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Title: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Matthew on August 24, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
I literally can't find this video on Youtube, even though I'm searching for it directly. I can't even find Dave's main channel! I have attached it to this post. Logged in users will see it below. 17 MB.

How did I get the video? I have a script that pulls down the latest videos from certain channels, it's like being subscribed. Only I don't get a bunch of new content flashed in my face (to ultimately waste my time).

I am embarrassed for anyone who believes this Indian "moon landing" was real. Give me a break!

As I watched this nonsense, a quote forced itself into my head. Indeed, for those who consent to this blatant lie, the curse of Dalrymple will come upon them:


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"within an established totalitarian regime the purpose of propaganda is not to persuade, much less to inform, but rather to humiliate. From this point of view, propaganda should not approximate to the truth as closely as possible: on the contrary, it should do as much violence to it as possible. For by endlessly asserting what is patently untrue, by making such untruth ubiquitous and unavoidable, and finally by insisting that everyone publicly acquiesce in it, the regime displays its power and reduces individuals to nullities."
"Apart from the massacres, deaths and famines for which communism was responsible, the worst thing about the system was the official lying: that is to say the lying in which everyone was forced to take part, by repetition, by assent or failure to contradict. I came to the conclusion that the purpose of propaganda in communist countries was not to persuade, much less to inform, but to humiliate and emasculate. In this sense, the less true it was, the less it corresponded in any way to reality, the better; the more it contradicted the experience of the persons to whom it was directed, the more docile, self-despising for their failure to protest, and impotent they became."
- "The Wilder Shores of Marx" by Theodore Dalrymple

Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: SeanJohnson on August 24, 2023, 11:03:46 AM
:laugh2::laugh1:

Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: St Giles on August 24, 2023, 11:55:28 AM
That quote reminds me of the Biden & Obama administration with how they do extremely stupid things and tell us how good it is. Like how Biden is ruining the economy, but tells everyone things are getting better for them.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Ladislaus on August 24, 2023, 11:55:33 AM
JewTube makes it difficult to find Dave's material, but here are some links.

https://www.youtube.com/c/DITRH/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@flatearthclock/videos

https://www.theflatearthpodcast.com/ (click on Must-See videos)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClWTBNGnjXEZOtEwEp9BGTg



Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Ladislaus on August 24, 2023, 11:57:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5HJP7cohvc
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Ladislaus on August 24, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
I just can't believe that India would present this stuff as if it were real, so I have to think they're not.

Among other things, what's filming this thing?  Secondly, it's so bad that a third grader could do better.

So, my major point is that we're really supposed to believe that the same minds that produced the cartoon simulation could successfully land something on the moon?

And, for me, the same minds that have produced some of the worst software I've ever had the misfortune of seeing.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: St Giles on August 24, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
In all fairness, my assumption of what was seen is a simulation of the progress of the mission, though it's completely unnecessary to have a visual representation. For all we know, they did land something on the moon, which could be now a small crater of wreckage. I don't think any news station will try to pass off the footage as real, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Marulus Fidelis on August 24, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
It's a "visualization of the lander module"

https://youtu.be/92sDjg8OGhg?feature=shared&t=68

FE Dave jumped the gun...
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Matthew on August 24, 2023, 01:27:56 PM
It's a "visualization of the lander module"

https://youtu.be/92sDjg8OGhg?feature=shared&t=68

FE Dave jumped the gun...

Ok, I'll bite --

Why not show SOMETHING REAL -- I don't know, an image taken by the lander, etc.? Why not take pictures of the moon as they approach it?
And you know, back in the day, they used to include disclaimers on-screen when they were broadcasting something non-real. "Dramatization", "Artist's Visualization", "Artist's Concept". Anyone remember that?

This kind of cheesy 1950's quality special effects just makes the WHOLE OPERATION even more suspect. They UNIRONICALLY put this forward without any embarrassment -- so we have to be embarrassed for them.

If they were sarcastic/ironic about it, some would have given them a pass. But when someone is sincere, but embarrassing, THAT is the stuff cringe is made of.

Even if this turns out to be "on purpose fake footage", the shoddiness shows how incompetent they are, and the idea they were able to land a craft on the Moon is a huge joke.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: St Giles on August 24, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
Ok, I'll bite --

Why not show SOMETHING REAL -- I don't know, an image taken by the lander, etc.? Why not take pictures of the moon as they approach it?
Yeah, that would make a lot more sense. You'd think they would have several camera angles with today's small camera technology that would require minimal resources.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Tradman on August 24, 2023, 02:10:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/35oH6Q6.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Matthew on August 24, 2023, 02:29:11 PM
If Apollo 13, with 1960's technology, could have live footage beamed back from the Moon, you'd think this Indian craft (orbiter, craft, lander, or all of the above!) would have a raspberry pi or something that could take some photos and beam back a few hundred KB from the Moon to Earth so we could have picture(s).

:trollface:

What kind of bandwidth was required for that full motion video capture in the 70's? And they had to do that with technology from that era!
And it's not just the bandwidth. We could be patient today, getting something NOT realtime. That full motion video back in the Apollo days was supposedly REAL TIME, which is obviously more difficult to achieve than "send/receive it at a slower rate, and get it whenever".

I mean, come on! It's 2023. I know Apollo 13 was more expensive, but you know what's happened with computer technology during the past 54 years.

You'll have to pardon me, but MY brain doesn't shut off.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Marulus Fidelis on August 24, 2023, 02:43:36 PM
Ok, I'll bite --

Why not show SOMETHING REAL -- I don't know, an image taken by the lander, etc.? Why not take pictures of the moon as they approach it?
And you know, back in the day, they used to include disclaimers on-screen when they were broadcasting something non-real. "Dramatization", "Artist's Visualization", "Artist's Concept". Anyone remember that?

This kind of cheesy 1950's quality special effects just makes the WHOLE OPERATION even more suspect. They UNIRONICALLY put this forward without any embarrassment -- so we have to be embarrassed for them.

If they were sarcastic/ironic about it, some would have given them a pass. But when someone is sincere, but embarrassing, THAT is the stuff cringe is made of.

Even if this turns out to be "on purpose fake footage", the shoddiness shows how incompetent they are, and the idea they were able to land a craft on the Moon is a huge joke.
I agree that they didn't land anything on the Moon, obviously. I also agree it's highly suspicious that they don't show real footage.

However, FE Dave was wrong in saying this cartoon is passed off as actual live footage.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Ladislaus on August 24, 2023, 06:34:37 PM
It's a "visualization of the lander module"

https://youtu.be/92sDjg8OGhg?feature=shared&t=68

FE Dave jumped the gun...

Yeah, I figured that, but my point is that it's SO BAD (third grader could do better) that we're supposed to believe that the organization that came up with such a quality simulation could actually put anything on the moon?
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Ladislaus on August 24, 2023, 06:36:22 PM
I mean, come on! It's 2023. I know Apollo 13 was more expensive, but you know what's happened with computer technology during the past 54 years.

Yeah, an iPhone 6 (I believe they're on like 13 or 14 now) had 120,000,000 times the processing power than what the Apollo 11 "computers" had.
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Put simply, the iPhone 6's clock is 32,600 times faster than the best Apollo era computers and could perform instructions 120,000,000 times faster. You wouldn't be wrong in saying an iPhone could be used to guide 120,000,000 Apollo-era spacecraft to the moon, all at the same time.

Except you would be wrong, because the Apollo 11 computers didn't guide anything anywhere.
Title: Re: Indian Moon Landing - Painfully Fake
Post by: Cera on August 24, 2023, 07:02:56 PM
Maybe India was punking the U.S.