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How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« on: July 14, 2023, 06:08:31 PM »
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: July 14, 2023, 08:43:26 PM »
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  • What propels the sun through the air in the flat earth theory? And what makes it move in a circle? If you throw a rock through the air, it doesn't move in a circle. If you trace a line on the earth over the path it would take, the line would be perfectly straight. I am not aware of any object that moves in the air over the earth's surface in such a way that, if you were to trace its path on the ground, the path would be circular. The closest thing would be a boomerang, I guess, but even those things go in somewhat of a curve but definitely not a circle.

    And if there is no known case of any other object moving in such a manner, how do we know such movement is even physically possible?


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2023, 10:51:00 PM »
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  • What propels the sun through the air in the flat earth theory? And what makes it move in a circle? If you throw a rock through the air, it doesn't move in a circle. If you trace a line on the earth over the path it would take, the line would be perfectly straight. I am not aware of any object that moves in the air over the earth's surface in such a way that, if you were to trace its path on the ground, the path would be circular. The closest thing would be a boomerang, I guess, but even those things go in somewhat of a curve but definitely not a circle.

    And if there is no known case of any other object moving in such a manner, how do we know such movement is even physically possible?
    Most FE'ers posit an electromagnetic mechanism of some sort.    

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: July 14, 2023, 11:11:12 PM »
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  • What propels the sun through the air in the flat earth theory? And what makes it move in a circle? If you throw a rock through the air, it doesn't move in a circle. If you trace a line on the earth over the path it would take, the line would be perfectly straight. I am not aware of any object that moves in the air over the earth's surface in such a way that, if you were to trace its path on the ground, the path would be circular. The closest thing would be a boomerang, I guess, but even those things go in somewhat of a curve but definitely not a circle.

    And if there is no known case of any other object moving in such a manner, how do we know such movement is even physically possible?

    Hey Yeti,

    I'm not sure of the answer.  It appears that God put the lights IN the firmament and not in "outer space":

    13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was so done.

    and that the firmament is like crystal:

    "And over the heads of the living creatures was the likeness of the firmament, as the appearance of crystal terrible to behold, and stretched out over their heads above." [Ezechiel (Ezekiel) 1:22]

    Like a crystal dome.

    I've never heard of an explanation for these questions with regards to a ball earth either.

    What propels the sun through the air on a ball earth?

    Do you believe the earth is spinning or the sun revolves around the ball?  In either case, what propels it?

    Is there an explanation for what makes it go in a circle rather than another direction?


    Here is a quick vid showing how everything is in motion with the heliocentric model according to modern science.

    What is propelling everything at those unimaginable speeds shooting through "outer space" with no firmament?  How is it possible that the constellations remain the same year after year and polaris is always in a fixed spot above the North Pole?

    3min ball earther vid
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/IbTlQSTZUlXr/


    And this quick one shows the polaris phenomena:

    18sec flat earther vid
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/K2N5lchEvfP4/



    The crystal dome and stationary polaris fit more with this model:




    This shows how the firmament is a clock like a Wheel in the Sky with the constellations rotating as

    "signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" as it says in Genesis.  

    about 7min
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/dSxhHTX484Jj/


    It features a song by the rock band Journey called "Wheel in the Sky".  Some say it's Ezekiel's Wheel from Sacred Scripture but I haven't really looked into that.

    I believe Freemasons know this info and rock bands are all part of the Freemason club so they divulge bits of truth in their songs.

    There is also that Beatles song which says:

    But the fool on the hill sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head see the world spinning 'round (oh oh oh)
    'Round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round


    I was tipped off to the Freemason "secret knowledge of the adepts" when I was a flight attendant years ago asking some pilots questions such as

    "Why are we flying over the arctic?  This is wayyyy out of the way."

    And

    "Why is our flying time relatively the same when travelling cross country in either direction if the earth is spinning below us 1000 mph?"

    and

    "Why don't we make adjustments to the plane nose down if the earth is dropping in elevation below us as we travel over the curve?  If we don't make adjustments and we continue to fly level we will go straight out into space."

