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Offline Truth is Eternal

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Re: How we know the world is round
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2017, 05:49:34 PM »
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    Re: Confine 'em--please!/Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #46 on: September 19, 2017, 05:52:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: AlligatorDicax on September 19, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
    The only aspect of MyrnaM's original posting that can be attributed to a "senior moment" was her awful lapse in judgement to infect CathInfo's </general-discussion/> with the tediously repetitive "Flat Earth" propaganda campaign that's already spreading like a cancer in CathInfo's </fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/> subforum, e.g.:

    •  Sep. 08, 2017, 12:22 CDT: 9 of 1st 9  topics!   4 of 2nd 9.
    •  Sep. 09, 2017 (time not noted): 12 of 1st 12 topics!   3 of 2nd 6.
    •  Sep. 10, 2017, 20:50 CDT: 11 of 1st 11 topics!  3 of 2nd 6.
    •  Sep. 12, 2017, 12:00 CDT: 13 of 1st 15 topics.
    •  Sep. 19, 2017, 15:30 CDT: 14 of all 18 1st-index-page topics.

    Isn't CathInfo clogged with enough of that Flat Earth Foolishness [†] in 1 subforum already!?  It's [expletives deleted] overdue to be confined to a child forum for which that confinement is enforced by Matthew's ban hammer (to be wielded also by Mater Domenici as the need arises).

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    I MyrnaM must agree with you and I apologize, it is just when I saw that video I wanted to share it, and I am glad I did, however you are so correct about the FlatEarthers spreading their beliefs all over this forum, and this used to be such a nice CATHOLIC forum.  
    I for one am out of here, at least out of this topic.  
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #47 on: September 20, 2017, 09:11:30 AM »
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    • Yes, yes and yes to the below quote, no one could have expressed it better.

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    AES: I have watched many videos about flat earth. I have also watched many videos refuting flat earth. To me, it really doesn't matter. It is not part of my faith nor does anyone's salvation depend on it. My problem is that people are promoting it as if it's Dogma or even in Scripture. It's not in either. If one wants to claim the Earth is flat, who cares. I know many people in Church history believed that way but no one considered it a matter of religious importance. Don't associate it with religion. Yes, God's creation is important but that does not mean He revealed everything about it. What matters is the fact that He's real and He created it.
    Most of the flat-earthers are very off-putting and don't really offer solid undeniable proof of it. This would tend to discredit any further evangelizing that flat earthers wanted to do in matters of religious importance, making it detrimental to the spreading of the Faith.     
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #48 on: September 20, 2017, 10:10:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 09:28:09 AM
    Thanks Myrna.
    I am merely echoing the sentiments of St. Basil the Great. Below is the quote from him which the flat earthers have yet to show a Church Father which disagreed with his conclusions. The last few sentences is a pretty clear condemnation of those trying to use Scripture to prove the Earth is flat.

    Did St. Basil ever write that the earth is a globe, or sphere? Is there any indication that he himself believed that the earth is a globe or sphere?
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #49 on: September 20, 2017, 10:20:29 AM »
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #50 on: September 20, 2017, 10:29:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
    Maybe he thought it is flat, maybe not. I DON'T CARE. He said Scripture is silent as to the shape of the Earth. He called those who try to prove the shape from Scripture, foolish. He said they have invented their own meaning of Scripture. This is a matter of science not religion. Those Church Fathers who believed it to be flat probably did so because it was the prevailing opinion of science at the time. Not because it was connected to the faith. In fact, I have not read a quote from the Church Fathers which mentioned the shape of the Earth, where they linked it to the Faith.
    Show where the quote from St. Basil is contradicted by other Fathers.

    You gave the impression that St. Basil himself condemned the idea of a flat earth. And, by default, anyone who condemns the idea of a flat earth always believes that the earth is round. You should not have given the impression that St. Basil condemned the idea of a flat earth. 

    St. Basil did not EVER say that the earth is not flat. He also never said that it isn't round. He did not make a judgment either way. He simply said that Catholics should not spend time speculating on it. 

    And yet you are spending time speculating on the subject, correct? 

    I don't have a problem with Catholics speculating or debating the subject. But you should, since you keep bringing up St. Basil and what he wrote. 
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #51 on: September 20, 2017, 10:37:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
    Maybe he thought it is flat, maybe not. I DON'T CARE.

    I don't think it's true that you don't care. You have debated against the idea of a flat earth on this thread and other threads.
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #52 on: September 20, 2017, 10:50:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
    Have I?
    To tell you the truth, I don't remember. If I have it's because of the ridiculousness on the part of most of the Flat Earthers. The way they argue and the tactics they use. It's enough to be turned off of it in itself. Regardless if I have said pro-Globe statements or anti-flat statements, my point is not relevant to it. My point is flat earth should not be portrayed as having any significance in matters of religion at all.
    I have researched it from the POV of believing it because it's scientific and also because it might be something of religious import. Maybe you could find a post where I have taken definitive sides from a Scientific standpoint, since you claimed I have. If you can find one, I'll admit to it, but I don't recall that I have.

