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Offline Meg

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2017, 01:10:36 PM »
Yes, I guess that would have been more precise. Claiming that the fathers all or mostly taught it and that it's in Scripture would at least imply that they believe it constitutes divine revelation. While I accept what Meg said as true, maybe they didn't come out and say the word Dogma, they treat it as if it's part of our faith which to deny would make one not Catholic.

Well, if flat-earthers have implied that one would not be Catholic if one denies the flat earth, then of course you are justified in calling them out on that. I have seen that flat-earthers can take things too far. But please don't take it one step further. 

IMO, it is an interpretation of Scripture that the earth is flat, and it is not invalid, for the reason that there were Church Fathers who believed in a flat earth. That doesn't mean that there was a general consensus at all. 

I have seen the scriptural passages, and to me, they lend themselves to a flat -earth. 

On another subject, though not unrelated, it was, however, a consensus of the Church that the Earth was at the center of the universe, and that the sun and other planets rotated around the earth. This however would not now be taken as fact by most Catholics, or even traditional Catholics. 


Offline Meg

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2017, 01:48:35 PM »

I do not dispute Geocentrism or adhere to it at least in the sense of some here. I adhere to it as Pope Benedict  XV explained it.

Pope Benedict XV, In Praeclara Summorum (#4), April 20, 1921: "If the progress of science showed later that the conception of the world rested on no sure foundation, that the spheres imagined by our ancestors did not exist, that nature, the number and course of the planets and stars, are not indeed as they were then thought to be, still the fundamental principle remained that the universe, whatever be the order that sustains it in its parts, is the work of the creating and preserving sign of Omnipotent God, who moves and governs all, and whose glory risplende ini una parte piu e meno altrove; and though this Earth on which we live may not be the center of the universe as at one time was thought, it was the scene of the original happiness of our first ancestors, witness of their unhappy fall, as too of the Redemption of mankind through the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ."

The Earth is at least the Spiritual CENTER of the Universe no matter how the "cosmos" actually works.

But that's not what the had traditionally believed, right? Why was it that Galileo was condemned?


Offline Meg

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2017, 02:06:29 PM »
But that's not what the had traditionally believed, right? Why was it that Galileo was condemned?

Oops....Correction:

"That's not what the *Church* had traditionally believed, right?"


Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2017, 03:43:33 PM »
I knew what you meant but wasn't going to be petty.
As far as that is concerned MHFM has a great article on this "http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Geocentrism.pdf
I've already argued this a bit with cassini. I don't want to waste a lot more time on this as I don't believe it has any effect on the Faith.
You even think that if these exchanges were ftf, some of us would be:
1. Drenched in holy water
2. Staked
3. Decapitated
4. Burnt
5. Ashes scattered

"MHFM...ahhhh!"

Your last line is the best. "Does it edify? Does it contribute to salvation? Even if  so, are there things more effective uses of my time?"

That's exactly the point. Even if true, is it a rabbit trail? If so, it does have an effect, just not a good one.

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2017, 10:55:58 PM »
So this is page 6 and the flat-earthers still have no explanation for the eclipse.
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The moon enters its first quarter in 3 hours 15 minutes. 
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Maybe the flat-earthers can explain the quarter moon, if they can't explain the eclipse.
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But I doubt it.
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