    Etc.

    The answers they gave were evasive and made no sense really.  

    The first officer seemed to have a conscience and didn't like lying to me and knew the explanations were lame so he blurted out chuckling, "Well you'd have to be a Freemason to know that."  

    The Captain looked at him like, "What did you just say?!!!"

    Then the Captain got all angry with me and demanded to know if I was a flat earther.

    This was in the 90's and I'd never heard of a Flat Earther and so I said, "No.  Just asking questions."

    He got all red in the face and said, "Well you sure sound like a flat earther.  ARE YOU SURE you aren't one?"

    It was bizarre.  Why did he snap and get all mad and start mocking me?  What is a Flat earther I wondered?  I had never heard of them.  What is a Freemason anyway, I wondered.  I had never even heard of them either.  Why did that come into the conversation??  :confused:  Why did he get mad at the FO for saying that???


    Anyway, there was no internet to look these things up back then and it wasn't until years later that my questions were answered by researching Biblical cosmology and flat earth and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

    They don't like it when secret knowledge is leaked to the "profane masses" which explains why the Captain got all mad and mocked me to shut down my questions, but it looks like they are starting to reveal things as part of the revelation of the hierarchy as we approach the "New Age".











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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2023, 05:25:28 AM »
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  • Just a question. 

    How do flat earthers explain Magellan, Drake and other ships that have circuмnavigated the world if it's not a globe?

    I don't understand how people believe this FE stuff.


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2023, 08:24:27 AM »
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  • Just a question.

    How do flat earthers explain Magellan, Drake and other ships that have circuмnavigated the world if it's not a globe?

    I don't understand how people believe this FE stuff.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/B4gnqkq416CW/

    Direct answers to your questions plus a history of the Catholic Church protecting the flat earth.  

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2023, 08:28:22 AM »
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  • Just a question.

    How do flat earthers explain Magellan, Drake and other ships that have circuмnavigated the world if it's not a globe?

    I don't understand how people believe this FE stuff.

    :facepalm:  I would have taking this as an honest question ... until your last sentence.  This is really one of the simplest things to address.  Whether you're on a globe or on a flat circle, in both cases you're simply going in a circle when you go around the earth.  Do you imagine the FE model is the Mercator Projection where it just suddenly stops on either side.  Perhaps if you'd educate yourself a bit first you'd be in more of a position to summarily reject "this FE stuff".

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2023, 08:30:30 AM »
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  • Hey Yeti,

    I'm not sure of the answer.  It appears that God put the lights IN the firmament and not in "outer space":

    That is how the Church Fathers all read it.  There was debate about what the firmament was made of, and whether sun/moon/starts moved through the firmament (and it was some kind of plasma-like substance) or else the firmament was so solid that nothing could move in it and so the entire firmament rotated, account for the motion of the heavenly bodies.


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2023, 08:36:54 AM »
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  • I don't agree that the sun/moon remain parallel to the earth.  I believe that they follow the shape of the firmament, being in it, which is shaped like a dome.  This would explain everything about the model, why the sun moves "faster" when it's farther South and slower in the North.  If the firmament makes a single revolution around the earth in 24 hours, and the firmament is shaped like a dome, then there would be a larger circuмference to traverse in the South, thus causing it to move faster ... not unlike how they say that the earth rotates faster closer to the equator.  This would also explain how the lengths of days are roughly the same in opposite seasons, but with a more diffused and less abrupt sunrise and sunset in the south.  So, even though it's moving faster in the South, the sun is also closer to the plane of the earth, and thus would disappear more quickly due to convergence with the horizon, atmospheric occlusion, etc.

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 AM »
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  • Great video.  If you look from 3:30 on, there's the video I had mentioned where the sun appears to be half set (half missing) and you can zoom back in on it and bring the entire sun back to you, proving that sunsets are due to perspective.  I mentioned this video to some clown here who kept arguing from the "common sense" and "your own senses" regarding sunsets.  There are also the sun "fadeout" videos, some of the best ones make by David Weiss, that show the sun disappearing and fading away while still over the horizon line.  Finally, there are videos taken in dry desert conditions showing the sun shrink very significantly as it "sets", which could not happen if it were 93 million miles away.

