1. The FE model isn't as bad or non-existent as you make out.
2. It's better than the current Globe model!
3. I reject your whole premise. So until I figure out exactly what happened (who/when/what) on the morning of 9/11, we just have to go along and assume the Official Story is correct? BULLCRAP! I can call BS without having the truth in my back pocket. I am allowed to call out lies without knowing the full and complete truth of the matter.

So if a child lies to his father about what happened to the living room, the father can't attack or condemn the lies until he knows exactly what DID happen? Until he has "an accurate, working model" or version of what happened? Again, NO.

Yes it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. But if you don't have a match or other light source handy, you ARE allowed to just curse the darkness. It's better than nothing -- better than embracing the darkness.

You seem to be stuck on the original adage -- "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." And furthermore, you're expecting WAY TOO MUCH about what an adequate candle consists of.

This is patently untrue. Give me a “to scale” map that gives the correct distances of and between land masses and oceans. The global model without question does that.

That's all you ever say, over and over again, despite the fact that we've repeatedly exposed the logical fallacy there.  It's possible to falsify the Globe Model without having a completely accurate FE model.  We start with the finding that the earth is in fact flat, and then take that into account when developing the alternative model hypothesis, but the Globe Model remains falsified, whether or not the new model works or works 100%.

And the only other argument you've offered is that "common sense" and looking at sunsets proves the globe.  That is such nonsense.  Lots of things can account for visual observations.  I've posted video where the sun looks like it has half set, but then the camera zooms in and you can see the entire sun still visible above the horizon, proving as fact that visual phenomena such as perspective and convergence with the horizon, refraction, distortion due to atmosphere, etc. can all play a role in what one "sees" when looking at a sunset.  I've also posted video taken from the dry deserts of Afghanistan that show the sun dramatically decreasing in size as it moves toward the horizon, which is not possible with a huge sun that's 93 million miles away, as even if it goes 10,000 miles farther from the observer, it would result in like a .001% decrease in size.

So between your logically fallacious "you need a model" and the "just look at a sunset", you've really got nothing.

Please, please, please! Stop this nonsense! You’ve exposed nothing whatsoever, logical fallacy, indeed! YOU DON’T PROMOTE A THEORY WITHOUT A REASONABLE MODEL. PERIOD! 

“Without having a completely accurate FE model”??? Are you serious? You have NO model at all, NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.

I’ve notice, and I’m sure other have too, that you keep ignoring my *huge* objection to any FE model that has been posted: THE DISTANCES ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO RECONCILE. Instead of answering my objection, you attack the global model.

The sizes of continents, the distances between land masses and oceans have demonstrably been measured by thousands of unique people mostly unconnected with any government. THAT IS NOT AND CANNOT BE A CONSPIRACY.

You are a man supposedly completely concerned with logic and you can’t grasp this concept?

The Gleason map, that you keep posting and then *disavow*, is an absolute joke. You at least, kind of, admit this, but sadly it’s all you have.

You can poo poo the globe model all you want, but you can’t deny that it at least works in theory, while you have no model whatsoever.

Andy, please stop posting that nonsense. It isn't helpful to anyone. No FE believer or promoter believes in that crap.

Straw man fallacies are worse than useless, actually harmful, on a "discussion forum" where the purported aim is for everyone to arrive at the truth of things.

So this is you who deletes my posts. How nice. That was a sincere question though, where I can find FE version of Earth's map ....

Plenty of models are 50% accurate.  You just complain about the other 50% not being fleshed out (yet).

Yes, there are many con artists in the FE world, just as with any non-mainstream view, even in the Trad world.  But overall, FE makes way more Scriptural sense, it aligns with ancient peoples’ world view, and it contradicts the Greek/Copernican model which is luciferian (sun worship) and leads to athieism (ie life on other planets, etc). 

I know this isn't a solid proof, but let's just say it makes you think:

Can you think of ONE OTHER CASE. JUST ONE, where Big G (giu-tube) serves the good of humanity and the cause of Truth by putting up warnings on their videos?

I mean, they correct any videos going against the C0v|d agenda, the White slaughterfest in yoo-krane, "we're all gonna die" man-caused Climate change, and Globe earth. In all 4 cases, they're on the side of evil. There might be others as well, on topics like Evolution.

