how?" Well, that's between me and Our Lord, isn't it? Only Our Lord has perfect knowledge of my intentions, my interior dispositions and other such subjective knowledge (including whether He or someone else is my Master) about which you - like every other creature - are both wholly ignorant and incompetent to judge.

    What's Protestant about it? Well, engaging in rash, subjective, and usurpative judgments is certainly not Catholic. You claim to be a Thomist, no? Can you not make simple distinctions between objective and subjective judgments?

    In any case, how I will deal with my impending Judgment is by remaining in a state of Sanctifying Grace, which comes through the Sacraments. Hopefully, that's how you're dealing with yours, because, BRother, there's no hope otherwise.

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    About the Sistine Chapel, well tell me genius, what would you tell for a nudist that tells you to don't watch pornography, to cover your body,  to do not read some books because of immodest language,  etc ?



    To quote you from earlier in the thread, "if you think something... tell explicitly. Let your yes, be yes and your no, be no." What are you implying in the above about the popes elected in that chapel - including St. Pius V and St. Pius X? That they were hypocrites? Complicit in pornography? What? "Tell explicitly."

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    As I said go trick your pairs  


    Yes, you certainly did say that. And I honestly have no idea what it means. I tried googling the phrase and literally the one and only result was this thread, so that wasn't much help.

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    I don't presume your innocence


    Well, at least you're honest about being bad-willed.

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    I don't have a cause



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    I subscribed to end with the pretenders like you.



    These two quotes strike me as contradictory.

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    I'm not a mason lol.



    No, you're not a mason lol, you're a white knight lol, fighting for his cause lol to end pretenders like me lol.

    Oh, but wait, that's right, you "don't have a cause."

    Well, as you're so fond of saying: "Whatever."

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    You seems really upset for my nigh-incomprehensible posts.



    No, I'm not "upset," but it's funny how you imply that struggling through nigh-incomprehensible posts is supposed to be an easy or pleasant task. It's not, for the record.

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    PS. Although it's round and we say it's oval, now pear shaped lol



    Oh, is that what you meant by "trick your pairs?" Was it another play on words? Twice in one post? A bit too ambitious, perhaps.

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    Beyond, beyond pathetic.



    Yes, it is "beyond, beyond pathetic" (even bordering on "beyond, beyond, beyond pathetic") that any Catholic would reject the Traditional Catholic cosmological model of a spherical earth in favor of his own pet intellectual obsession.

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     :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic:


    Yep, when liberal use of "lol" and "whatever" just aren't cutting the mustard, one can always rely on emoticons to ensure one's writings come across like those of a fourteen-year-old girl.

    Way to go out on a high note.

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    « Reply #88 on: July 11, 2015, 12:58:35 AM »
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    "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.
    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it."

     :farmer: :boxer: :heretic: :laugh1:


    Sacred Scripture and emoticons. They go together about as well as fine wine and kool-aid.

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    « Reply #89 on: July 11, 2015, 04:06:44 PM »
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  • Read again all your question are answered in the previous posts.

    Luna = moon

    Yeah, It has a lot of double meaning, I'm not puritan nor marxist. I like to make jokes.

    I don't have a cause in defending something like the ball earth that is what I meant, read again.

    You never denied being a mason or part of a secret society..why is that ?

    pairs = people like you, consult your dictionary next time.

    You posses a Liberal mind for understanding the meaning of lol ... Neo-Platonists, why can't you accept reality ? I imagine that you regard St. Francis as a sort of anomaly for your perfect world hmm...
    I just answer my Lord and his loyal representatives I won't conform to your man-made world.

    I'm not Thomism just because I'm not philosopher. But I use his teachings regarding reality. I believe ideas precede will so I don't regard people as animals, sorry for that.
    As I said Christianity is different from both systems, is reality, and I'm a Christian not Aristotelian or Platonist.

    For instance St Thomas says that theology is the highest form of though and the others are subordinate to it. I see that as a reality, and not as something that regards just the Catholic faith. For example if there is no hell then it's okay to do whatever I want, mason style, like promoting sodomites, women as equals to men. See in the picture that I sent how Eve is muscular, why is that ?
    Ohh but the pope at that time was too naive to see it, right ? How the platonic world is beautiful.

    You don't need curved earth for illusions to happen. Get glass of water and put a fork in it. There you have an illusion, but as I said when one sense fails you can use another, in this case touch to check it out to see if there is a curve there. Tell me the results after that.

    Now explain for us, how can I see something 40 miles (or more) away and see a flat horizon thousands miles up? How does lighthouses work? And how is it possible for antipodes to exist ?

    I can explain, scientifically (by evidence) speaking all those things in a flat earth. Can you do it without invent something magic, like, gravity ? Can you provide evidence ?
    I guess not, it has been 400 years of waiting and there is nothing new under the sun  :laugh1:. As I said the burden of proof is yours.

    I think, using the doctrine of the Fathers, the Medicis are at best material heretics, I believe that because usury is a mortal sin and they practiced for all I know, hurt lots of people and never made restitution. So they don't appear repented.
    But it's not my job to declare it so,and using another doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ, by their fruit you shall know them, the Sistine chapel talks by itself.

    These and other popes I would have to study about it and worst than that it would be to know if the information available is correct, so it's impossible for me to assert that. That's why I trust the Holy Spirit to act in due time, and I don't enter in fruitless conversations.

    You said about using "liberal" language, what about using a symbol, very suspicious and common among the heretics by the way, a little odd perhaps?

    And talking about heretics what to say about a "teacher" in a liberal university, with a very very odd "flat-earther" by the way, who supposedly regretted of being a hindu, associated with satellites (that cannot take 1 single picture of the Earth) and space-flight  and associated with the worst kind of people in the world ?

    He just don't know I'm sure just like the Medicis didn't.

    And if there is a re-entry it's related to human space travels or weapons, there is no other uses for it duhh, you are living too much inside your Platonic world. Take a breath outside of it sometimes.

    Burn heretics, burn!
     :heretic: