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Which of These 2 Poll Options Would You Choose if Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell?

The Earth is Flat.
4 (25%)
The Earth is a Globe.
12 (75%)

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Re: If Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell......?
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2017, 10:12:46 AM »
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For those who are undecided...

Here's your sign...


  In the practical order, I've staked my life on the world being "globey" many times, have tons of evidence that it is a globe, done extensive "surveying" and nav based on a "globe"...

...but I'll put it this way, and for just one example, if space can be curved, then even a globe can be flat.

  Remember that the principle of non/con isn't that a thing can't both be and not be, though many either have always misunderstood it such, or have gotten twisted along the way.

 There is similar in regards to heliocentrism, for example what is meant by "center"?

Center mass?
  What is the mass of the universe?
Center volume?
  What's outside the "boundary" then?
  Just how big is the universe? It can't be infinite, but...
  Wouldn't that "outside", the "terminus" still be something, and so part of the universe, just of a different order?

  How do you avoid the whole metaphysical boondoggle of "outside" the universe to begin with? What does that mean, if it even can mean anything?

 'member Job/Iyov/Iob?

 what if, either distinct from or in addition to, "center/central" is a matter of time/ history?

 We do know that space/time had a beginning, and so at least can end; this is a center that we have the greatest hope of actually putting a round through.

 See?

Re: If Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell......?
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2017, 10:50:13 AM »

 In the practical order, I've staked my life on the world being "globey" many times, have tons of evidence that it is a globe, done extensive "surveying" and nav based on a "globe"...

Likewise, perhaps not as “extensive” as yourself...

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...but I'll put it this way, and for just one example, if space can be curved, then even a globe can be flat. 

That's a possibility.     

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Remember that the principle of non/con isn't that a thing can't both be and not be, though many either have always misunderstood it such, or have gotten twisted along the way.

Correct, my post was merely a jest.
 
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There is similar in regards to heliocentrism, for example what is meant by "center"? Center mass? 
  What is the mass of the universe? 
Center volume? 
  What's outside the "boundary" then? 
  Just how big is the universe? It can't be infinite, but...
  Wouldn't that "outside", the "terminus" still besomething, and so part of the universe, just of a different order? 
  How do you avoid the whole metaphysical boondoggle of "outside" the universe to begin with? What does thatmean, if it even can mean anything?
 'member Job/Iyov/Iob?
 what if, either distinct from or in addition to, "center/central" is a matter of time/ history?
 We do know that space/time had a beginning, and so at least can end; this is a center that we have the greatest hope of actually putting a round through. 

I think Matthew's analogy sums it up well, I wouldn't expect a field mouse on my land to have a full grasp and understanding of the layout of the state of Texas either! So why would God expect us to "figure out" the fundamental nature of the earth and universe? That is a pretty good and fair comparison, too.

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 See?

Yes, I do. Thank you sir…


Re: If Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell......?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2017, 11:11:45 AM »
Likewise, perhaps not as “extensive” as yourself...

That's a possibility.    

Correct, my post was merely a jest.
 
I think Matthew's analogy sums it up well, I wouldn't expect a field mouse on my land to have a full grasp and understanding of the layout of the state of Texas either! So why would God expect us to "figure out" the fundamental nature of the earth and universe? That is a pretty good and fair comparison, too.

Yes, I do. Thank you sir…
I hear you man, and I get that you're joking it's just an opportunity to clarify a few things.

  Every FEist that I've knowingly dealt with as such make many false assumptions and fail to make distinctions such as that between rejecting something such as flat-earth for no good cause, not having cause to seriously consider it, esp. as they present it in the first place and, for example, my laughing in disbelief at a clown who's informed me my dog "Sparky" ain't playin' dead, he's just plain dead.

"HONK HONK!!" Ain't that a pie in the face?

The message and the messenger, when it comes to their pet "dogma", usually aren't really distinct emotionally speaking, as much as they harp otherwise.

 "Love me, love my dog."

You reinforce another point that I don't think they really appreciate, in spite of all the theoretical examples offered; abstractions have concrete consequences.
 
Thank you back sir yourself.

I wish that we had a resident bubble-head on CI, esp. one that's navved and/or piloted.

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Re: If Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell......?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2017, 12:02:51 PM »
We have lots of people here who live in a bubble, if that counts...

Re: If Getting the Answer Wrong Meant Going to Hell......?
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2017, 12:07:05 PM »
We have lots of people here who live in a bubble, if that counts...
We all do, more or less and one way or another, such as people who are needlessly obscure/high context with terms like "bubble-head".

I should have said "submariner" or something equally clear.