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Offline Mark 79

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Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2023, 11:51:16 AM »
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  • On the pope question, speaking for myself, it has nothing to do with “going with your gut”, it’s simply following the teaching of the vast majority of the best theologians and canonists, using logic, and applying to our situation today.

    Agree 100%.      My "guts" are nowhere to be found here on my anti-pope page: http://judaism.is/jorge.html


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #46 on: February 11, 2023, 12:51:25 PM »
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  • The sun in its circuit would be closest to the north pole, meaning those areas would see the sun in the manner you speak of.


    Thanks for this video. However, I have 3 issues with this sketch. Throughout the year, the sun is never at the zenith of regions north of the tropic of cancer or south of the tropic of capricorn. There is always 12 hrs of daylight in cities along the equator, year round. Daylight in cities south of the equator behaves the opposite as their equivalent in the north. For instance, in the model above, how does it explain 22 hrs of daylight in Ushuaia, Argentina, in December (same latitud as Copenhagen but  on the south side)? I'm just trying to understand based on observations. Is there other model that can explain FE considering the 3 issues I mentioned?


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #47 on: February 11, 2023, 01:32:10 PM »
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    On the pope question, speaking for myself, it has nothing to do with “going with your gut”, it’s simply following the teaching of the vast majority of the best theologians and canonists, using logic, and applying to our situation today.
    The point is, some people incorrectly attack sedevacantism because they find a flaw in the conclusion.  They'll ask, "So how do we get another pope, if all the heretics have lost office?"  Since this is a unique time in all of Church history, the honest answer is "Not sure.  I don't have all the details.  I just know that pope x isn't the pope."


    Same thing with FE.  Logic and some major evidence points out that a globe model doesn't work and a "flat land snow globe model" aligns more with the facts.  FE'ers don't have all the details (yet) but that doesn't mean the theory is false.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #48 on: February 11, 2023, 04:12:20 PM »
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  • The point is, some people incorrectly attack sedevacantism because they find a flaw in the conclusion.  They'll ask, "So how do we get another pope, if all the heretics have lost office?"  Since this is a unique time in all of Church history, the honest answer is "Not sure.  I don't have all the details.  I just know that pope x isn't the pope."


    Same thing with FE.  Logic and some major evidence points out that a globe model doesn't work and a "flat land snow globe model" aligns more with the facts.  FE'ers don't have all the details (yet) but that doesn't mean the theory is false.


    I don’t want to derail this thread, but I feel compelled to correct your analogy.

    I’ve posted some of the following a few times on this board which explains my thoughts on how we can get another pope:



    I believe that we should put all of our trust in God as He will resolve it when it is absolutely the right time, no more no less. With that said, here are a few of the scenarios on how we might obtain a true pope that I have envisioned:

    1) There could be valid Roman clergy who have kept the faith through the crisis. They could declare that the see vacant and elect a true pope.

    2) There must be some bishops still alive (most likely from the Eastern part of the Church) who still profess the true faith and could/would call a council and declare the see vacant and elect a true pope.

    3) There could be some conservative NO "cardinals" who could convert, profess the true faith, declare the see vacant, and then call a conclave to elect a true pope. (acclamation?)

    4) I think that it is possible that if Mr. Bergoglio were to have a complete conversion and by this I mean 100%. He would have to explicitly reject all of the errors of Vatican II, ecuмenism, religious liberty, the NO mass, etc. He would then have to be conditionally ordained and consecrated and also demand that the clergy that are deemed to profess the true faith be conditionally ordained and consecrated. All of the modernist clergy would have to be physically removed from the Church's buildings and be denounced if they do not profess the true faith. (acclamation?)

    5) It’s possible that there could be a living true pope in hiding that we are unaware of.

    6) God could miraculously intervene.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #49 on: February 11, 2023, 04:44:26 PM »
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    I believe that we should put all of our trust in God as He will resolve it when it is absolutely the right time, no more no less. With that said, here are a few of the scenarios
    Again, you're missing the point.  Sedevacantism does not have a clear cut, easy answer the crisis (neither does R&R, nor any other Trad theory).  There are many possibilities, none of which are certain or provable.  In the same way, FE does not have a clear cut, easy explanation of the cosmos (yet).  There are many possibilities, not of which are certain or provable (yet).


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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #50 on: February 11, 2023, 05:48:23 PM »
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  • Again, you're missing the point.  Sedevacantism does not have a clear cut, easy answer the crisis (neither does R&R, nor any other Trad theory).  There are many possibilities, none of which are certain or provable.  In the same way, FE does not have a clear cut, easy explanation of the cosmos (yet).  There are many possibilities, not of which are certain or provable (yet).


    Pax, you are comparing apples to oranges. Sorry, but it’s a bad analogy.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #51 on: February 11, 2023, 11:04:56 PM »
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  • Mark, Quo Vadis, and Yeti...
    All 3 of you have no problem "going with your gut" and concluding that "V2 popes aren't real popes" even if all the details/explanations aren't worked out (that's the job of theologians of the future).

    But yet, when the *same people* (i.e. V2 supporting globalists) push the lie about the "globe earth" you demand detailed explanations.  ??  It makes no sense.

    Open your eyes...the same satanist globalists who are behind the infiltration in the Church are behind the infiltration in sciences.  The main difference being that they infiltrated sciences around the 1600s, which was 400 years earlier than the Church, so that the "science lies" they tell are much more "fine tuned".

    But they are still lies told by satanists.
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    This is a good question. I'll give you two answers. First:

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    But yet, when the *same people* (i.e. V2 supporting globalists) push the lie about the "globe earth" you demand detailed explanations.  ??  It makes no sense.

