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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: How we know the world is round
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2017, 01:10:58 PM »
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  • Developing a greater appreciation for the fairer also being the "quieter" instruction but, then again, seems most of the men are more girlish than the girls anymore.

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #76 on: September 20, 2017, 01:18:13 PM »
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  • I said I have researched it (flat earth) from a Scientific and Religious point of view. I did not say either way. I lean toward it is not flat. That does not mean I'm correct, but WHO CARES, it does not have any real significance in this life. We can still go to heaven if we believe it's a globe and no one can prove it's flat from Scripture.


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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #77 on: September 20, 2017, 02:50:35 PM »
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  • Myrna and even steven,

    I can understand that with the amount of threads on the subject and fluff in them, it can be hard to find proof that the earth is flat.

    Here are some videos to start you off.








    And the Fathers of the Church:


    Lactentius in the Divine institutes, Chapter 24 :

    they thought that the world is round like a ball, and
    they fancied that the heaven revolves in accordance with the motion of
    the heavenly bodies; and thus that the stars and sun, when they have
    set, by the very rapidity of the motion of the world are borne back to
    the east. Therefore they both constructed brazen orbs, as though after
    the figure of the world, and engraved upon them certain monstrous
    images, which they said were constellations.
    ....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have
    once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain
    thing by another;
    but that I sometimes imagine that they either discuss
    philosophy for the sake of a jest, or purposely and knowingly undertake
    to defend falsehoods, as if to exercise or display their talents on
    false subjects.





    St. John Chrysostom Commentary on the Hebrews 8:1


    “Where are those who say that the heaven is in motion? Where are those who think it is spherical? For both these opinions are here swept away.”
    Quoted by Cosmas.


    St. Jerome, Commentary on Isaiah

    God "[had] established the great mass of the land and had gathered it together above the seas and rivers, so that the heaviest element [earth] hangs over the lighter weight waters by the will of God, who like a king sits above the circle of the earth. There are some who assert that this mass is like a point and globe...What, then, will the land be over ...?"
    Original latin here



    Methodius:
    “Resuming  then,  let  us  first  lay  bare,  in  speaking of  those  things  according  to  our  power,  the imposture  of  those  who  boast  as  though  they  alone  had  comprehended  from  what  forms  the  heaven  is arranged,  in  accordance  with  the  hypothesis  of  the  Chaldeans  and  Egyptians.  For *they*  say  that  the circuмference  of  the  world  is  likened  to  the  turnings  of  a  well‐rounded  globe,  the  earth  having  a central  point.  For  its  outline  being  spherical,  it  is  necessary,  they  say,  since  there  are  the  same  distances of  the  parts,  that  the  earth  should  be  the  center  of  the  universe,  around  which  as  being  older,  the  heaven is  whirling.  For  if  a  circuмference  is  described  from  the  central  point,  which  seems  to  be  a  circle,  ‐  for  it is  impossible  for  a  circle  to  be  described  without  a  point,  and  it  is  impossible  for  a  circle  to  be  without  a point,  ‐  surely  the  earth  consisted  before  all,  they  say,  in  a  state  of  chaos  and  disorganization.  Now certainly  the  wretched  ones  were  overwhelmed  in  the  chaos  of  error,  “because  that,  when  they  knew  God, they  glorified  Him  not  as  God,

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #78 on: September 20, 2017, 03:38:40 PM »
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  • Myrna and even steven,

    I can understand that with the amount of threads on the subject and fluff in them, it can be hard to find proof that the earth is flat.

    Here are some videos to start you off.







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    You forgot to mention those silly amateur videos have already been thoroughly debunked from start to finish.
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    Of course, you would deliberately leave that part out because you're still trying to deceive the gullible.
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    Having fun?
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #79 on: September 20, 2017, 03:48:48 PM »
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  • HAHA. Not with people like you explaining it.
    Hey, at least I have a sense of humor about it.  ;)


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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #80 on: September 20, 2017, 04:08:20 PM »
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  • Most of your posts on this thread argue against a flat earth. St. Basil didn't do that.

