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Offline Neil Obstat

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Under the pretense of piety and spiritual edification, CI flat-earthers (especially happenby) have been promoting the ongoing falsehood that their fantasyland is somehow beneficial for Catholics. There are THOUSANDS of website pages online that prove the opposite is the case. Atheists and anti-Catholics use this material for ridicule and contumely against Holy Mother Church.
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Here are some examples of this trend which has been going on for several years, all ready.
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What do flat-earthers believe is on the other side of the flat earth
and why hasn't anyone ever explored it (or the edge?)?
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Source  May 12, 2017 <---That's over a year ago!
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On a "flat Earth", what is under the bedrock?
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Hmm … according to flatearthism, there should be 3 possibilities:
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After further analysis (youtube), experimentation (youtube) and meditation (exhaustion-induced delirium), I fine-tuned the findings, and here’s the religiously scientific elaboration!
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1. Fire
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It’s Hell down there! Hell is the boiler that powers the flat Earth! You thought it was a disk? It’s a cylinder! Only the top is flat. This rocket-like planet is accelerating at 9.8 m/s, courtesy of Hell Motors Inc. power boosters! It will reach heaven on doomsday, when it crashes against heaven and all souls are released! Also, Hell will expand and be firmly established under heaven!
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So the hot stuff powers the sun and moon with ‘soulium’, it’s a concentrate of angry and agonizing souls. Since the number of souls increases in Hell, the sun is getting hotter, thus climate warming/changes! It also reinforces the Dome.  Ah! Holy Soulium, you save us all!
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Edit: After the number of views, I put a little more effort into the answer! Here are some depictions:
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These "Hell Boosters" propel flat-earth upward
to provide the acceleration we measure as gravity.
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2. Water
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The waters are the universe! When God created Earth, he placed the disc at the bottom of the deep! You though it was shaped as a missile? Think again, it’s shape is that of a buoy, made to stay straight up. The ascension is what powers the sun and the moon by rotation of the dome. The dome is not just a protective capsule, its a turbine!
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On day 1, the earth started accelerating up, at a constant rate of 9.8m/s. This giant ocean is at the bottom of heavens, when the Earth reaches the surface, its sudden stop and splashing will cause the end of the world and the rapture for the believers! The remains of the planet will turn into Hell!
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Here are "Hell Boosters" that work as water jets!
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3. Void
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The earth is the only thing in the universe! There’s a Mega Dome around, outside of the dome (floating or painted on the mega dome), that contains the manifestation (energy, lights, angel, heavenly beasts, you chose it) of all other “space phenomena” scientists, astronomorons, astronots and all other ball-heads say to be out there! The supper dome is the limits of the heavens. What the smart pants call gravity, is the effect of the Heavelevator* pulling the Earth to its final destination. The speed of the pull is constant, like an elevator, you wont feel any acceleration, because there’s none. It’s a constant speed!
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When the Earth reaches the top, it will break through it and cause the End of the World, and rupture-rapture at the same time, it will all last 0.0098 s. In an instant you’ll be either in Hell or Heaven!
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* Note that the line connected to the dome is the canal , direct link to heaven! So when the good die, their souls are transported through it! This is the Heavelevator, a super strong tube to Heaven. Spirits use it to access the material world!
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EDIT: Many have pointed to the space turtles and I think they are cute! Mr. Bubbles & generations are a bit old school, so I kind of let it pass! Modern Flat-Earth theories don’t include them anymore, what a shame!
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Image: Page 2 of the “Flat Earth Coloring Book,” illustrating some of the various cosmologies of the flat Earth crowd. Note the Turtle. Remember, “Sonny, it’s turtles all the way down.”
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What, you are expecting a thoroughly-developed, coherent, consistent theory? The Flat Earthers (hereinafter, FEs) are all over the map on these things (map . . . get it?) They have several different theories, each more imaginative than the last, but what they say doesn’t matter, because . . . .
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None of their theories has any evidentiary basis, so it really doesn’t matter what they think is under there. The FEs say that we can’t see what’s underneath the Earth, can’t reach underneath the Earth, can’t send any kind of remote sensing there (there is no such thing as space, so there’s no such thing as a satellite, you see), so that we will never be able to observe it, directly or indirectly. Accordingly, even less constrained by evidence than their other pervasively irrational and falsehood-filled blatherings, their fanciful and unsupported imaginings of what mysteries lie beneath are even more fanciful and unsupported than their fanciful and unsupported imaginings about everything else.
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As for why no one has ever explored the underside or the edge . . . .
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The underside is inaccessible. Why? Because it IS. What good is an underside of the world if you could go there, right? WHAT do you think would keep you from falling? You would fall into the . . . um . . . er . . . one or more of the following: eternal sea of blackness, chaotic void, Stygian darkness, eternal Hell of fire and brimstone and nothing on TV but reruns of My Mother The Car, infinite stack of turtles, incomprehensible realm meant never to be seen by human eyes, the mess that lives underneath my computer desk, etc.
