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Under the pretense of piety and spiritual edification, CI flat-earthers (especially happenby) have been promoting the ongoing falsehood that their fantasyland is somehow beneficial for Catholics. There are THOUSANDS of website pages online that prove the opposite is the case. Atheists and anti-Catholics use this material for ridicule and contumely against Holy Mother Church.
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Here are some examples of this trend which has been going on for several years, all ready.
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What do flat-earthers believe is on the other side of the flat earth
and why hasn't anyone ever explored it (or the edge?)?
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Source (https://www.quora.com/What-do-flat-earthers-believe-is-on-the-other-side-of-the-flat-earth-and-why-hasnt-anyone-ever-explored-it-or-the-edge) May 12, 2017 <---That's over a year ago!
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On a "flat Earth", what is under the bedrock?
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Hmm … according to flatearthism, there should be 3 possibilities:
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After further analysis (youtube), experimentation (youtube) and meditation (exhaustion-induced delirium), I fine-tuned the findings, and here’s the religiously scientific elaboration!
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1. Fire
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It’s Hell down there! Hell is the boiler that powers the flat Earth! You thought it was a disk? It’s a cylinder! Only the top is flat. This rocket-like planet is accelerating at 9.8 m/s, courtesy of Hell Motors Inc. power boosters! It will reach heaven on doomsday, when it crashes against heaven and all souls are released! Also, Hell will expand and be firmly established under heaven!
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So the hot stuff powers the sun and moon with ‘soulium’, it’s a concentrate of angry and agonizing souls. Since the number of souls increases in Hell, the sun is getting hotter, thus climate warming/changes! It also reinforces the Dome. Ah! Holy Soulium, you save us all!
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Edit: After the number of views, I put a little more effort into the answer! Here are some depictions:
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(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-10363888f244e8f72f16e4eb44892632.webp)
These "Hell Boosters" propel flat-earth upward
to provide the acceleration we measure as gravity.
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2. Water
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The waters are the universe! When God created Earth, he placed the disc at the bottom of the deep! You though it was shaped as a missile? Think again, it’s shape is that of a buoy, made to stay straight up. The ascension is what powers the sun and the moon by rotation of the dome. The dome is not just a protective capsule, its a turbine!
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On day 1, the earth started accelerating up, at a constant rate of 9.8m/s. This giant ocean is at the bottom of heavens, when the Earth reaches the surface, its sudden stop and splashing will cause the end of the world and the rapture for the believers! The remains of the planet will turn into Hell!
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(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9837b51c15f867c511cca20feed68826.webp)
Here are "Hell Boosters" that work as water jets!
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3. Void
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The earth is the only thing in the universe! There’s a Mega Dome around, outside of the dome (floating or painted on the mega dome), that contains the manifestation (energy, lights, angel, heavenly beasts, you chose it) of all other “space phenomena” scientists, astronomorons, astronots and all other ball-heads say to be out there! The supper dome is the limits of the heavens. What the smart pants call gravity, is the effect of the Heavelevator* pulling the Earth to its final destination. The speed of the pull is constant, like an elevator, you wont feel any acceleration, because there’s none. It’s a constant speed!
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When the Earth reaches the top, it will break through it and cause the End of the World, and rupture-rapture at the same time, it will all last 0.0098 s. In an instant you’ll be either in Hell or Heaven!
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(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9f2136a3f818ad9f8af223d69feedd5f.webp)
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* Note that the line connected to the dome is the canal , direct link to heaven! So when the good die, their souls are transported through it! This is the Heavelevator, a super strong tube to Heaven. Spirits use it to access the material world!
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EDIT: Many have pointed to the space turtles and I think they are cute! Mr. Bubbles & generations are a bit old school, so I kind of let it pass! Modern Flat-Earth theories don’t include them anymore, what a shame!
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(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd6264f29835b79c71fac2be54b2a7f4.webp)
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Image: Page 2 of the “Flat Earth Coloring Book,” illustrating some of the various cosmologies of the flat Earth crowd. Note the Turtle. Remember, “Sonny, it’s turtles all the way down.”
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What, you are expecting a thoroughly-developed, coherent, consistent theory? The Flat Earthers (hereinafter, FEs) are all over the map on these things (map . . . get it?) They have several different theories, each more imaginative than the last, but what they say doesn’t matter, because . . . .
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None of their theories has any evidentiary basis, so it really doesn’t matter what they think is under there. The FEs say that we can’t see what’s underneath the Earth, can’t reach underneath the Earth, can’t send any kind of remote sensing there (there is no such thing as space, so there’s no such thing as a satellite, you see), so that we will never be able to observe it, directly or indirectly. Accordingly, even less constrained by evidence than their other pervasively irrational and falsehood-filled blatherings, their fanciful and unsupported imaginings of what mysteries lie beneath are even more fanciful and unsupported than their fanciful and unsupported imaginings about everything else.
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As for why no one has ever explored the underside or the edge . . . .
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The underside is inaccessible. Why? Because it IS. What good is an underside of the world if you could go there, right? WHAT do you think would keep you from falling? You would fall into the . . . um . . . er . . . one or more of the following: eternal sea of blackness, chaotic void, Stygian darkness, eternal Hell of fire and brimstone and nothing on TV but reruns of My Mother The Car, infinite stack of turtles, incomprehensible realm meant never to be seen by human eyes, the mess that lives underneath my computer desk, etc.
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Then, we have the Edge of the World, of which no one has ever managed to produce a photo or video or other first-hand evidence. The party line on that is that it has been explored but—as part of the global conspiracy to hide the true nature of the world from the whole human race—the real observations of the real explorers were hushed up and bogus tales of reaching the South Pole invented for the explorers by professional writers.
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Oooooooooohhhhhh. It’s a conspiracyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! What a novel explanation. The logic is perfect, “We can’t produce evidence for our belief because the conspiracy has operated with perfect efficiency to destroy or hide or discredit all such evidence. Accordingly, the absence of any evidence to support us is evidence to support us. That makes perfect sense, right?”
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Let’s look at that amazing logic from another perspective. Let’s say we are talking about unicorns and have the following discussion: Person 1—A Unicorn has been here. Person 2—Why do you say that? There aren’t any hoofprints. Person 1—Unicorns are magical. They don’t leave hoofprints or any other marks on the ground. And, look, there aren’t any hooprints or other marks here, so I know the unicorn has come through. Person 1—[gives up all hope of having an intelligent conversation and walks away].
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There is no Occam’s Razor in the Flat Earth crowd. They think Occam’s Razor is what Occam uses to shave his face.
