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Offline Thed0ctor

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How does the sun in FE cast shadows
« on: September 17, 2023, 07:24:51 AM »
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    • So I just watched and found it to be interesting. In GE you would think the sun setting would be close to a door shutting where the light kind of goes out like a switch maybe with some dimming due to the atmosphere.  One comment that I saw was saying the model isn't accurate against FE because I'm FE the sun circles above meaning the shadows should be cast at different angles as the sun moves. I thought this was a good question to address and would like some clarity on it. I'm guessing in FE the arc the sun makes as it circles above is wide enough to seem straight or something? Or maybe it doesn't take a circular path depicted in a lot of FE videos. Just wanting to know how this works exactly. 
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2023, 08:02:15 AM »
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2023, 08:14:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on September 17, 2023, 08:02:15 AM
    https://youtu.be/IHAtHTxH6Jo?feature=shared
    I saw this one. Very convincing, can't think of an excuse around it tbh. How is this consistent with a circular path of the sun in the sky though? Or is there an alternative path the sun takes in FE that's similar to GE?
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2023, 08:21:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Thed0ctor on September 17, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
    I saw this one. Very convincing, can't think of an excuse around it tbh. How is this consistent with a circular path of the sun in the sky though? Or is there an alternative path the sun takes in FE that's similar to GE?
    I don't know enough to explain features of FE in detail, however, you don't have to be a genius to see the massive holes in the globe theory.

    Maybe this video will be of use to you: https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/How-do-Seasons-Work-on-Flat-Earth-:1
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 09:57:22 AM »
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    • As I’ve said many many times, you NEED an accurate working model before you can promote a theory. There isn’t one for FE. Distances between oceans and continents can and have been measured. No FE map, that I’m aware of, comes remotely close to providing a reasonable representation of distances between oceans and continents. None. The theory is dead from the get go.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2023, 10:13:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 17, 2023, 09:57:22 AM
    As I’ve said many many times, you NEED an accurate working model before you can promote a theory. There isn’t one for FE. Distances between oceans and continents can and have been measured. No FE map, that I’m aware of, comes remotely close to providing a reasonable representation of distances between oceans and continents. None. The theory is dead from the get go.

    1. The FE model isn't as bad or non-existent as you make out.
    2. It's better than the current Globe model!
    3. I reject your whole premise. So until I figure out exactly what happened (who/when/what) on the morning of 9/11, we just have to go along and assume the Official Story is correct? BULLCRAP! I can call BS without having the truth in my back pocket. I am allowed to call out lies without knowing the full and complete truth of the matter.

    So if a child lies to his father about what happened to the living room, the father can't attack or condemn the lies until he knows exactly what DID happen? Until he has "an accurate, working model" or version of what happened? Again, NO.

    Yes it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. But if you don't have a match or other light source handy, you ARE allowed to just curse the darkness. It's better than nothing -- better than embracing the darkness.

    You seem to be stuck on the original adage -- "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." And furthermore, you're expecting WAY TOO MUCH about what an adequate candle consists of.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2023, 10:41:45 AM »
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    As I’ve said many many times, you NEED an accurate working model before you can promote a theory.
    The 'globe model' is not accurate either.  So, at present, there are 0 accurate models.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2023, 10:44:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 17, 2023, 10:13:24 AM
    1. The FE model isn't as bad or non-existent as you make out.
    2. It's better than the current Globe model!
    3. I reject your whole premise. So until I figure out exactly what happened (who/when/what) on the morning of 9/11, we just have to go along and assume the Official Story is correct? BULLCRAP! I can call BS without having the truth in my back pocket. I am allowed to call out lies without knowing the full and complete truth of the matter.

    So if a child lies to his father about what happened to the living room, the father can't attack or condemn the lies until he knows exactly what DID happen? Until he has "an accurate, working model" or version of what happened? Again, NO.

    Yes it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. But if you don't have a match or other light source handy, you ARE allowed to just curse the darkness. It's better than nothing -- better than embracing the darkness.

    You seem to be stuck on the original adage -- "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." And furthermore, you're expecting WAY TOO MUCH about what an adequate candle consists of.

    THIS^^^.  I've made the same point with him and he just ignored it and keeps reposting his "model" contention.  Globe Model has many problems with, but Quo just applies his confirmation bias to pretend that it's 100% accurate, but in reality he doesn't know enough about either model to be able to actually give details.  He just keep reiterating this "model" claim like a mindless parrot.  It was like on another thread where he just kept pasting in his "450 years" nonsense.