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Then, we have the Edge of the World, of which no one has ever managed to produce a photo or video or other first-hand evidence. The party line on that is that it has been explored but—as part of the global conspiracy to hide the true nature of the world from the whole human race—the real observations of the real explorers were hushed up and bogus tales of reaching the South Pole invented for the explorers by professional writers.
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Oooooooooohhhhhh. It’s a conspiracyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! What a novel explanation. The logic is perfect, “We can’t produce evidence for our belief because the conspiracy has operated with perfect efficiency to destroy or hide or discredit all such evidence. Accordingly, the absence of any evidence to support us is evidence to support us. That makes perfect sense, right?”
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Let’s look at that amazing logic from another perspective. Let’s say we are talking about unicorns and have the following discussion: Person 1—A Unicorn has been here. Person 2—Why do you say that? There aren’t any hoofprints. Person 1—Unicorns are magical. They don’t leave hoofprints or any other marks on the ground. And, look, there aren’t any hooprints or other marks here, so I know the unicorn has come through. Person 1—[gives up all hope of having an intelligent conversation and walks away].
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There is no Occam’s Razor in the Flat Earth crowd. They think Occam’s Razor is what Occam uses to shave his face.
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And, don’t hold your breath for new evidence because, brace yourselves for a big surprise here, the World Wide Conspiracy to Hide the Nature of the World from the Raggedy Assed Masses makes sure that no one can get near the edge. Now, all approaches to the edge are ceaselessly guarded by a great lidless eye that never sleeps.
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Actually, I just made up the lidless eye part, but they do say it is ceaselessly guarded by, take your pick, the US Navy, the US Coast Guard, UN Naval Forces, an International Joint Force consisting of ships from many nations, plus Captain Jack Sparrow and the Kracken. Sorry about the Jack Sparrow and Kracken part. This stuff just gets me swept up and I got carried away from one fantasy to the next. Whatever is guarding the Rim of the World, You Can’t Go There!
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Just try it, and you’ll see what the FEs are talking about. According to them, you’ll never get close before someone intercepts you and puts you in the super secret cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in Greenland where they keep the “really dangerous people” who pose the greatest threat to keeping the lid on the true nature of the Earth.
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Let’s see what this world traveler has to say about it:
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“One does not simply walk into Antarctica. It’s guarded by US Navy SEALS, US Army Special Forces, elite US Marines, British SAS commandos, Russian Speznatz, the French Foreign Legion, the Vatican Swiss Guard, and 20,000 trained killer penguins.” Boromir, Son of Denethor, at the Counsel of Elrond, October 25, 3018 T.A. (1398 Shire Reckoning).
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Well, there you go. They can bleat their nonsense eternally without fear of the kind of “this will convince even a kindergarten kid who wants you to shut up so he can eat his ice cream evidence” that they consider adequate proof of the spherical nature of the Earth. Yet, oh so conveniently, you can’t go any of the places that will show the FE theories to be false. Or, if you do go there and come back with evidence that the Earth does not have an edge or that it is round and you know because you orbited it in the International Space Station for five months, they will simply say that you are lying and your evidence is faked, and your photos were done with Photoshop, and you’re just a great big huge gigantic meanie-head for telling the whole world that their ideas are absurd.
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Oh, and it’s OK for them to say that everyone who works for NASA is a lying felon, that all the folks who navigate based on a round earth are lying, that the astronauts (including the ones from Apollo 1, Challenger, and Columbia) and the entire Earth and Space science community of the entire world is on the take to support some vast nefarious conspiracy . . . but if you call them out on it and say that they are individuals of less than sterling character for attacking the good name of so many people based on such worthless evidence, then they go crying to the Moderator because you hurted their itsy bitsy wittle tiny feewings.
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Maybe it’s just turtles all the way down.
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This one tells of pride for not being burdened with silly religious beliefs, and this way life is much simpler and enjoyable.
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Answered Jun 16, 2017
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Originally Answered: How can people believe that the earth is flat?
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How can people ‘believe’ anything? Well, some beliefs are necessary. We call those mundane beliefs. An example of a mundane belief would be that the car will start in the morning. We believe that so we don’t have to worry about it all night. That sort of belief keeps us from suffering cognitive overload. Mundane belief is flexible. When the key is turned and the car doesn’t start, we have no trouble at all dropping that belief and immediately embark upon solving the problem. As quickly as we release a mundane belief, we reset it with the same ease.
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More rigid beliefs, like religion, politics, superstitions, etc. are a different animal. In this kind of belief, information contrary to the belief must be twisted to fit within the belief system, denied for a broad range of reasons, or simply ignored. If one or any combination of the three is not done it causes cognitive dissonance for the believer. The mind is quite clever when it comes to protecting itself and is capable of substantially altering reality all by itself — no drugs or mushrooms required.
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I’m one of those happy folks who holds no beliefs beyond the mundane and life is comfortable most of the time. For the believer, life is a constant balancing act that places all sorts of demands for mental gymnastics, but they manage this with extreme ease as they go along adjusting reality to suit as each bit of new information/evidence comes into view. So, that’s how people can believe the Earth is flat.
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Apparently, Neil is terrified that anti-Catholics ridicule what they don't believe.  Um...ok.

