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Offline Meg

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Re: How we know the world is round
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2017, 12:06:14 PM »
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  • Meg...if you are going to make accusations against me, please read what I write.
    I am fully aware that some or even most of the Fathers believed the Earth was flat, and I've already written as much. There are however, no quotes contradicting St. Basil's quote. I have not read anything from the Fathers attaching any religious significance to flat Earth. Their quotes usually just mention it in passing and never state that it can be proved from Scripture. Since this is the case we should most definitely attach a special importance to St. Basil's words. We should not use Scripture to suit our own interpretations. Since Scripture is SILENT as to the shape, we should refrain from using Scripture to prove the shape.

    Is St. Basil's writing on the subject something that all Catholics are required to give assent to?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #61 on: September 20, 2017, 12:14:53 PM »
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  • Meg I believe that he (AES) doesn't care about the shape of the earth, nor do I.  

    However, HE CARES THAT there comes a time when this subject has overtaken this Catholic forum and the shape of the earth according to "them" has evolved into almost a dogma to "them", something that we Catholics MUST agree with "them".
     
    Ergo, not caring about the shape of the earth is not the same as CARING about their insistence that WE (who do not agree) better see the light since it is in the Bible.  They interpreted the Bible according to their agenda, and by AES bringing up what St. Basel said is very much needed for Catholics to consider.

    Why does St. Basel mentioned in this thread bother you so?  This is a Catholic forum, right?
     

    Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).


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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #62 on: September 20, 2017, 12:22:23 PM »
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  • Is St. Basil's writing on the subject something that all Catholics are required to give assent to?
    Are we who do not agree with you something that all Catholics are required to give assent to?
    That is the way your kind are so eager to desire, I find that suspicious especially since the flat earth is what Islam, Muslins find in their Quran.  If they can convince Catholics the earth is flat they can convince Catholics the Pope is a Muslin another step for the NWO.   :heretic:

    The above post  FROM TIE just proves, my point.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #63 on: September 20, 2017, 12:22:37 PM »
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  • [to Myrna]

    There have been times when the subject of sedevacantism has taken over the forum. I don't recall that you've ever complained about that.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #64 on: September 20, 2017, 12:25:20 PM »
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  • We have already proven the Earth is Flat. At this point, anyone on CathInfo who still claims the earth is a sphere after seeing so much evidence is OBSTINATE AND SACRELIGIOUS.



    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).


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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #65 on: September 20, 2017, 12:29:38 PM »
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  • [To AES]
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    Wait.
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    Did you just say you believe the earth is flat??
    You didn't answer my question.

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #66 on: September 20, 2017, 12:30:37 PM »
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  • ROFL
    FOR YOUR INFORMATION:  Tradplorable  Sedevacantism is very much a Catholic topic, the Vatican years ago prior to VII, even issued a STAMP commemorating the sedevacantist position. Today the stamp is a collector's item.  
    Therefore why complain about a Catholic stance, an issue on a Catholic forum.
    ANSWER THAT!
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #67 on: September 20, 2017, 12:33:13 PM »
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  • FOR YOUR INFORMATION: Tradplorable Sedevacantism is very much a Catholic topic, the Vatican years ago prior to VII, even issued a STAMP commemorating the sedevacantist position. Today the stamp is a collector's item.  
    Therefore why complain about a Catholic stance, an issue on a Catholic forum.
    ANSWER THAT!
    Tradplorable, YOU didn't answer my question.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #68 on: September 20, 2017, 12:43:17 PM »
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  • Well required might not be the word. He is one of the greatest Doctors of the Church though and I don't think you can find any Doctor or Father that disagrees with this quote. This would make any Catholic pretty eager to give assent to it.
    Are you saying that you would want to believe that Scripture can be used to try to prove anything one wants to prove? Do think he was wrong and that Scripture is not silent as to the shape of the Earth? If you do disagree with him, tell me the reason why. What other Doctor or Father can you use to prove that the shape of the Earth is proved by Scripture? Someone believing in it is not the same as proving they thought it had religious significance by the way.

    We are not required to give assent to the writings of St. Basil, well-intentioned though he was.

    The debate will continue, as long as the owner of the forum allows it. And there isn't anything you can do about it, except complain and disagree...which you are of course allowed to do.

    Tell, me, do you believe in all of the infallible Dogmas of the Church, without innovation, as Truth is Eternal has been asking others here?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #69 on: September 20, 2017, 12:51:21 PM »
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  • ROFL

    Yeah, Myrna doesn't mind it when sedevacantism has, at times, taken over the forum.

    I find it interesting that many of those who are against a flat earth are also sedevacantists. Not all, for sure, but many. What's up with that? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #70 on: September 20, 2017, 12:56:11 PM »
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  • An Even Seven: we don't have to debate by your rules. Perhaps you should start up a sedevacantist anti-flat earth forum of your own, so that you can control the debates. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #71 on: September 20, 2017, 12:59:43 PM »
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  • Is the flat earth theory a dogma of the faith?

    No, it isn't. Why do you ask?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #72 on: September 20, 2017, 01:03:17 PM »
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  • Doesn't debate have its own rules and terms in order to qualify as such, otherwise what is it?

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #73 on: September 20, 2017, 01:05:49 PM »
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  • An Even Seven: we don't have to debate by your rules. Perhaps you should start up a sedevacantist anti-flat earth forum of your own, so that you can control the debates.
    Who, in all honesty, really believes that this is how anything really plays out here on "LoverofFlatEarth.com"?

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #74 on: September 20, 2017, 01:07:04 PM »
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  • Then it shouldn't be debated as such...  

    That's the point that AES is trying to make.  If you weren't so argumentative, and actually paid attention to his posts, you'd be able to see through your rabid, anti-sedevacantist blinders.  

    What...we aren't allowed to debate anything that isn't a dogma? What Church teaches that? Must be a sedevacantist thing. 

    You're right about one thing though. I am definitely anti-sedevacantist. 

    I gotta run now and tend to things in the real world.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29