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How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
« on: February 09, 2023, 03:04:48 PM »
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  • A new one uploaded to Taboo Conspiracy where competitive sailor Hervé Riboni talks about his own personal experience and observations regarding the disparity in the time zones on the purported globe and how they better fit a flat earth model.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #1 on: February 09, 2023, 03:27:19 PM »
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  • Riboni makes a compelling case.  In an earlier video I saw from him, it was not so much the Timezones, but the "magnetic declination", this construct that's been made up where, depending on where you're at on "the globe", there's actually an adjustment you have to make from your actual compass readings to allegedly stay going in the right direction based on your compass reading ... and these declinations just so happen to reflect what the readings would be if you were on a flat disc model of the earth.

    So I'm looking forward to this one.


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #2 on: February 09, 2023, 03:58:20 PM »
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  • The image in that video shows how the actual boundaries of time zones, as they are drawn by human beings, curve somewhat around various archipelagoes in the Pacific Ocean. This is not an astronomical idea, but a political one, meaning that the people who live on those archipelagoes wanted all the islands in their group to be in the same time zone for convenience's sake, which is why the boundaries of the time zones curve around them.

    Is that all the video is about?

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #3 on: February 09, 2023, 04:05:48 PM »
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  • The other videos referenced by this one


    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #4 on: February 09, 2023, 09:14:12 PM »
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  • The image in that video shows how the actual boundaries of time zones, as they are drawn by human beings, curve somewhat around various archipelagoes in the Pacific Ocean. This is not an astronomical idea, but a political one, meaning that the people who live on those archipelagoes wanted all the islands in their group to be in the same time zone for convenience's sake, which is why the boundaries of the time zones curve around them.

    Is that all the video is about?
    Pretty much, but he makes an interesting observation, one that needs proving. He claims the sun rises and sets faster in the southern hemisphere than in the north. A time lapse of the stars arcing around the south pole would be just as good if not better evidence of a globe.
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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #5 on: February 09, 2023, 09:20:20 PM »
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  • First video...starting at 8.11.  You believe this guy?

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #6 on: February 09, 2023, 11:28:55 PM »
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  • Well… That was interesting.

    I have found geocentrism compellingly interesting, but until now flat earth held no interest for me. For some reason, the time zones jarred me.

    It was also revealing that (((they))) forced a "fact check" about this "archaic and disproven" model. As poker players say, "That's a 'tell.'"

    So, to round out (pun intended) the cosmological model:

    • What is on "the other side" of the flat earth?
    • Why don't explorers fall off the edge?
    • Where is Hell?


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #7 on: February 10, 2023, 06:10:24 AM »
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  • The image in that video shows how the actual boundaries of time zones, as they are drawn by human beings, curve somewhat around various archipelagoes in the Pacific Ocean. This is not an astronomical idea, but a political one, meaning that the people who live on those archipelagoes wanted all the islands in their group to be in the same time zone for convenience's sake, which is why the boundaries of the time zones curve around them.

    Is that all the video is about?

    That doesn't come close to explaining it.  Many (in fact most) of the timezone anomalies are out in sparsely populated areas, or in the middle of the ocean, so quite the opposite.  Also, if evenly divided, one would expect 24 timezones in both "hemispheres," but you get 19 in the northern and 32 in the southern ... which makes sense on the FE model, as the southern hemisphere has more area to cover.  In addition, Riboni has other videos about how the so-called magnetic "declination" corresponds precisely to the adjustments that would need to be made for the FE model.  Riboni knows what he's talking about, having "circuмnavigated" the globe, and crossed other oceans many times.


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #8 on: February 10, 2023, 06:11:44 AM »
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  • Pretty much ...

    No, not at all.  As I said before, many of the timezone "adjustments" are in sparsely-inhabited or uninhabited (ocean) areas.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #9 on: February 10, 2023, 06:13:33 AM »
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  • Pretty much, but he makes an interesting observation, one that needs proving. He claims the sun rises and sets faster in the southern hemisphere than in the north. A time lapse of the stars arcing around the south pole would be just as good if not better evidence of a globe.

    I've seen this asserted before.  While he has not "proven" it, he circuмnavigated the earth down at 50 latitude south, and has also crossed oceans in the northern hemisphere, so was in the perfect position to observe.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #10 on: February 10, 2023, 06:25:32 AM »
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  • It was also revealing that (((they))) forced a "fact check" about this "archaic and disproven" model. As poker players say, "That's a 'tell.'"

    So, to round out (pun intended) the cosmological model:

    • What is on "the other side" of the flat earth?
    • Why don't explorers fall off the edge?
    • Where is Hell?

    To your first point, whether or not one is inclined to accept FE, there's no doubt but that FE has been aggressively censored by Big Tech.  As Matthew pointed out, there are no disclaimers about BigFoot videos.  There's SOMEthing they're trying to hide that's at least related to the FE issue, perhaps the overwhelming evidence of NASA fraud.  When has Big Tech been at the service of humanity, trying to prevent them from being ensnared in lies?