    Even if the FE Model is not complete and has lots of gaps, this doesn't mean that the Globe Model has not been falsified.  Globe is falsified by all the evidence presented by FEs, so there's a false dilemma dichotomy here too, assuming that unless the FE model can be 100% complete, the GE model is true.

    Fallacy:  petitio principii Begging the Question that the GE model is accurate or true.

    Fallacy: falsum dilemma + argumentum ad ignorantiam False Dilemma or False Dichotomy combined with argument to ignorance, where if the FE Model isn't 100% accurate, then the GE model is 100% accurate.

    Bottom Line:  Globe Model is falsified, whether or not the FE model is 100% adequate.

    After all, isn't that the "scientific method"?  Once something has been falsified, you come up with another hypothesis, and then the hypothesis can be revised as new measurements, finding, and evidence is brought to light ... until it too is completely falsified and another hypothesis has to be proposed.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2023, 10:53:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 17, 2023, 10:41:45 AM
    The 'globe model' is not accurate either.  So, at present, there are 0 accurate models.

    That's precisely what FEs argue, that the Globe Model has been falsified.  Instead of refuting the argument for why the Globe has been falsified, he begs the question, assumes it's true until an FE Model can be presented that's 100% accurate.

    When developing a model, one of the key characteristics of this model is Globe-Shaped vs Flat.  FEs present evidence that the shape of the earth is flat, not globe.  This finding, this evidence, falsifies the Globe Model.  Once that's falsified, as per the scientific method, we now hypothesize another model that takes into account the empirical findings that the earth is in fact flat.  We don't have to prove it 100% to falsify the globular shape of the earth.

    Now, if Quo wanted to present a different model, where we live on a globe, but it's 100x larger than the current Globe Model, then more power to him.  He would then try to present evidence in favor of that hypothesis.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2023, 11:00:55 AM »
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    • That there is no curvature, that the Earth is not globular, is 100% proven. Because what's not curved is flat that means that the Earth is flat is 100% proven.

    There is even a working model of the FE which is just not fully fleshed out.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2023, 11:01:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 17, 2023, 09:57:22 AM
    As I’ve said many many times, ...

    That's all you ever say, over and over again, despite the fact that we've repeatedly exposed the logical fallacy there.  It's possible to falsify the Globe Model without having a completely accurate FE model.  We start with the finding that the earth is in fact flat, and then take that into account when developing the alternative model hypothesis, but the Globe Model remains falsified, whether or not the new model works or works 100%.

    And the only other argument you've offered is that "common sense" and looking at sunsets proves the globe.  That is such nonsense.  Lots of things can account for visual observations.  I've posted video where the sun looks like it has half set, but then the camera zooms in and you can see the entire sun still visible above the horizon, proving as fact that visual phenomena such as perspective and convergence with the horizon, refraction, distortion due to atmosphere, etc. can all play a role in what one "sees" when looking at a sunset.  I've also posted video taken from the dry deserts of Afghanistan that show the sun dramatically decreasing in size as it moves toward the horizon, which is not possible with a huge sun that's 93 million miles away, as even if it goes 10,000 miles farther from the observer, it would result in like a .001% decrease in size.

    So between your logically fallacious "you need a model" and the "just look at a sunset", you've really got nothing.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2023, 11:26:24 AM »
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    • Andy, please stop posting that nonsense. It isn't helpful to anyone. No FE believer or promoter believes in that crap. 

    Straw man fallacies are worse than useless, actually harmful, on a "discussion forum" where the purported aim is for everyone to arrive at the truth of things.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2023, 12:27:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 17, 2023, 11:26:24 AM
    ... is for everyone to arrive at the truth of things.
    Which happens to be globular proven by how the sun casts shadows in the real world.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #13 on: September 17, 2023, 12:30:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on September 17, 2023, 12:27:38 PM
    Which happens to be globular proven by how the sun casts shadows in the real world.

    Do explain. I'm not convinced. I'm outside many hours each day. I look at all kinds of shadows cast by the sun, and it doesn't scream "We live on a spinning ball" to me, at least.
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    Re: How does the sun in FE cast shadows
    « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2023, 12:39:04 PM »
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    • I already have. That globe earth casting a shadow simulation video did a good job, and my comments on that video explain it. It might be in the fake birds thread.
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