    Most of your posts on this thread argue against the idea of a flat earth. You don't recall any of your posts on this thread?
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #53 on: September 20, 2017, 11:03:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 10:46:44 AM

    I have researched it from the POV of believing it because it's scientific and also because it might be something of religious import. Maybe you could find a post where I have taken definitive sides from a Scientific standpoint, since you claimed I have. If you can find one, I'll admit to it, but I don't recall that I have.
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    Did you just say you believe the earth is flat??
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #54 on: September 20, 2017, 11:13:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 20, 2017, 10:37:24 AM
    I don't think it's true that you don't care. You have debated against the idea of a flat earth on this thread and other threads.
    Meg I believe that he (AES) doesn't care about the shape of the earth, nor do I.  

    However, HE CARES THAT there comes a time when this subject has overtaken this Catholic forum and the shape of the earth according to "them" has evolved into almost a dogma to "them", something that we Catholics MUST agree with "them".
     
    Ergo, not caring about the shape of the earth is not the same as CARING about their insistence that WE (who do not agree) better see the light since it is in the Bible.  They interpreted the Bible according to their agenda, and by AES bringing up what St. Basel said is very much needed for Catholics to consider.

    Why does St. Basel mentioned in this thread bother you so?  This is a Catholic forum, right?
     
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #55 on: September 20, 2017, 11:19:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 20, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
    Meg I believe that he doesn't care about the shape of the earth, nor do I.  However, there comes a time when this subject has overtaken this Catholic forum and the shape of the earth according to "them" has evolved into almost a dogma to "them", something that we Catholics MUST agree with "them".  
    Ergo, not caring about the shape of the earth is not the same as CARING about their insistence that WE (who do not agree) better see the light since it is in the Bible.  They interpreted the Bible according to their agenda, and by AES bringing up what St. Basel said is very much needed for Catholics to consider.
        

    I disagree. He does care, since he has argued against the idea of a flat earth on this thread.

    There have been times when the subject of sedevacantism has taken over the forum. I don't recall that you've ever complained about that.

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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #56 on: September 20, 2017, 11:37:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 11:36:02 AM
    Here are my post from this thread and the points I was making.

    Point: I want them to show where the Bible proves the Earth is flat.

    Point: The Bible never mentions the word flat in relation to the shape of the Earth.
     
     
    Point: Again, the Bible speaking of Flat Earth doesn't happen.


    Point: Stating that the poster cannot prove what he is saying about the religious significance of flat Earth.

    Point: Same as above



    Point: Asking why a picture with Scriptural quotes on it, proves the Bible teaches the Earth is flat.

    Point: Stating my displeasure with people passing off their flat Earth arguments as something that can be proved by Scripture etc...


    Point: St. Basil's quote has nothing to do with whether the Earth is flat or not. Only that Scripture cannot be used to prove it.


    Point: Same as above
    There is nothing in this thread to show that I care whether or not the Earth is flat or that I'm arguing against flat Earth. I think that using religious guilt and trying to prove flat earth from Scripture or the Fathers is wrong and detrimental.

    Most of your posts on this thread argue against a flat earth. St. Basil didn't do that.

    The ancient Hebrews believed in a flat earth, based on scripture. Maybe you think that they were wrong to do so? 
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #57 on: September 20, 2017, 11:53:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 20, 2017, 11:45:01 AM
    Now I must call into question your credibility and literacy. Almost every single post is arguing against using Scripture or the Fathers to prove flat earth or that flat earth has any relevance to religion.
    I never said I want everybody to stop debating it from the science standpoint but to do it from a Scriptural standpoint, I must take the side of St. Basil.
    Okay.... I went back and read all of your posts on this thread and you're right, to a certain extent. You are arguing against the flat earth FROM a basis of your belief that it is not in scripture. 

    The ancient Hebrews, however, would not agree with St. Basil that it is not in scripture. We will continue to debate from a scriptural POV. Are you aware that there have been Church Fathers who have believed in a flat earth? 
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #58 on: September 20, 2017, 11:53:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 20, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
    Meg I believe that he (AES) doesn't care about the shape of the earth, nor do I.  

    However, HE CARES THAT there comes a time when this subject has overtaken this Catholic forum and the shape of the earth according to "them" has evolved into almost a dogma to "them", something that we Catholics MUST agree with "them".
     
    Ergo, not caring about the shape of the earth is not the same as CARING about their insistence that WE (who do not agree) better see the light since it is in the Bible.  They interpreted the Bible according to their agenda, and by AES bringing up what St. Basel said is very much needed for Catholics to consider.

    Why does St. Basel mentioned in this thread bother you so?  This is a Catholic forum, right?
    Meg ... answer the question ... why does St. Basel bother you?
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    Re: How we know the world is round
    « Reply #59 on: September 20, 2017, 11:56:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 20, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
    Meg ... answer the question ... why does St. Basel bother you?

    Why should he bother me? What makes you ask that?
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