    It's not even remotely accurate to say that the globe earth is a lie pushed by globalists today. The globe earth theory goes back 400 years before Christ, to Aristotle. It was universally accepted in ancient Greece. An ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes proved the earth was round, and measured the circuмference of the earth using a stick and some string, and was off by less 10%.

    While I do find it a bit curious that big tech is censoring flatters today, I don't think the only explanation is that it's because they're right. They could just as well be wrong about the shape of the earth but right about other things big tech wants to censor. Actually, I believe that's exactly what's going on. A lot of flat earthers attack the fake science of today in other things as well as the shape of the earth, and I think that's why they're de-platformed. They attack things the globalists care about very much, such as the corona, the jabs, climate "change", the moon landings, 9/11/2001, and other things. And they attack the fake scientistic hegemony in toto. That is why they are deplatformed, in my opinion. The reason big foot believers are not deplatformed is because they don't attack science as a whole; the reason flat earthers are deplatformed is because they do. In either case, it is Big Science that Big Tech is protecting, not the particular theory involved.

    The other problem with your theory is that you are talking about well over half a millennium of Christian rule, in which the globe earth was unchallenged fact, under Catholic monarchs and holy popes. The entire civilized world, all of Christendom, has accepted the globe earth model for as long as they have even had to think about such things, since the beginning of the Age of Discovery, when they started to map the earth. When explorers started sailing all over the earth after Columbus, and mapping the continents and islands, they mapped them on globes. If this were some evil conspiracy, why didn't the Catholic kings step in and tell their explorers (and Catholic kings paid for these expeditions, just look at Columbus, Cortez, and so on) not to say the earth was a globe? Why did the whole of Christendom get filled with globes with maps of the continents on them, and not one single pope stood up and said, "Hey, what's with these globes of the earth everywhere that contradict Scripture and the Fathers? The earth is flat and the heavens are a dome above us!" I never heard of any pope or Catholic king saying such a thing for over five hundreds years. More than that, I never heard of a single Catholic king so much as using a flat earth model of the globe during that time. No, they all without exception used globes to map the earth until the present time. This means that the globe earth has nothing to do with satanists, globalists, atheists, freemasons or anything similar.

    On the contrary, if you look at the history of flat earth theory, you will find that it was actually invented by a group of radical leftists in England in the 19th century, mainly Rowbotham and his buddy Lady Elizabeth Blount, who was a leftist radical. To quote the Flat Earth Society's own page, she was

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    she was also poet, songwriter and wrote pamphlets on a wide variety of subjects. Blount was a progressive thinker and humanitarian. She was a vegetarian and - like Marjory Johnson - an anti-vivisectionist, often using the Earth Not A Globe Review to "cover these subjects in flowing prose and verse, alongside references to her work as president of the Society for the Protection of the Dark Races".

    There you have most of the leftist agenda in the 19th century -- animal rights, Black Lives Matter, socialism and progressivism. That's where the flat earth idea came from.

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    Re: How time zones hide the Flat Earth (video)
    « Reply #52 on: February 14, 2023, 08:40:22 AM »
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    It's not even remotely accurate to say that the globe earth is a lie pushed by globalists today. The globe earth theory goes back 400 years before Christ, to Aristotle. It was universally accepted in ancient Greece. An ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes proved the earth was round, and measured the circuмference of the earth using a stick and some string, and was off by less 10%.
    Exactly, the Ancient Greece that was the precursor of our Modernists today.  The Ancient Greece who did the following:

    1.  Promoted "science" as a religion, including "globe earth" and heliocentrism
    2.  Promoted a pan-religion, similar to a one-world religion.
    3.  Practiced all manner of paganism, with pedeophilia, slavery, etc
    4.  Killed Socrates because he spoke in favor the natural law
    5.  Attacked, corrupted and tried to destroy Old Testament Israel's religion (the true religion at the time)
    6.  Tried to setup a global govt, only stopped by the Maccabees, who fought to keep the true religion alive.

    Freemasonic Modernists today worship the ancient Greeks, because they worship the same master (i.e. the devil).  The same errors today were pushed in Greece - science above religion, globalism, moral freedom, etc.  The ancient Greeks practiced Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ just as Nimrod did, when he tried to build the Tower of Babel.  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is worship of the devil, just like Catholicism is worship of the True God.  These 2 camps have been at war with each other since the times of Noah.


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    The other problem with your theory is that you are talking about well over half a millennium of Christian rule, in which the globe earth was unchallenged fact, under Catholic monarchs and holy popes. The entire civilized world, all of Christendom, has accepted the globe earth model for as long as they have even had to think about such things, since the beginning of the Age of Discovery, when they started to map the earth.
    No, there's lot of evidence that "globe earth" in past times did not refer to "ball earth" but the side-view of a flat eart/dome heaven.  So when people today see prior Catholics refer to a "globe" they misinterpret what is meant by a globe.  


    There have been multiple pictures posted on this site of famous paintings from the Middle Ages/Renaissance where Christ is shown holding the world, which is in the shape of a ball, but when you look at the detailed earth, it shows a side view of the flat earth/dome heaven (i.e. the firmament, as exactly described in Genesis).


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    When explorers started sailing all over the earth after Columbus, and mapping the continents and islands, they mapped them on globes.
    No way.  You can't sail around the world today using a compass unless you have some "correctional calculations" because a ball-earth's map is off.  Many old maps don't exist but those that do show a VERY different mapping of the world than our modern lies.