When do they EVER take a break and attack something that is actually erroneous and/or evil? I'm still waiting for ONE, just ONE case. Please teach me. I'd love to learn and to be proven wrong on this.

Just saw this…..

What I believe:

The GE model accurately accounts for:

1) Movements of the Sun and Moon.

2) Phases of the Moon.

3) Accurate distances between oceans.

4) Accurate sizes of continents.

5) Accurate predictions of solar and lunar eclipses.

6) Accurately depicts sunrise and sunset.

7) There are many more things, but I will stop here.

The FE “model” does not and cannot give answers to these things, thus the FE theory is false UNLESS a model can be made to overcome these difficulties which seems to me impossible. If you try to answer some of these objections by saying that the Moon is translucent or that the Sun is a quasi spotlight, I will dismiss the argument outright unless the objector has proof from his own observations. In other words, get your hands on a telescope or shut up.

The only “proof” FE adherents on Cathinfo have for rejecting the GE model is basically videos from YouTube. That’s it. No observations or experiments of their own.

BTW, assuming that some YouTube videos are correct, I will be willing to investigate another proposal, like a huge Earth. However, I think a much more plausible explanation is that the videos are inaccurate, purposely falsified, or disinformation perpetrated by the conspirators or possibly a combination of the three.

Your criteria is just like the atheist who has to see God for himself in order to believe in Him and even then he'd say it's just an illusion like you convince yourself the videos must be fake.

Not to get into a debate with you, because you've decided you don't want to be convinced, but the globe model of eclipses is disproven by selenelions and I dispute the rest of your assertions.

I can make my own list which you'd throw out out of hand as well. The list would start with the fact that we have a firmament and you don't. That our model can have breathable air because it's contained by the firmament while in your fantasyland the air should disperse into the infinite vacuum of space.

Not to get into a debate with you, because you've decided you don't want to be convinced, ...

Bottom line right here.  He assumes that the Globe Model accounts for X, Y, Z ... but while it accounts for some of it, there are some series problems that falsify it, and he won't debate those points but keeps coming back to this.  He's decided (brainwashed by the propaganda) that the earth must be a Globe, and everything else is just pure and simple confirmation bias.

He also assumes that FE model cannot account for any/most of those things, and that's patently false and just demonstrates that he's never actually seriously looked into the points under contention.

I know this isn't a solid proof, but let's just say it makes you think:

Can you think of ONE OTHER CASE. JUST ONE, where Big G (giu-tube) serves the good of humanity and the cause of Truth by putting up warnings on their videos?

I mean, they correct any videos going against the C0v|d agenda, the White slaughterfest in yoo-krane, "we're all gonna die" man-caused Climate change, and Globe earth. In all 4 cases, they're on the side of evil. There might be others as well, on topics like Evolution.

When do they EVER take a break and attack something that is actually erroneous and/or evil? I'm still waiting for ONE, just ONE case. Please teach me. I'd love to learn and to be proven wrong on this.

It could be because belief in FE is one of a few gateways to becoming a believer in conspiracy theories and God. They don't want people becoming Christians or looking into conspiracy theories that may make them at least harder to control if not wise to some of the real cօռspιʀαcιҽs. It doesn't matter if the earth is a globe or not. Believing in something so strange and against common belief as a FE universe will break down the barriers to believing almost any CT and makes it much harder to be an atheist. 

My concern is that when people realize they were deceived by something they believed so strongly in, and are pointed towards another reasonable enough "truth" as the real truth (whether it is the real truth or not), they will latch onto the new truth all the more than to the previous one, and be open and eager to believe any other "truth" that is revealed by whatever source converted them from their previous beliefs, or any other "truth" that goes against their previous belief. The problem is when they end up converting to a lie, or latch onto some lies with a stronger hold than is deserved, so that they can't ever be convinced of the real truth especially if that means converting back to what they originally believed.

The FE's will often put too much faith in what may be little more than a negative doubt or some proof by conspiracy when they are not an insider of the conspiracy, so they don't know what the intent is. Examples: NASA lies, Google censoring, gov cooperation to keep people from Antarctica.

Positive proof for FE may be long distance viewing of things that should be hidden by the curve, but that doesn't thoroughly rule out optical illusion or a larger than advertised globe. Positive proof for globe earth may be observing southern hemisphere stars circling the south pole, or the sun casting shadows and light up onto clouds from below during sunset & sunrise.