    In FE model, whether there's an edge at all is unknown.  Firmament would "touch down", as it were around the edges of a circular region of a flat plane.  Hell is beneath the earth in the FE model, and you can see this in various diagrams of Hebrew cosmology.  This notion of an edge tends to be based on the idea of a flat disc floating through space, but the FE model (the most prevalent one anyway) doesn't admit of "space", but corresponds more to the detail about how the world is described in Sacred Scripture (kindof like below).  One of the things that won me over to FE was the fact that I find it physically impossible that the atmosphere would remain on the earth adjacent to a nearly-perfect vacuum (of space).  Gravity does not come close to explaining this, as it's an extremely weak force.  I don't believe in gravity at all, and the cosmology models based on gravity are what Kaku referred to as the greatest mismatch between theory and observation in the history of science, on the order of 1 with dozens of zeros after it (can't recall the number).  It's why they had to invent "dark matter", to salvage their cosmology.  If someone posited some kind of electromagnetic solution to the problem, that might work, and I personally tend to believe in the "electric universe" model (vs. gravity).




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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #11 on: February 10, 2023, 07:44:03 AM »
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  • Can some Flat Earther PLEASE post a decent model that comes close to demonstrating and explaining the movements of the Sun, Moon, stars, planets, etc.. Remember, the geocentric and heliocentric globe models both do an admirable job (admittedly not perfect) explaining Heavenly movements. Every single FE model that I’ve seen is embarrassingly silly.

    It’s fine to poke holes in the global Earth model, but you’d be foolish to discard both GE models without having a reasonable replacement.
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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #12 on: February 10, 2023, 09:05:13 AM »
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  • Can some Flat Earther PLEASE post a decent model that comes close to demonstrating and explaining the movements of the Sun, Moon, stars, planets, etc.. Remember, the geocentric and heliocentric globe models both do an admirable job (admittedly not perfect) explaining Heavenly movements. Every single FE model that I’ve seen is embarrassingly silly.

    It’s fine to poke holes in the global Earth model, but you’d be foolish to discard both GE models without having a reasonable replacement.
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    This. I don't understand why flat earthers don't see the force of this objection. Globe earthers have a working model of their theory. Flat earthers don't.

    Not to mention flat earthism requires us to ignore simple and observable laws of physics, such as that objects can't travel through the air without a means of propulsion, and can't turn in mid-flight without either control surfaces or some other means to apply force to change their trajectory. But flat earthism claims the sun does both these things without any means of doing so.

    And this guy is talking about there being more time zones in the southern hemisphere than in the northern, but admits that many of the southern hemisphere time zones are only half an hour. Well, if the southern hemisphere is cut into more pieces but smaller ones, then I don't see the problem.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #13 on: February 10, 2023, 09:13:15 AM »
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  • To your first point, whether or not one is inclined to accept FE, there's no doubt but that FE has been aggressively censored by Big Tech.  As Matthew pointed out, there are no disclaimers about BigFoot videos.  There's SOMEthing they're trying to hide that's at least related to the FE issue, perhaps the overwhelming evidence of NASA fraud.  When has Big Tech been at the service of humanity, trying to prevent them from being ensnared in lies?

    In FE model, whether there's an edge at all is unknown.  Firmament would "touch down", as it were around the edges of a circular region of a flat plane.  Hell is beneath the earth in the FE model, and you can see this in various diagrams of Hebrew cosmology.  This notion of an edge tends to be based on the idea of a flat disc floating through space, but the FE model (the most prevalent one anyway) doesn't admit of "space", but corresponds more to the detail about how the world is described in Sacred Scripture (kindof like below).  One of the things that won me over to FE was the fact that I find it physically impossible that the atmosphere would remain on the earth adjacent to a nearly-perfect vacuum (of space).  Gravity does not come close to explaining this, as it's an extremely weak force.  I don't believe in gravity at all, and the cosmology models based on gravity are what Kaku referred to as the greatest mismatch between theory and observation in the history of science, on the order of 1 with dozens of zeros after it (can't recall the number).  It's why they had to invent "dark matter", to salvage their cosmology.  If someone posited some kind of electromagnetic solution to the problem, that might work, and I personally tend to believe in the "electric universe" model (vs. gravity).




    The atmosphere and the touch-down points are the weakest parts of this model. Is there a refined current model?

    As with the globe model, in this model one is hard pressed to explain the inhomogeneity of atmosphere as altitude increases.

    Too, navigators like Riboni have never reported, "Oh, looky here. Firmament."  

    I do not recall St. Hildegarde addressing the touch-down points.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #14 on: February 10, 2023, 02:02:47 PM »
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  • The atmosphere and the touch-down points are the weakest parts of this model. Is there a refined current model?

    As with the globe model, in this model one is hard pressed to explain the inhomogeneity of atmosphere as altitude increases.

    Too, navigators like Riboni have never reported, "Oh, looky here. Firmament." 

    I do not recall St. Hildegarde addressing the touch-down points.

    Well, the picture wasn't really a model ... just an artistic depiction of Hebrew cosmology.  My personal opinion is that there isn't a "touch-down" point but that there's a spherical firmament that goes all the way around.  Problem is that no one is permitted to go south of 60 degrees latitude to investigate.

    Some Church Fathers believed the world was semi-spherical, which would mean a touchdown point.  If spherical, there would be no such point.  But, either way, there's no way to get down to Antarctica where whatever it is would be found.  It's also possible that there's more land / ocean / something beyond Antarctica and that the intersection between the sphere and the plane of the land surface is much farther away.

    Globe model (with a vacuum of space around the atmosphere) can't explain why there's any atmosphere at all.  Inhomogeneity can be explained simply by density, with lighter elements rising and heavier ones sinking.  Directionality is a separate discussion regarding which there are different theories.