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2023, 09:01:55 AM »
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  • [video link]

    Direct answers to your questions plus a history of the Catholic Church protecting the flat earth. 
    Since this site is run by manifest heretics who describe themselves as promoters of reformed theology and followers of Calvin, it is certainly not a good source for the history of the Catholic Church.  Or the truth about anything really. Here is a quote from their site (which I am not linking to because I do not want to give them traffic):RReformed Theology teaches the doctrines of grace. The doctrines of grace are often called the five points of Calvinism. The five points are total depravity, unconditional election, particular redemption, effectual calling, and perseverance of the saints.


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2023, 09:16:30 AM »
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  • Since this site is run by manifest heretics who describe themselves as promoters of reformed theology and followers of Calvin, it is certainly not a good source for the history of the Catholic Church.  Or the truth about anything really. Here is a quote from their site (which I am not linking to because I do not want to give them traffic):RReformed Theology teaches the doctrines of grace. The doctrines of grace are often called the five points of Calvinism. The five points are total depravity, unconditional election, particular redemption, effectual calling, and perseverance of the saints.
    Because you're consistent you also reject and don't investigate anything atheists and freemasons say about creation correct? You dismiss everything NASA and other devilish institutions say right?

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2023, 09:22:12 AM »
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  • Since this site is run by manifest heretics who describe themselves as promoters of reformed theology and followers of Calvin, it is certainly not a good source for the history of the Catholic Church.  Or the truth about anything really. Here is a quote from their site (which I am not linking to because I do not want to give them traffic):RReformed Theology teaches the doctrines of grace. The doctrines of grace are often called the five points of Calvinism. The five points are total depravity, unconditional election, particular redemption, effectual calling, and perseverance of the saints.

    Naturally, some sources of good information are at odds with the truth philosophically, but the content of the video is basically sound, and accurate, or I wouldn't post it.

    Looking back, you've provided non-Catholic sources, that also happen to be inaccurate.   

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2023, 10:11:14 AM »
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  • What propels the sun through the air in the flat earth theory? And what makes it move in a circle? If you throw a rock through the air, it doesn't move in a circle.

    Uhm, the firmament is a globe that rotates in a circle around the earth, and the heavenly bodies are in the firmament.  And yet you believe (from faith in the scientists) that some magical force causes the planets to circle around the sun.

    None of the Globers actually believe in the firmament described by Sacred Scripture, all the Church Fathers, and even St. Thomas Aquinas (who is often cited by Globers in favor of ball earth). 

    Where's the firmament?  Where are the waters (H2O) above said firmament?  No, the firmament is not just "space", as Sungenis said.  Sacred Scripture clearly describes its properties.  It's solid enough to prevent waters from flooding the earth.  Nor are these waters above the firmament metaphorical waters, since the account of the Flood explains that gates in the firmament were opened to allow these waters (that contributed to Flood waters) fall down onto the earth.

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: July 15, 2023, 10:21:25 AM »
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  • I am not aware of any object that moves in the air over the earth's surface in such a way that, if you were to trace its path on the ground, the path would be circular.

    Start at the 1-minute mark:


    There are more things in heaven and on earth than are dream of in your philosophy.  You act as if "science" has it all figured out.  They don't really know what the sun actually is.  It could be an electromagnetic charged plasma entity rather than a solid ball of nuclear fusion.  There's a top scientist out there, Dr. Robitaille, who convincingly demonstrates that the prevailing model of the sun (nothing but theory, but taught as fact) is total bunk.  I find the "Electric Universe" model much more convincing.  Nor do we really know what exactly is at the core of the earth, as no one has dug down more than 9 miles.  It's nothing but theory that there's this rotating iron core in the center.

    Unfortunately, there's too much brain "vapor lock" created by individuals who hold things like the modern theory about the sun or about gravity or other "scientific" theories as if they were fact.  That's because they were taught in school that these things are fact.