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And, don’t hold your breath for new evidence because, brace yourselves for a big surprise here, the World Wide Conspiracy to Hide the Nature of the World from the Raggedy Assed Masses makes sure that no one can get near the edge. Now, all approaches to the edge are ceaselessly guarded by a great lidless eye that never sleeps.
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Actually, I just made up the lidless eye part, but they do say it is ceaselessly guarded by, take your pick, the US Navy, the US Coast Guard, UN Naval Forces, an International Joint Force consisting of ships from many nations, plus Captain Jack Sparrow and the Kracken. Sorry about the Jack Sparrow and Kracken part. This stuff just gets me swept up and I got carried away from one fantasy to the next. Whatever is guarding the Rim of the World, You Can’t Go There!
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Just try it, and you’ll see what the FEs are talking about. According to them, you’ll never get close before someone intercepts you and puts you in the super secret cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in Greenland where they keep the “really dangerous people” who pose the greatest threat to keeping the lid on the true nature of the Earth.
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Let’s see what this world traveler has to say about it:
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(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc40a27ba5a7cc487592ab121e7706c6.webp)
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“One does not simply walk into Antarctica. It’s guarded by US Navy SEALS, US Army Special Forces, elite US Marines, British SAS commandos, Russian Speznatz, the French Foreign Legion, the Vatican Swiss Guard, and 20,000 trained killer penguins.” Boromir, Son of Denethor, at the Counsel of Elrond, October 25, 3018 T.A. (1398 Shire Reckoning).
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Well, there you go. They can bleat their nonsense eternally without fear of the kind of “this will convince even a kindergarten kid who wants you to shut up so he can eat his ice cream evidence” that they consider adequate proof of the spherical nature of the Earth. Yet, oh so conveniently, you can’t go any of the places that will show the FE theories to be false. Or, if you do go there and come back with evidence that the Earth does not have an edge or that it is round and you know because you orbited it in the International Space Station for five months, they will simply say that you are lying and your evidence is faked, and your photos were done with Photoshop, and you’re just a great big huge gigantic meanie-head for telling the whole world that their ideas are absurd.
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Oh, and it’s OK for them to say that everyone who works for NASA is a lying felon, that all the folks who navigate based on a round earth are lying, that the astronauts (including the ones from Apollo 1, Challenger, and Columbia) and the entire Earth and Space science community of the entire world is on the take to support some vast nefarious conspiracy . . . but if you call them out on it and say that they are individuals of less than sterling character for attacking the good name of so many people based on such worthless evidence, then they go crying to the Moderator because you hurted their itsy bitsy wittle tiny feewings.
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Maybe it’s just turtles all the way down.
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This one tells of pride for not being burdened with silly religious beliefs, and this way life is much simpler and enjoyable.
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Answered Jun 16, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Are-there-REALLY-people-who-still-believe-the-Earth-is-flat/answer/J-Richard-Jacobs)
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Originally Answered: How can people believe that the earth is flat? (https://www.quora.com/How-can-people-believe-that-the-earth-is-flat?no_redirect=1)
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How can people ‘believe’ anything? Well, some beliefs are necessary. We call those mundane beliefs. An example of a mundane belief would be that the car will start in the morning. We believe that so we don’t have to worry about it all night. That sort of belief keeps us from suffering cognitive overload. Mundane belief is flexible. When the key is turned and the car doesn’t start, we have no trouble at all dropping that belief and immediately embark upon solving the problem. As quickly as we release a mundane belief, we reset it with the same ease.
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More rigid beliefs, like religion, politics, superstitions, etc. are a different animal. In this kind of belief, information contrary to the belief must be twisted to fit within the belief system, denied for a broad range of reasons, or simply ignored. If one or any combination of the three is not done it causes cognitive dissonance for the believer. The mind is quite clever when it comes to protecting itself and is capable of substantially altering reality all by itself — no drugs or mushrooms required.
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I’m one of those happy folks who holds no beliefs beyond the mundane and life is comfortable most of the time. For the believer, life is a constant balancing act that places all sorts of demands for mental gymnastics, but they manage this with extreme ease as they go along adjusting reality to suit as each bit of new information/evidence comes into view. So, that’s how people can believe the Earth is flat.
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Apparently, Neil is terrified that anti-Catholics ridicule what they don't believe. Um...ok.
He also advocates mundane existence of accepting all that science feeds us, pretending that it is actualy those who believe flat earth who change their minds and live in a mundane mindset. Otherwise, why post this ridiculous post about the mundane? What he draws from it borders on the retarded. It is Catholic flat earthers who refuse change, who stand for something, who defend Scripture, especially when modern science is changing everything constantly. Copernicus is a hero for his heliocentric paradigm and its 3,000,000 mile away sun. After jumping up in size throughout the years, it's closing in on a billion miles. And who's changing? NASA went to the moon in the 60's, but now they can't get out of low earth orbit. Nixon phoned the moon with no delay or bad reception, but now they can't back there to initiate a call to the current president. Maybe they can call Verizon to hook them up. Everything the ball earth model is based on (modern science) is change, and most of it is lies. Twisted minds always blame others for what they themselves are doing.
Neil is hoisted on his own petard.
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(NOTE: In these messages when they say "the Society" they're not talking about the SSPX!)
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Re:
“Why can't ISS take a pic of Earth and prove it to flat earth Society that Earth is not really flat?”
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Answered Jul 27, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-the-ISS-take-a-picture-of-Earth-and-prove-to-the-Flat-Earth-Society-that-Earth-is-not-really-flat/answer/Phil-Boettge)
NASA has already done that many times. NASA does even better than that. NASA livestreams the orbiting International Space Station seven days a week, 24 hours a day:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk&feature=player_embedded_uturn
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Flat earthers simply deny reality. This is just like church officials who looked through Galileo’s telescopes and promptly exclaimed that the images of moons around Jupiter had to be false images painted by Galileo on his telescope lenses.
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The flat earth belief is a cult religion that rejects empirical evidence.
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Answered Sep 23, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-the-ISS-take-a-picture-of-Earth-and-prove-to-the-Flat-Earth-Society-that-Earth-is-not-really-flat/answer/Cristina-L%C3%B3pez-7)
They already have. There are several images and videos taken from ISS windows showing a clear round earth and not only we have footage from the ISS but also from many other probes and satellites.
However, no matter how many evidences you show to them, they will always tell you that that's a fake photo or video and that NASA or any other space agency are the devil who is taking so much advantage of humanity by fooling us about earth’s real shape.
I guess some people just need to be part of a community with a very strong opinion to be part of, even if it is the most illogical theory they've ever heard.
I wonder what do they believe to be under the “flat earth”. Hell? Some other world? Middle Earth? I guess that sounds more logical to them than a simple round earth made after logical physical processes.