    The ancient Hebrews believed in a flat earth, based on scripture. Maybe you think that they were wrong to do so?
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    AnEvenSeven is attempting to bring the inconsistencies and self-contradictions of flat-earthers to their attention, in hopes they will stop making themselves look so foolish.
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    But that presumes they would have the humility to consider they've been wrong all along.

    You will never find anything in Sacred Scripture that describes the earth as being "flat" nor will you ever find the Church teaching flat-earthism.
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    There are writings of the saints and fathers of the Church that can be misinterpreted to appear as though they were trying to teach flat-earthism, but let's be realistic. If they really had thought that the physical shape of the earth is a matter of faith or morals, don't you suppose they might have said so at some point? They had centuries to say it, yet, NOT A WORD.
    .
    The real disservice flat-earthers are committing here is they are (perhaps unwittingly) dragging traditional Catholicism down with their inane and patently false statements and lousy argumentation. They don't answer questions, even when asked repeatedly. They abandon entire segments of this and other forums when they find competent resistance to their transparently ludicrous nonsense.
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    They do not address the substance of the issues and instead attack the person who presents the message.
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    They jump topic, ostensibly answering a question when in fact providing what might qualify as a response to a DIFFERENT question, which was NOT asked.
    .
    They resort to garbage propositions such as the sun is an electric light bulb, there are no such things as sunspots, the moon is translucent because you can see stars shining through it, the sun shining on the moon is not what makes the moon's phases appear to us on earth, the moon did not move in front of the sun during the Great American Eclipse of August 21st, 2017, "globe-earthers" have no explanation for solar eclipses, and last but by far not the least "the horizon always rises to the level of the observer." 
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    The horizon rather stays exactly where it is, and the eye of the observer being unaware of what level line of sight is, casts its direction downward toward the horizon where it sees in the receding distance where the earth's curvature quietly drops down out of sight.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #81 on: September 20, 2017, 04:09:54 PM »
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  • Hey, at least I have a sense of humor about it.  ;)
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    And you so much enjoy practicing it by laughing at yourself.  :jester:
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #82 on: September 20, 2017, 04:19:00 PM »
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  • .
    And you so much enjoy practicing it by laughing at yourself.  :jester:
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #83 on: September 20, 2017, 04:23:58 PM »
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  • We have already proven the Earth is Flat. At this point, anyone on CathInfo who still claims the earth is a sphere after seeing so much evidence is OBSTINATE AND SACRELIGIOUS.



    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
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    You have "proved" no such thing, and you know it.
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    Anyone can see the earth is a spheroid merely by looking at the moon in its various phases, and comparing what you see in one part of the planet to what you see at the same time from another part of the planet.
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    It is flat-earthers who are the obstinately sacreligious transgressors when they attempt to drag the Church into a topic that is not germane to same.
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    You have no idea what "the majority of people on CathInfo.com" think due to the fact that you only see and hear what you want to see and hear and you ignore all the rest, just like the Pharisees of Our Lord's time who chose to look the other way when He gave them miracles, so He stopped giving them miracles because He knew that the more miracles they received and refused to believe the worse became their obstinacy and sin condemning them further into a deeper place of punishment in hell, so out of mercy He refused to give them more of what they asked for because it would only then further contribute to their eternal damnation.
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    After all this you continue to erroneously place a plural possessive apostrophe where it doesn't belong and improperly capitalize words.