He also advocates mundane existence of accepting all that science feeds us, pretending that it is actualy those who believe flat earth who change their minds and live in a mundane mindset. Otherwise, why post this ridiculous post about the mundane?  What he draws from it borders on the retarded.  It is Catholic flat earthers who refuse change, who stand for something, who defend Scripture, especially when modern science is changing everything constantly.  Copernicus is a hero for his heliocentric paradigm and its 3,000,000 mile away sun.  After jumping up in size throughout the years, it's closing in on a billion miles.  And who's changing?  NASA went to the moon in the 60's, but now they can't get out of low earth orbit.  Nixon phoned the moon with no delay or bad reception, but now they can't back there to initiate a call to the current president.  Maybe they can call Verizon to hook them up.  Everything the ball earth model is based on (modern science) is change, and most of it is lies.  Twisted minds always blame others for what they themselves are doing. 

 Neil is hoisted on his own petard. 
 


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(NOTE: In these messages when they say "the Society" they're not talking about the SSPX!)
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Why can't ISS take a pic of Earth and prove it to flat earth Society that Earth is not really flat?
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Answered Jul 27, 2017
NASA has already done that many times. NASA does even better than that. NASA livestreams the orbiting International Space Station seven days a week, 24 hours a day:
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Flat earthers simply deny reality. This is just like church officials who looked through Galileo’s telescopes and promptly exclaimed that the images of moons around Jupiter had to be false images painted by Galileo on his telescope lenses.
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The flat earth belief is a cult religion that rejects empirical evidence.
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They already have. There are several images and videos taken from ISS windows showing a clear round earth and not only we have footage from the ISS but also from many other probes and satellites.
However, no matter how many evidences you show to them, they will always tell you that that's a fake photo or video and that NASA or any other space agency are the devil who is taking so much advantage of humanity by fooling us about earth’s real shape.
I guess some people just need to be part of a community with a very strong opinion to be part of, even if it is the most illogical theory they've ever heard.
I wonder what do they believe to be under the “flat earth”. Hell? Some other world? Middle Earth? I guess that sounds more logical to them than a simple round earth made after logical physical processes.

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Why can't ISS take a pic of Earth and prove it to flat earth Society that Earth is not really flat?
Simple: Flat Earth Society members KNOW that the Earth is an oblate spheroid. They are pulling your leg.
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Where I believe the Society members get their greatest joy is in convincing less intelligent, less educated people that the “globe Earth” is truly a conspiracy set forth by the Deep State, Illuminati, or the Vatican.
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It never ceases to amaze me how gullible some folks can be.
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Read the channel description under the live stream video ("Is Earth flat? NO!" kind of thing -- "religion and superstition" is one category, you see, a thing not to be trusted, but what we should prefer is "scientific truth" of course!):
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Sadly there are a number of people today that believe the earth is flat - this is a myth based on a lie with no basis in science.

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[I forgot to include the video's title above -- time to edit timed out -- never enough! -- also, my comments in brackets]
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NASA Live Stream - Earth From Space
(Full Screen)  |  ISS LIVE FEED - Debunk Flat Earth
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Apparently, Neil is terrified that anti-Catholics ridicule what they don't believe.  Um...ok.