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Answered Jul 27, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-the-ISS-take-a-picture-of-Earth-and-prove-to-the-Flat-Earth-Society-that-Earth-is-not-really-flat/answer/Mike-Riley-43)
Why can't ISS take a pic of Earth and prove it to flat earth Society that Earth is not really flat?
Simple: Flat Earth Society members KNOW that the Earth is an oblate spheroid. They are pulling your leg.
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Where I believe the Society members get their greatest joy is in convincing less intelligent, less educated people that the “globe Earth” is truly a conspiracy set forth by the Deep State, Illuminati, or the Vatican.
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It never ceases to amaze me how gullible some folks can be.
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Read the channel description under the live stream video ("Is Earth flat? NO!" kind of thing -- "religion and superstition" is one category, you see, a thing not to be trusted, but what we should prefer is "scientific truth" of course!):
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk&feature=player_embedded_uturn
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Apparently, Neil is terrified that anti-Catholics ridicule what they don't believe. Um...ok.
He also advocates mundane existence of accepting all that science feeds us, pretending that it is actualy those who believe flat earth who change their minds and live in a mundane mindset. Otherwise, why post this ridiculous post about the mundane? What he draws from it borders on the retarded. It is Catholic flat earthers who refuse change, who stand for something, who defend Scripture, especially when modern science is changing everything constantly. Copernicus is a hero for his heliocentric paradigm and its 3,000,000 mile away sun. After jumping up in size throughout the years, it's closing in on a billion miles. And who's changing? NASA went to the moon in the 60's, but now they can't get out of low earth orbit. Nixon phoned the moon with no delay or bad reception, but now they can't back there to initiate a call to the current president. Maybe they can call Verizon to hook them up. Everything the ball earth model is based on (modern science) is change, and most of it is lies. Twisted minds always blame others for what they themselves are doing.
Neil is hoisted on his own petard.
Don't tell me, you're upset over my diagram of your "flat" earth, right? (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9f2136a3f818ad9f8af223d69feedd5f.webp)
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So funny :jester: Still trying to run away from the discussion? Your twisted behavior fits the pattern of a psychopath. Get help.
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Looks like happenby has chosen not to heed advice to get help. Oh, well.
Here a contributor ridicules flat-earthers for misrepresenting "truth" and for "faith" and "belief" -- all with religious overtones.
The 6,000 year age of a "young earth" and claims of proving your beliefs wrong all criticize Catholic religion.
IOW it is a criticism of religious sensibilities, which ridicules the Church, indirectly.
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Source (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Earth-flat-or-spherical-Logically-what-makes-more-sense-is-an-Earth-that-is-a-flat-stationary-plane-or-an-Earth-that-is-a-spinning-spherical-ball?no_redirect=1)
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Answered Jun 12, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Earth-flat-or-spherical-Logically-what-makes-more-sense-is-an-Earth-that-is-a-flat-stationary-plane-or-an-Earth-that-is-a-spinning-spherical-ball?no_redirect=1)
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Is the Earth flat or spherical? Logically, what makes more sense: An Earth that is a flat, stationary plane, or an Earth that is a spinning, spherical ball?
You state in your question details: “A Spherical Earth would require gravity, which we don’t see or cannot prove.”
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I challenge the truth of that statement and here is an easy way to prove how much faith you actually have in that belief. Go to the roof of a 10 story or higher building and jump to the concrete below. If there is no gravity you will be fine.
You might come back with, “There is no gravity; the Flat Earth is accelerating upward at 9.81 meters/sec^2.”
Since we know the Earth has been around for between 6,000 years (not really) and 4.5 billion years, we would be traveling at as close to the speed of light as imaginable, yet celestial bodies are not flying by us at an insane rate due to this ever increasing speed.
You claim Occam’s Razor, but if the Earth is accelerating upward at 9.81 meters/sec^2, what is the force that is accelerating us? Is it no more visible and “provable” than gravity? and where is the evidence…we can easily watch the other planets and Jupiter’s moons thru strong binoculars and they all follow the laws of gravity so you are making Earth a special case…on what basis do you add this bizarre complexity?
It is obvious to anyone looking objectively at the evidence that the Earth is spheroid and we are being attracted to it by gravity, just as all the other planets, moons, asteroids, etc., are behaving.
If you measure the Sun as being directly overhead, this only happens at the right time of year in the tropics. The farther north or south you go, the more the seasonal variation. This has been measured, recorded and provable for 1000’s of years and can be done today.
If your flat horizon meme was correct, you would be able to see the Rocky Mountains and Himilayas from Toronto, Canada with a telescope, or the CN Tower from New York. Guess what? You can’t.
You are entitled to your beliefs no matter how easily proven wrong they are, but your brain health and quality of life would probably improve if you decided to be open minded and look at the evidence around you objectively. My best wishes to you.
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Here's another one scoffing at religion - Christian "belief" is a weakness! (w/r/t means with respect to)
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Stephen Sywak (https://www.quora.com/profile/Stephen-Sywak), Chief Cook and Bottle Washer at Sywak Technical Services (2017-present)
Answered Jul 5, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Is-Earth-flat-or-spherical-1/answer/Stephen-Sywak)
Originally Answered: Is the earth really round, or is it flat? There are many arguments about this by the Flat Earth Society. (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-earth-really-round-or-is-it-flat-There-are-many-arguments-about-this-by-the-Flat-Earth-Society?no_redirect=1)
The earth is an oblate spheroid.
The earth orbits the sun.
The moon orbits the earth.
The earth rotates about a “virtual” axis (in that it’s not an actual, physical “thing”) that is tilted 23.5° off-parallel from its orbital axis w/r/t the sun.
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-de51316b8e4069be0a72d7a866321b60.webp)
The USA landed men on the moon, multiple times, and brought them all safely back to earth..
“Flat Earthers” are not very intelligent, and are wrong. If you take the time to ask them, ALL of them believe the way they do because of deeply-held religious (typically Christian) beliefs. (Or, if not “ALL,” then I would place bets that it’s greater than 98%).
I’m not saying all Christians are stupid. I’m not saying that all Christians are “Flat Earthers.” All “Flat Earthers” are not very intelligent, though. And MOST of them are Christians. .
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The vast majority of contributions from flat-earthers are chock full of grammatical/punctuation errors and bad syntax.
Maybe they're just no good at English, but it really gives them the appearance of being addled.
It would seem they're trying to give a bad impression of flat-earthism, but apparently they're just doing what comes naturally!