    In other words, you exhibit the inability to learn when you are wrong, and the incapacity to make self-correction.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #84 on: September 21, 2017, 09:26:43 AM »
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  • .
    AnEvenSeven is attempting to bring the inconsistencies and self-contradictions of flat-earthers to their attention, in hopes they will stop making themselves look so foolish.
    .
    But that presumes they would have the humility to consider they've been wrong all along.
    .
    You will never find anything in Sacred Scripture that describes the earth as being "flat" nor will you ever find the Church teaching flat-earthism.
    .
    There are writings of the saints and fathers of the Church that can be misinterpreted to appear as though they were trying to teach flat-earthism, but let's be realistic. If they really had thought that the physical shape of the earth is a matter of faith or morals, don't you suppose they might have said so at some point? They had centuries to say it, yet, NOT A WORD.
    .
    The real disservice flat-earthers are committing here is they are (perhaps unwittingly) dragging traditional Catholicism down with their inane and patently false statements and lousy argumentation. They don't answer questions, even when asked repeatedly. They abandon entire segments of this and other forums when they find competent resistance to their transparently ludicrous nonsense.
    .
    They do not address the substance of the issues and instead attack the person who presents the message.
    .
    They jump topic, ostensibly answering a question when in fact providing what might qualify as a response to a DIFFERENT question, which was NOT asked.
    .
    They resort to garbage propositions such as the sun is an electric light bulb, there are no such things as sunspots, the moon is translucent because you can see stars shining through it, the sun shining on the moon is not what makes the moon's phases appear to us on earth, the moon did not move in front of the sun during the Great American Eclipse of August 21st, 2017, "globe-earthers" have no explanation for solar eclipses, and last but by far not the least "the horizon always rises to the level of the observer."
    .
    The horizon rather stays exactly where it is, and the eye of the observer being unaware of what level line of sight is, casts its direction downward toward the horizon where it sees in the receding distance where the earth's curvature quietly drops down out of sight.
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    Though the Flat Earth is not explicit in Scripture, it is worth noting that quite a few actual defined teachings of the Catholic Church are not explicit in scripture. Teachings such as:

    * Purgatory
    * Indulgences
    * Sacrament of Penance
    * The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
    * The Immaculate Conception
    * Our Lady's Assumption
    * Papal Infallibility

    The above teachings are not explicit in Scripture.

    To reiterate: Even though the concept of the Flat Earth was also not explicit in Scripture,  it was a belief generally passed down in the Church through tradition, though not defined as an actual teaching of the Church. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #85 on: September 21, 2017, 10:02:28 AM »
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  • Though the Flat Earth is not explicit in Scripture, it is worth noting that quite a few actual defined teachings of the Catholic Church are not explicit in scripture. Teachings such as:

    * Purgatory
    * Indulgences
    * Sacrament of Penance
    * The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
    * The Immaculate Conception
    * Our Lady's Assumption
    * Papal Infallibility

    The above teachings are not explicit in Scripture.

    To reiterate: Even though the concept of the Flat Earth was also not explicit in Scripture,  it was a belief generally passed down in the Church through tradition, though not defined as an actual teaching of the Church.
    Through tradition, what tradition the Islamic tradition?  
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #86 on: September 21, 2017, 10:03:50 AM »
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  • An Even Seven: apparently you have difficulty in reading comprehension. Go back and read what I actually wrote. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #87 on: September 21, 2017, 10:12:01 AM »
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  • Go back and read what I wrote.

    If you address what I actually wrote in a honest manner, I will respond. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #88 on: September 21, 2017, 10:50:33 AM »
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  • You are putting FE in the same or similar category with those other Dogmas you listed.
    All that is contained in the Bible is dogma. There is no part of it that is untrue, and there is no part of it that does not require your assent.
    Your problem is single: you reject the parts of the Bible that deal with the structure and nature of His Creation.

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #89 on: September 21, 2017, 11:30:29 AM »
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  • All that is contained in the Bible is dogma. There is no part of it that is untrue, and there is no part of it that does not require your assent.
    Your problem is single: you reject the parts of the Bible that deal with the structure and nature of His Creation.
    Conflation and equivocation alert: that nonsense has gone on far too long.

    "But according to a long-standing usage a dogma is now understood to be a truth appertaining to faith or morals, revealed by God, transmitted from the Apostles in the Scriptures or by tradition, and proposed by the Church for the acceptance of the faithful. It might be described briefly as a revealed truth defined by the Church — but private revelations do not constitute dogmas, and some theologians confine the word defined to doctrines solemnly defined by the pope or by a general council, while a revealed truth becomes a dogma even when proposed by the Church through her ordinary magisterium or teaching office. A dogma therefore implies a twofold relation: to Divine revelation and to the authoritative teaching of the Church."

    newadvent.org "Dogma", Definition of para. 4


    emph. DZ P