He also advocates mundane existence of accepting all that science feeds us, pretending that it is actualy those who believe flat earth who change their minds and live in a mundane mindset. Otherwise, why post this ridiculous post about the mundane?  What he draws from it borders on the retarded.  It is Catholic flat earthers who refuse change, who stand for something, who defend Scripture, especially when modern science is changing everything constantly.  Copernicus is a hero for his heliocentric paradigm and its 3,000,000 mile away sun.  After jumping up in size throughout the years, it's closing in on a billion miles.  And who's changing?  NASA went to the moon in the 60's, but now they can't get out of low earth orbit.  Nixon phoned the moon with no delay or bad reception, but now they can't back there to initiate a call to the current president.  Maybe they can call Verizon to hook them up.  Everything the ball earth model is based on (modern science) is change, and most of it is lies.  Twisted minds always blame others for what they themselves are doing.  

 Neil is hoisted on his own petard.  
 
Don't tell me, you're upset over my diagram of your "flat" earth, right?       


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So funny  :jester:  Still trying to run away from the discussion? Your twisted behavior fits the pattern of a psychopath. Get help.
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Looks like happenby has chosen not to heed advice to get help. Oh, well.
Here a contributor ridicules flat-earthers for misrepresenting "truth" and for "faith" and "belief" -- all with religious overtones.
The 6,000 year age of a "young earth" and claims of proving your beliefs wrong all criticize Catholic religion.
IOW it is a criticism of religious sensibilities, which ridicules the Church, indirectly.
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Is the Earth flat or spherical? Logically, what makes more sense:  An Earth that is a flat, stationary plane, or an Earth that is a spinning, spherical ball?
You state in your question details: “A Spherical Earth would require gravity, which we don’t see or cannot prove.
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I challenge the truth of that statement and here is an easy way to prove how much faith you actually have in that belief. Go to the roof of a 10 story or higher building and jump to the concrete below. If there is no gravity you will be fine.

You might come back with, “There is no gravity; the Flat Earth is accelerating upward at 9.81 meters/sec^2.” 
Since we know the Earth has been around for between 6,000 years (not really) and 4.5 billion years, we would be traveling at as close to the speed of light as imaginable, yet celestial bodies are not flying by us at an insane rate due to this ever increasing speed.

You claim Occam’s Razor, but if the Earth is accelerating upward at 9.81 meters/sec^2, what is the force that is accelerating us? Is it no more visible and “provable” than gravity? and where is the evidence…we can easily watch the other planets and Jupiter’s moons thru strong binoculars and they all follow the laws of gravity so you are making Earth a special case…on what basis do you add this bizarre complexity?

It is obvious to anyone looking objectively at the evidence that the Earth is spheroid and we are being attracted to it by gravity, just as all the other planets, moons, asteroids, etc., are behaving.

If you measure the Sun as being directly overhead, this only happens at the right time of year in the tropics. The farther north or south you go, the more the seasonal variation. This has been measured, recorded and provable for 1000’s of years and can be done today.

If your flat horizon meme was correct, you would be able to see the Rocky Mountains and Himilayas from Toronto, Canada with a telescope, or the CN Tower from New York. Guess what? You can’t.

You are entitled to your beliefs no matter how easily proven wrong they are, but your brain health and quality of life would probably improve if you decided to be open minded and look at the evidence around you objectively. My best wishes to you.

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Here's another one scoffing at religion - Christian "belief" is a weakness!            (w/r/t means with respect to)
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Stephen Sywak, Chief Cook and Bottle Washer at Sywak Technical Services (2017-present)
Answered Jul 5, 2017


Originally Answered: Is the earth really round, or is it flat? There are many arguments about this by the Flat Earth Society.

The earth is an oblate spheroid.
The earth orbits the sun.
The moon orbits the earth.
The earth rotates about a “virtual” axis (in that it’s not an actual, physical “thing”) that is tilted 23.5° off-parallel from its orbital axis w/r/t the sun.


The USA landed men on the moon, multiple times, and brought them all safely back to earth.
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“Flat Earthers” are not very intelligent, and are wrong. If you take the time to ask them, ALL of them believe the way they do because of deeply-held religious (typically Christian) beliefs. (Or, if not “ALL,” then I would place bets that it’s greater than 98%)
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I’m not saying all Christians are stupid. I’m not saying that all Christians are “Flat Earthers.” All “Flat Earthers” are not very intelligent, though. And MOST of them are Christians.
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The vast majority of contributions from flat-earthers are chock full of grammatical/punctuation errors and bad syntax.
Maybe they're just no good at English, but it really gives them the appearance of being addled.
It would seem they're trying to give a bad impression of flat-earthism, but apparently they're just doing what comes naturally!
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Vasu Patel, studied at Institute Of Technology, Nirma University  (Profile says, "fond of everything" Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India)
Updated Nov 25, 2017


Originally Answered: Is the earth flat or round?