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Vasu Patel (https://www.quora.com/profile/Vasu-Patel-21), studied at Institute Of Technology, Nirma University (Profile says, "fond of everything" Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India)
Updated Nov 25, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/Is-Earth-flat-or-spherical-1/answer/Vasu-Patel-21)
Originally Answered: Is the earth flat or round? (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-earth-flat-or-round-1?no_redirect=1)
Ofcourse it is flat.
Who are these all astrophysicist and scientists, we dont have to believe all they say.
You know what lets try that ourselves.
Go outside on a barren-land. Look at the horizon. The horizon is always near equal to 4km away.
So this concluded that where ever you walk there is a flat disk of 4km radius. The whole concept of earth is sphere is all B.S.
(I MEAN COM’ ON)
There is certainly secretive ,till-not-disclosed answer of all these G.P.S satellites and I.S.S floating above our head, night and day. I mean there must be some political associated scams.
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It's sort of funny that you believe God's Creation defames His Church.
Ironic.
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It's sort of funny that you believe God's Creation defames His Church.
Ironic.
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It's rather the mockery flattardom makes of God's creation and its blasphemy that defames the Church.
I realize the concept is too difficult for a falt-earthdown-syndromer like yourself to grasp.
Maybe you could go help your fellow flat-earthdown-syndromer in India, Vasu Patel!
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Smugley Butthead realizes helping his buddy
in India will interrupt his viewing of South Park.
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Here is Anirban Samanta, explaining why he thinks flat-earthers belong to the "religion of stupid."
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Why can't physicists disprove the Flat Earth theory contention? (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-physicists-disprove-the-Flat-Earth-theory)
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Anirban Samanta (https://www.quora.com/profile/Anirban-Samanta-1), studied Electrical Engineering & Physics at University of California, Davis
Answered Jun 1 (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-physicists-disprove-the-Flat-Earth-theory/answer/Anirban-Samanta-1)
Let’s assume, solely for the sake of argument, that it may be a valid theory contention. All theories contentions, no matter who proposed them and no matter how elegant, are invalid if observational data cannot support it. Since the beginning of the space age we have direct photographic evidence, (we have had observational evidence for hundreds if not thousands of years) to prove that the earth is not flat.
The flat-earth theory contention, in appealing to the public, hinges on the allegation that NASA, Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA and all other space agencies are peddling a global hoax. If you believe a theory contention blindly and call conspiracy on any proof to the contrary, then such a theory contention CANNOT be disproved, until such a day that the realization comes to you. That is the power of faith - which is why I consider the flat-earthers a religion of stupid unto itself.
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Michael Wilton (https://www.quora.com/profile/Michael-Wilton-10), Research, experimentation & physical evidence for 30+ years
Answered Sat (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-physicists-disprove-the-Flat-Earth-theory/answer/Michael-Wilton-10)
Your question is based on a closed-minded precept, and as such should be rephrased to something in the order of, “Why can’t physicists disprove the flat earth TO A FLAT EARTH BELIEVER?”
The answer to the (reformed) question posed is actually simple, but I would wager not what you want to hear … They can, and they have on countless occasions, going all the way back to the ‘sticks and shadows’ experiment thousands of years ago.
The problem arises when the flat earth believers refuse (a choice based on faith rather than logic and facts) to believe the evidence, and furthermore refuse to perform experiments of the scope needed to detect the curvature preferring to stick with their fallacious ‘the horizon looks straight therefore the earth is flat’ argument. Of course we all know that using such a small scale assumption is highly inaccurate, like looking at one person in a town of 1000 and declaring that everyone in that town has blue eyes.
So the short answer to your question would be a further question … Why do flat earth believers refuse to accept the evidence provided, or prove it wrong through real experimentation?
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Note: Michael Wilton (who is likely from England, but his profile doesn't say!) fails to recognize that the 'sticks and shadows' experiment of Eratosthenes and others, presumes from the start that the rays coming from the sun are parallel and that the sun is a great distance away from earth, such as hundreds of thousands of miles (or more). As such, "the 'sticks and shadows' experiment thousands of years ago" all by itself, does not "disprove the flat earth." Therefore, his "simple answer" is simply wrong.
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Why can't physicists disprove the Flat Earth theory contention? (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-physicists-disprove-the-Flat-Earth-theory)
Gunter Krebs (https://www.quora.com/profile/Gunter-Krebs), Dipl. Phys Atomic Physics, Goethe University, Frankfurt (1998 )
Answered May 20 (https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-physicists-disprove-the-Flat-Earth-theory/answer/Gunter-Krebs)
The question (as "theory") is not answerable - as scientists can simply and easily disprove that the earth is flat - and they have done it already many centuries ago.
In fact, scientists work today on the details, how earth slightly deviates from the perfect spherical shape. But the basic spherical shape is a rock solid fact with no reasonable doubts.
And by the way, there is no “Flat Earth Theory,” as the flat earth doesn't even have theory status, as it contradicts all observations.
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fff78223814e1b0482e604c9fe4f9a94)
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(Note: this contribution by Gunter Krebs does not strictly belong to this thread since it makes no accusations regarding religion, however, it does a very good job of explaining why there is no "theory" of flat-earthism, and therefore, physicists have no "theory" of flat-earthism to disprove. The question of "flat" earth has been settled long ago. For there to be a "theory" to disprove, the question would have to still be open for discussion. The questions still under consideration by physicists are the details of precisely how the real earth deviates from various idealized generalizations such as any of the many ellipsoids that have been proposed over the recent centuries.)
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These articles do nothing but ask people to take it on faith that this question is closed and that no observations are consistent with flat earth. Talk about a religious belief. They do little more than just ridicule the flat earth position. Sounds a lot like Neil's own modus operandi.
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These articles do nothing but ask people to take it on faith that this question is closed and that no observations are consistent with flat earth. Talk about a religious belief. They do little more than just ridicule the flat earth position. Sounds a lot like Neil's own modus operandi.
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Nonsense. The articles I'm posting here are to show that it is commonplace online today for those who do not have religious faith in the true God or in the One true Church to find fault with flat-earthers on the basis of their ostensible Christian faith. They're ridiculing the ostensible faith of flat-earthers, some of whom might be pretending to have faith but really don't!
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There are in fact numerous experiments anyone can do to substantiate the spherical earth model, and since the flat-earthers are claiming to have evidence those are wrong, it's incuмbent on flat-earthers to demonstrate how they're wrong. There's nothing about religious belief in that.
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Here's another one. Note, "Sacred Word publishing" jab.
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Tony Flury (https://www.quora.com/profile/Tony-Flury), Open Source Software Developer - Python (2015-present)
Updated Mar 30, 2017 (https://www.quora.com/If-the-Earth-is-spherical-then-why-has-no-one-ever-taken-on-any-monetary-flat-Earth-challenges/answer/Tony-Flury)
Edit : A good night's sleep, and I have a few more things to add.
Scientific method
The established scientific theory that explains the shape of the Earth, is one which shows that the Earth is more or less spherical (the model actually says that the Earth isn’t a perfect sphere—for a number of reasons). The scientific methods that all scientists should follow is that when someone comes up with an alternative model, that model should be able to:
- Identify exactly how that model matches all known observations
- How the new model differs from the old model—what observations can one make that prove the new model.
It simply isn’t good enough for Flat Earth proponents to say, “I don’t believe in a Spherical Earth; prove it.”
As far as science is concerned, that was done millennia ago (the Ancient Greeks identified that the earth was Spherical in 600 BC). What is needed is for proponents of the Flat Earth model is to prove that their model is true. So where is that verifiable proof? (It has to be measurable and independently verifiable—falling back on the ‘all scientists are part of a conspiracy’ isn’t a good enough reason to reject anyone else’s involvement.)
The scientific community are more than happy to reject established models if someone comes along with a better model which more closely matches the measurements—some big examples:
- —The earth-centric model (Ptolemy and earlier); rejected by Copernicus and others.
- —Newtonian gravity; rejected by Einstein.
- —Earth, Fire, Water Air elements (ancient Greeks & Romans); rejected by Dalton and others during the 1600s
- —One Galaxy (ancient times); rejected by Hubble and all in the early 1900s
Spherical Earth
For me the spherical Earth is not anything that is up for debate; I have seen no evidence that would suggest to me that the world isn’t pretty close to a sphere. If you want proof, here are a few things:
—Sun rise, sun set: It is well known that for very tall buildings (Burj Khalifa in UAE for instance) that there is a measurable time difference between sun rise at the top, and sun rise at the bottom; so much so that for residents of apartments at the top the Muslim fast of Ramadan starts a few minutes earlier and finishes a few minutes later, than those who live on the ground floor.
—Lunar Eclipses: When we get a lunar eclipse the shadow of the earth (both the umbra and the penumbra) are always round, and all parts of the world experience lunar eclipses at one time or another. The ONLY shape that gives a round shadow from which ever angle you light it, is a sphere. A flat object will only give a circular shadow if light from directly above/ below, and at all other angles the shadows will range from a noticeable ellipse, to a rectangle. This is leaving aside the fact that we know that the lunar eclipses are the result of the Earth being in between the Sun and the Moon, and that the Flat Earth model suggests that the Sun is always above the Earth ‘disc’ in order to assure that it is always daytime somewhere—so how it can be above the disc and also below it at the same time is beyond me.
Movement of the Earth
Rotation around the Sun
It is actually pretty difficult to ‘prove’ the Earth is moving; the model of the universe that is the norm is that everything is moving, that nothing is stationary, and that crucially you can only measure your movement relative to something else. I can easily show you that, during the year, the Earth moves relative to the background stars (we see different constellations during the winter, than during the summer). I can show you that the surface of the earth moves relative to the Sun and moon during the day (sunrise, sunset, etc). There are experiments that prove that the solar system is moving relative to the background galactic ‘stuff’ (dust, gas) and relative to other nearby star systems (such as with observation of parallax).
However it is possible to ‘claim’ that actually the Earth is stationary and everything else is moving relative to us; the main argument against this is primarily one of simplicity. When you take everything into account, the movement of many of the things into the universe would be incredibly complicated if the Earth was stationary (look at the Ptolemy model of just the solar system with its orbits, epicycles, etc.—the movement of the rest of the universe would be equally as complex if not more). Once you realise that if you assume that solar system orbits the sun in a simple ellipse, and the solar system orbits the galactic center, that other stars are doing the same (at different velocities), and that the galaxies are moving simply due to gravity, all of the movement path are simply much much easier.
Conspiracy Theories
My final point is that Flat Earth proponents include a conspiracy theory as part of the model, and therefore to try to prove that the Flat Earth model is wrong you not only have to prove the science, you also have to try to prove that the secret worldwide, millennium-old conspiracy between governments, scientists and other organizations simply does not exist. Given that, people probably know they would be wasting their time. They would conduct the experiments/demonstrations and prove what they are trying to prove and the ‘Sacred Word Publishing’ still would not pay up.
If you read any flat Earth vs spherical Earth debates on the Internet, the Flat Earth proponents have always got a reason why any given experiment isn’t valid, and there is nothing to suggest that ‘Sacred Word publishing’ would be any different.
If the money was put up by a totally independent body, and the results were reviewed and arbitrated on by a totally independent panel, then maybe people would be interested, but even then the Flat Earth proponents would be likely to debate the validity of the results.
It is a hallmark of many Flat Earth proponents that they seem to believe in an overarching conspiracy spanning many centuries (possibly even a millennium or more) by unnamed organizations (but currently NASA) to convince the population that the world is spherical. By the very nature of the conspiracy anyone who disagrees with them (they say) has been convinced by the conspiracy hoax, and any scientist who argues for the Spherical earth evidence (they say) is part of the conspiracy. When people are convinced by the conspiracy theory it is very difficult for anyone to convince them otherwise.
Interestingly they are claiming a conspiracy to deceive the population for around 1000 years, and they can’t explain:
(http://null.com)— What benefit does any organization get from propagating this hoax? The only exception is NASA, who apparently perpetuates the hoax in order to continue getting funding. This doesn't explain any of the non-USA proponents of the spherical earth, including many with no NASA connection, and it doesn't explain the spherical earth proponents for many 100s of years before NASA.
(http://null.com)
— Why has not a single spherical earth proponent 'spilt the beans,' and exposed the hoax—despite the hoax apparently running for centuries? Criminal cօռspιʀαcιҽs break apart fairly often (even when the penalty is incarceration or worse), yet we are expected to believe that this conspiracy has remained water-tight over centuries and over the entire world! Not a single "confession," not even a death-bed confession!
Update : Updated section on Earth’s movement to include direct evidence from Gyroscopes, Focault’s Pendulum & the Coriolis Effect.
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"The Bible is a flat Earth book from cover-to-cover as any Biblically-informed atheist would quickly tell you...."
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If that doesn't float your boat, perhaps a few other quips from "AussieDisciple" e.g.,
--- "flat Earth is the key to revival....it is "the missing link" that every-one has been looking for and the answer to the question commonly asked by Christians: why no revival?"
---"earth is flat, just as described in the bible. --- it's the most important truth second to salvation through Jesus."
--- "the Earth being round or flat is most certainly not a frivolous issue....it is the most important revelation in history....second only to the Ressurection [sic] of Jesus Christ...."