Ofcourse it is flat.
Who are these all astrophysicist and scientists, we dont have to believe all they say.
You know what lets try that ourselves.
Go outside on a barren-land. Look at the horizon. The horizon is always near equal to 4km away.
So this concluded that where ever you walk there is a flat disk of 4km radius. The whole concept of earth is sphere is all B.S.
(I MEAN COM’ ON)
There is certainly secretive ,till-not-disclosed answer of all these G.P.S satellites and I.S.S floating above our head, night and day. I mean there must be some political associated scams.
Thank you.
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It's sort of funny that you believe God's Creation defames His Church. 

Ironic.

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It's sort of funny that you believe God's Creation defames His Church.

Ironic.
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It's rather the mockery flattardom makes of God's creation and its blasphemy that defames the Church.
I realize the concept is too difficult for a falt-earthdown-syndromer like yourself to grasp.
Maybe you could go help your fellow flat-earthdown-syndromer in India, Vasu Patel!
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Smugley Butthead realizes helping his buddy
in India will interrupt his viewing of South Park.
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Here is Anirban Samanta, explaining why he thinks flat-earthers belong to the "religion of stupid."
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Why can't physicists disprove the Flat Earth theory contention?
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Anirban Samanta, studied Electrical Engineering & Physics at University of California, Davis
Answered Jun 1

Let’s assume, solely for the sake of argument, that it may be a valid theory contention. All theories contentions, no matter who proposed them and no matter how elegant, are invalid if observational data cannot support it. Since the beginning of the space age we have direct photographic evidence, (we have had observational evidence for hundreds if not thousands of years) to prove that the earth is not flat.

The flat-earth theory contention, in appealing to the public, hinges on the allegation that NASA, Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA and all other space agencies are peddling a global hoax. If you believe a theory contention blindly and call conspiracy on any proof to the contrary, then such a theory contention CANNOT be disproved, until such a day that the realization comes to you. That is the power of faith - which is why I consider the flat-earthers a religion of stupid unto itself.

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Michael Wilton, Research, experimentation & physical evidence for 30+ years
Answered Sat

Your question is based on a closed-minded precept, and as such should be rephrased to something in the order of, “Why can’t physicists disprove the flat earth TO A FLAT EARTH BELIEVER?”

The answer to the (reformed) question posed is actually simple, but I would wager not what you want to hear … They can, and they have on countless occasions, going all the way back to the ‘sticks and shadows’ experiment thousands of years ago.

The problem arises when the flat earth believers refuse (a choice based on faith rather than logic and facts) to believe the evidence, and furthermore refuse to perform experiments of the scope needed to detect the curvature preferring to stick with their fallacious ‘the horizon looks straight therefore the earth is flat’ argument. Of course we all know that using such a small scale assumption is highly inaccurate, like looking at one person in a town of 1000 and declaring that everyone in that town has blue eyes.

So the short answer to your question would be a further question … Why do flat earth believers refuse to accept the evidence provided, or prove it wrong through real experimentation?


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Note: Michael Wilton (who is likely from England, but his profile doesn't say!) fails to recognize that the 'sticks and shadows' experiment of Eratosthenes and others, presumes from the start that the rays coming from the sun are parallel and that the sun is a great distance away from earth, such as hundreds of thousands of miles (or more). As such, "the 'sticks and shadows' experiment thousands of years ago" all by itself, does not "disprove the flat earth." Therefore, his "simple answer" is simply wrong.
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Why can't physicists disprove the Flat Earth theory contention?

Gunter Krebs, Dipl. Phys Atomic Physics, Goethe University, Frankfurt (1998 )
Answered May 20


The question (as "theory") is not answerable - as scientists can simply and easily disprove that the earth is flat - and they have done it already many centuries ago.

In fact, scientists work today on the details, how earth slightly deviates from the perfect spherical shape. But the basic spherical shape is a rock solid fact with no reasonable doubts.

And by the way, there is no “Flat Earth Theory,” as the flat earth doesn't even have theory status, as it contradicts all observations.

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(Note: this contribution by Gunter Krebs does not strictly belong to this thread since it makes no accusations regarding religion, however, it does a very good job of explaining why there is no "theory" of flat-earthism, and therefore, physicists have no "theory" of flat-earthism to disprove. The question of "flat" earth has been settled long ago. For there to be a "theory" to disprove, the question would have to still be open for discussion. The questions still under consideration by physicists are the details of precisely how the real earth deviates from various idealized generalizations such as any of the many ellipsoids that have been proposed over the recent centuries.)
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