--- "you can't be "a Christian" and actively oppose flat Earth; --- if you do: yr [sic] nothing but satanic garbage"
--- "i hope Almighty God lets me live long enough to see the globe Earth fools publicly humiliated and KICKED OUT of the Body of Christ and for the entire, secular humanist, pseudo-atheistic, materialistic world system to come CRASHING down ..."
--- " we're gunna EJECT youse and yr [sic] "doctrines of demons"/globe Earth garbage from the body of Christ! yr WORSE than satanists!"
---" globe Earth heretics and Bible UN-believers in the Body of Christ..... go to HELL !"
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It would appear AussieDisciple is happenby's alter ego! Or, should I say, altar ego!
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These are two comments under a YouTube video which topic is nuclear explosions, some people deny their existence:
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Megan Lockhart
1 year ago
This is going to sound crazy, and it is, but there are people who don't believe in fission and fusion bombs. They say they're a hoax.
Brian Hawkins
1 year ago (edited)
Yes, and there are people that believe the earth is flat, there is a planet Nibiru that we came from, that Katy Perry is JonBenet Ramsey grown up, and that Kanye West can sing. Welcome to the world where critical thinking and objectivity are lacking. An explosion of social media filled with misinformation and people without enough sense or resources to know how to process it.
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Later on in the comments, this same viewer, Brian Hawkins, shows himself to be contemptuous of anyone with religious faith and equates them with those lacking critical thinking ability like flat-earthers.
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Brian Hawkins
1 year ago
No, Hacim Llih was right on target. When you say "faith comes first, evidence after" that is exactly what the logical fallacy "Confirmation Bias" is. You biased yourself by accepting something first without evidence, then you go look for evidence to try to confirm what you already believe. You think you're wise and trying to talk about these things, but your critical thinking skills are lacking. That is the problem, you're being led around by this belief which you took on faith. Accepting something without proof is being gullible. Expecting empirical evidence is what separates fact from fiction. You're living in a world guided by fiction when you should be seeking the truth and reality. I asked for and you gave me 3 examples. The first is an example of supposed psychic powers. There are lots of methods psychics use to fool people into thinking they have read their mind, seen their past, or predicted their future. Vague and leading questions is one of the most common. No one has ever demonstrated under lab conditions to have psychic powers. See youtube videos on James Randi. Besides, psychic powers doesn't demonstrate a god or your god in any way.
As far as curing someone of arthritis, you're not a doctor to start. There are so many unanswered questions that would give a non-supernatural explanation to what occurred. Did this person actually have arthritis, how many times and when did you see this person after the prayer session or was it just some hysteria of the moment that the person just claimed to feel no pain. You haven't shown any connection between the prayer and the cure. You assume it was the prayer that cured the person. Were they seeing a doctor for the condition. And lastly, you found some gold color dust on your palm and jumped to the conclusion that it was supernatural rather than trying to find the nature source of where the gold dust came from. You seem to have a propensity for delusion and jumping to conclusions. You employ "God of the Gaps". If you can't comprehend something, then it must be god. So the problem is that you are simple minded and have difficulty comprehending things.
Like most Christians you probably do this for one of 2 reasons. First is the church has convinced you that you are a sinner and that the only way to be a good person is to believe there is an invisible boogie man with super power that will get you and torture you for eternity unless you accept him without any evidence (faith). Of course this isn't true. You're a good person or a bad person based on your actions and behaviors. If you are a good person now you will most likely be just as good, without believing the hocus pocus non-sense. The other is that you fell prey to their threats. That unless you believe you will be tortured by another made-up boogie man (Satan) in a made-up place (hell). They used your fears to enslave you. Live your life morally, but without the hocus pocus.
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Note: "hocus pocus" is from the Lutheran and Cranmer mockery of the Latin words the priest speaks over the host in the words of consecration: "Hoc est enim corpus meum." Type the latter into a search engine and see, among the top hits are the former (hocus pocus).
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From an earlier post:
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—Lunar Eclipses:
When we get a lunar eclipse, the shadow of the earth (the umbra, or darkest center part) is always round, and all parts of the world experience lunar eclipses at one time or another, each eclipse being observed from all over the night side of the earth simultaneously. The ONLY shape that gives a round shadow, regardless from which angle you light it, is a sphere. A flat object will only give a circular shadow if lit from directly above / below, normal to the flat surface; at all other angles, the shadows will range from a noticeable ellipse, to an elongated rectangle (the ‘disc’ being on-edge with a boxed perimeter to cast a rectangular shadow).
This is leaving aside the fact that we know that lunar eclipses are the result of the Earth being in between the Sun and the Moon. However, considering how the Flat Earth model suggests that the Sun is always above the Earth ‘disc’ in order to assure that it is always daytime somewhere—then, how it can be above the disc and also below it at the same time is beyond me.
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Flat-earthers have yet to respond to this challenge.
- They resort to all manner of obfuscation instead.
- They claim there is no flat-earth model and they don't want one (well, obviously, having a model makes you responsible!)
- They claim the lunar eclipses are not caused by the earth casting a shadow on the moon
- Some have said that lunar eclipses are a fake projection like a hologram
- Some have said that the moon itself is a holographic projection, so a lunar eclipse is no problem at all
- They try to put the moon's illumination inside the moon even saying the moon is transluscent
- Those who say the moon is transluscent have no answer to what mechanism is the source of the moon's light
- They purchase optical thermometers online and say they can "prove" the moon's light is cooler, therefore it's not from the sun
- They have resorted to claiming the moon is not spheroid (like the "flat" earth, they say) but it is rather "flat" too
- They have asserted with great confidence that some OTHER body is causing the shadow, but "it's invisible" - cannot be observed
(But then how could something that's "invisible" cast any shadow whatsoever? They don't have a clue.)
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Meanwhile, this manifestly obstreperous nescience only goes to defame the Church when such lunatics say they are "Catholic."
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No wonder flat earth contrarians don't get it. They can't, or won't read and do not understand the argument at all.
Flat-earthers have yet to respond to this challenge.
- They resort to all manner of obfuscation instead. False. Casting aspersions is a common tool used to disparage, but self reveals it comes from the one casting.
- They claim there is no flat-earth model and they don't want one (well, obviously, having a model makes you responsible!)
Also false. Every flat earther wants a flat earth model that works so this statement is a full blown lie. In addition, an excellent working model is explained in a video in these threads. This debunks lie number 2. What is not explained by geocentric globers is it is they who do not have a working model. NASA explains days and seasons partly on the spinning globe.
- They claim the lunar eclipses are not caused by the earth casting a shadow on the moon True
- Some have said that lunar eclipses are a fake projection like a hologram Probably globers shilling.
- Some have said that the moon itself is a holographic projection, so a lunar eclipse is no problem at all Globers shilling
- They try to put the moon's illumination inside the moon even saying the moon is transluscent Maybe maybe not. Modern science doesn't explain many anomalies globe earthers are mostly unaware of.
- Those who say the moon is transluscent have no answer to what mechanism is the source of the moon's light Neither does modern science know what mechanism is the source of the moon's light.
- They purchase optical thermometers online and say they can "prove" the moon's light is cooler, therefore it's not from the sun
This is proven over and over and over and over again. Except by those who sneer, yet can't be bothered to experiment themselves.
- They have resorted to claiming the moon is not spheroid (like the "flat" earth, they say) but it is rather "flat" too
A globular object cannot produce a curved shadow, or other lighting issues, thus proving the moon is not spheroid, but it is a light like the rest of the celestial objects in the sky and as Scripture describes them.
- They have asserted with great confidence that some OTHER body is causing the shadow, but "it's invisible" - cannot be observed
(But then how could something that's "invisible" cast any shadow whatsoever? They don't have a clue.)
A theory.
Meanwhile, this manifestly obstreperous nescience only goes to defame the Church when such lunatics say they are "Catholic."
Interesting accusation. This is the lament of a modernist who worries that truth will defame the Church. Kind of funny that in this admission, there is the seed of truth about the manner in which false science has trumped the Church in men's minds, leading them astray for fear of being mocked.
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Here is how malicious flat-earthers misrepresent reality and refuse to pay attention to the truth:
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Question: Let's say I don't believe the world is round. How can one prove the world is round to me?
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Timothy Todd, Geologist, writer (transitionstofreedom.com), traveler
Answered May 12, 2017
There are some great answers here, and another one is probably not necessary. But I had an exchange with some flat earthers that shifted my perspective on their thought processes (or the lack of them).
Anyone that’s ever interacted with an actual FE adherent knows that they will reject all evidence that the earth is any shape other than flat. Depending on your disposition, it can be pretty entertaining to watch them struggle through the dissonance that arises when they attempt to reconcile their unshakable faith in their world view with facts that contradict it.
I used to live in Kailua-Kona on the Big Island of Hawaii. We had a house there that faced west with a spectacular view of the coastline and the Pacific. It was about 1200 feet above sea level.
One evening, near sunset, I was at home perusing the silly musings of a group of FE adherents on a public forum. My wife happened to be in town near the beach about the time the sun set. I called her just as it was setting to ask her to tell me the exact moment that the tip of the sun sank below the horizon. At the moment that she confirmed her observation of the sun’s disappearance, I could still see a portion of the sun above the horizon from my elevated vantage point. I then marked the time that I observed the sun disappear below the horizon.
The distance to the horizon on the ocean can be estimated by using d = 3.57 * √h where d is the distance to the horizon in kilometers and h is the elevation of the observer in meters. Using 5 meters for my wife’s elevation (she was not directly on the beach) and 400 meters for mine, I estimated that the distance to the visible horizon for her was about 8 kilometers, while from my location it was about 70 kilometers. Since she was about 5 kilometers west of me, I added that to her 8 kilometers, making my visible horizon about 57 kilometers further west than my wife’s.
The earth’s rotational speed at any latitude can be estimated by multiplying the cosine of latitude in degrees by 1670 kilometers per hour (the rotational speed at the equator). In our case, we were at about 19.6 degrees north latitude, so our rotational speed was around 1,570 kilometers per hour, or about 26 kilometers per minute. That meant that the sun should disappear under the horizon about 2 minutes later for me than for her, which is exactly what we observed.
I shared our observations and the associated calculations with the FE cultists on the forum that I’d been reading. You won’t be surprised to learn that I was unable to claim a single convert. Instead, I was ridiculed, insulted, and mocked, but not on the basis of any reasoned rebuttal. The most common response was some variation on the theme that I was lying. I was eventually invited to leave the forum and asked not to engage in further discussion.
Yes, I know that it was a foolish waste of my time, but I did come away with some interesting insights into human nature and the FE cult mindset. Reason and evidence are not the ingredients that have led them to their understanding of reality, so reason and evidence will never be part of the solution that will help them to accept the world as it is rather than as they want it to be.
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He was ridiculed, insulted and mocked, not on any reasoned rebuttal. Sound familiar? Sounds very familiar!
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No wonder flat earth contrarians don't get it. They can't, or won't read and do not understand the argument at all.
Flat-earthers have yet to respond to this challenge.
- They resort to all manner of obfuscation instead. False. Casting aspersions is a common tool used to disparage, but self reveals it comes from the one casting.
- They claim there is no flat-earth model and they don't want one (well, obviously, having a model makes you responsible!)
Also false. Every flat earther wants a flat earth model that works so this statement is a full blown lie. In addition, an excellent working model is explained in a video in these threads. This debunks lie number 2. What is not explained by geocentric globers is it is they who do not have a working model. NASA explains days and seasons partly on the spinning globe.
- They claim the lunar eclipses are not caused by the earth casting a shadow on the moon True
- Some have said that lunar eclipses are a fake projection like a hologram Probably globers shilling.
- Some have said that the moon itself is a holographic projection, so a lunar eclipse is no problem at all Globers shilling
- They try to put the moon's illumination inside the moon even saying the moon is transluscent Maybe maybe not. Modern science doesn't explain many anomalies globe earthers are mostly unaware of.
- Those who say the moon is transluscent have no answer to what mechanism is the source of the moon's light Neither does modern science know what mechanism is the source of the moon's light.
- They purchase optical thermometers online and say they can "prove" the moon's light is cooler, therefore it's not from the sun
This is proven over and over and over and over again. Except by those who sneer, yet can't be bothered to experiment themselves.
- They have resorted to claiming the moon is not spheroid (like the "flat" earth, they say) but it is rather "flat" too
A globular object cannot produce a curved shadow, or other lighting issues, thus proving the moon is not spheroid, but it is a light like the rest of the celestial objects in the sky and as Scripture describes them.
- They have asserted with great confidence that some OTHER body is causing the shadow, but "it's invisible" - cannot be observed
(But then how could something that's "invisible" cast any shadow whatsoever? They don't have a clue.)
A theory.
Meanwhile, this manifestly obstreperous nescience only goes to defame the Church when such lunatics say they are "Catholic."
Interesting accusation. This is the lament of a modernist who worries that truth will defame the Church. Kind of funny that in this admission, there is the seed of truth about the manner in which false science has trumped the Church in men's minds, leading them astray for fear of being mocked.
All answered. Repost.
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Every post you make ridicules the Church because you pretend to be Catholic.
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You have yet to name a single priest in the Church who says you're doing the right thing.
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Have you ever brought this topic up to a priest?
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Would you even listen to what he has to say to you in regards to your flat-earthism?
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Or would you be honest and throw it back at him demonstrating the same obstreperous nescience you show here?
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Every post you make ridicules the Church because you pretend to be Catholic.
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You have yet to name a single priest in the Church who says you're doing the right thing.
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Have you ever brought this topic up to a priest?
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Would you even listen to what he has to say to you in regards to your flat-earthism?
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Or would you be honest and throw it back at him demonstrating the same obstreperous nescience you show here?
I have brought this up to several priests. One of them grasped it completely and played devil's advocate against the heliocentric globe. Sadly, I moved away right after that and haven't had an opportunity to revisit this with him. No doubt he went back and got re educated by fellow priests who have never heard of flat earth, but that's to be expected. The other two were resistant, but not because they had intelligent answers, but only because they figured the heliocentric model is reality, and that I must have missed science class my whole life. Globe earthers love to repeat what their science teachers taught them never realizing how silly that is. As if my schools never taught science? That common response to flat earth is kind of sad, really. Another priest I know of, but haven't spoken to, has accepted flat earth. He is a Resistance priest, but remains low key for obvious reasons.
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I have brought this up to several priests. One of them grasped it completely and played devil's advocate against the heliocentric globe. Sadly, I moved away right after that and haven't had an opportunity to revisit this with him. No doubt he went back and got re educated by fellow priests who have never heard of flat earth, but that's to be expected. The other two were resistant, but not because they had intelligent answers, but only because they figured the heliocentric model is reality, and that I must have missed science class my whole life. Globe earthers love to repeat what their science teachers taught them never realizing how silly that is. As if my schools never taught science? That common response to flat earth is kind of sad, really. Another priest I know of, but haven't spoken to, has accepted flat earth. He is a Resistance priest, but remains low key for obvious reasons.
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Thank you for a reasoned response. (Unlike your previous one (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-does-'flat-earthism'-defame-church-providing-material-for-ridicule-thereof/msg621807/#msg621807).)
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Since you're unwilling to divulge the name of the priest who you say "has accepted fat earth" I'm left with three possibilities.
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A) The priest is just telling you (or whomever) what you want to hear so he doesn't have to deal with it, in which case he's not being honest.
B) You're just saying you know of such a priest when the truth is you WISH you knew of such a priest.
C) He does in fact exist but lacks the courage of his convictions, perhaps because he has not had to answer the questions that I have asked you, which you have certainly not bothered to show to this priest so he can learn from thinking about reality, not fantasy.
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If I've missed anything let me know.
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I take umbrage with your accusation that I repeat what my science teachers taught me, because that is absolutely false.
I take great care not to repeat the errors of many teachers I have had -- at the time, I got marked down for pointing out their errors.
Again -- you are resorting to a strawman when you insist on introducing "heliocentrism" to the discussion.
I realize that's what you've learned from your mentors like Eric Dubay the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ atheist, but maybe you like it that way -- if you didn't like it that way, you wouldn't keep imitating him over and over and over and over and over and over.................
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Thank you for a reasoned response. (Unlike your previous one (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-does-'flat-earthism'-defame-church-providing-material-for-ridicule-thereof/msg621807/#msg621807).)
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Since you're unwilling to divulge the name of the priest who you say "has accepted fat earth" I'm left with three possibilities.
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A) The priest is just telling you (or whomever) what you want to hear so he doesn't have to deal with it, in which case he's not being honest.
B) You're just saying you know of such a priest when the truth is you WISH you knew of such a priest.
C) He does in fact exist but lacks the courage of his convictions, perhaps because he has not had to answer the questions that I have asked you, which you have certainly not bothered to show to this priest so he can learn from thinking about reality, not fantasy.
Since the priest who knows the earth is flat is real, you'll have to rest on your assumptions about his reasons for holding back.
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If I've missed anything let me know.
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I take umbrage with your accusation that I repeat what my science teachers taught me, because that is absolutely false.
Umbrage or not, you're constantly copying and pasting from blogs who parrot modern science.
I take great care not to repeat the errors of many teachers I have had -- at the time, I got marked down for pointing out their errors.
Again -- you are resorting to a strawman when you insist on introducing "heliocentrism" to the discussion.
I realize that's what you've learned from your mentors like Eric Dubay the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ atheist, but maybe you like it that way -- if you didn't like it that way, you wouldn't keep imitating him over and over and over and over and over and over.................
Nope. I knew earth was flat long before Eric Dubay showed up online. He's just happens to be an atheist who is somewhat able to reason. Perhaps it will bring him to a Catholic conversion some day.
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When you embed your apparent responses inside your quote boxes from other sources it means you don't want any reply.
Because any quote of your post won't have content. So nobody can easily refer to what you said.
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Consequently, what I wrote stands unopposed:
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Since you're unwilling to divulge the name of the priest who you say "has accepted fat earth" I'm left with three possibilities.
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A) The priest is just telling you (or whomever) what you want to hear so he doesn't have to deal with it, in which case he's not being honest.
B) You're just saying you know of such a priest when the truth is you WISH you knew of such a priest.
C) He does in fact exist but lacks the courage of his convictions, perhaps because he has not had to answer the questions that I have asked you, which you have certainly not bothered to show to this priest so he can learn from thinking about reality, not fantasy.
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I actually thought that the flat earth was a joke but then I realized there are some mentally deranged people that just deny all our calculations without bringing in any of their own.
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When you embed your apparent responses inside your quote boxes from other sources it means you don't want any reply.
Because any quote of your post won't have content. So nobody can easily refer to what you said.
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Consequently, what I wrote stands unopposed:
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Since you're unwilling to divulge the name of the priest who you say "has accepted fat earth" I'm left with three possibilities.
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A) The priest is just telling you (or whomever) what you want to hear so he doesn't have to deal with it, in which case he's not being honest.
B) You're just saying you know of such a priest when the truth is you WISH you knew of such a priest.
C) He does in fact exist but lacks the courage of his convictions, perhaps because he has not had to answer the questions that I have asked you, which you have certainly not bothered to show to this priest so he can learn from thinking about reality, not fantasy.
Everything you write is opposed.
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Everything you write is opposed.
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Everything you write has been refuted.
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AussieDisciple is happenby's altar ego (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/how-does-'flat-earthism'-defame-church-providing-material-for-ridicule-thereof/msg620525/#msg620525)!