Author Topic: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse (Read 27343 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #30 on:** August 23, 2017, 04:36:10 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 22, 2017, 08:54:46 PM

Quote from: hismajesty on Yesterday at 12:23:12 PM
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The sun and the moon are most likely the same size. This makes a SOLAR eclipse easily explained when you think about it. The moon goes in front of the sun.
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You missed your chance to ask an intelligent question.
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You missed another chance to ask an intelligent question.
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Yet another chance to ask an intelligent question!
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And yet ANOTHER missed opportunity!!
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So evidently the penultimate paragraph must represent something that you agree with, since you only replied to the last one.
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Speaking of which, when I visited there about 3 months ago, there were zero (0) visitors, and since you claim there are "three times as many now" as there were then, that would still be zero, because 3 x 0 = 0.

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So many missed opportunities.
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Does this mean hismoronsty has given up trying to ask intelligent questions?
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #31 on:** August 23, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »

Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 23, 2017, 04:35:46 PM

If there aren't any aliens then why are so many people getting butt-hurt over all the Hajjis and Joses?

omuzadde atazadde musasira,Omukyala awulira nti ayagala kuzaala tasibamu,nze nkyayagala okuzaala mwana,gwe nze naseka nenkowa kati ntunula,ngabwenyumilwa ninga alimu rabonita.Haji sagala olekele awo byoyogela,binyumidde nyoooooo kale.Haji.anyumidde..............

DZ PLEASE · « **Reply #32 on:** August 23, 2017, 04:58:40 PM »

On the other hand, if the world DOES have an edge, that suggests a pretty handy, no wait, no papers resettlement area for our would-be and actual unpapered invaders.

Free tours for AntiFa too…

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 23, 2017, 04:42:19 PM

omuzadde atazadde musasira,Omukyala awulira nti ayagala kuzaala tasibamu,nze nkyayagala okuzaala mwana,gwe nze naseka nenkowa kati ntunula,ngabwenyumilwa ninga alimu rabonita.Haji sagala olekele awo byoyogela,binyumidde nyoooooo kale.Haji.anyumidde..............

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #33 on:** August 23, 2017, 05:26:12 PM »

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The following material is quoted from an UNRELIABLE website which caused my computer to do multiple blocks of pop-up ads, and so I recommend you DO NOT go to this site if you don't have adequate antivirus software in use or if you don't want to be fighting malware or grayware or malicious code --- https://mic.com/articles/183523/flat-earth-theories-total-solar-eclipse-2017#.lv2m8WL2d
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On Aug. 21, a portion of the United States will be plunged into darkness as the moon blocks out the sun — the first total solar eclipse in 99 years. But astronomers (both professional and amateur) aren’t the only groups excited for this once-in-a-lifetime event. Another, more controversial community believes the upcoming eclipse could provide overwhelming evidence to support their cause. These people are flat Earthers, and they believe the solar eclipse will prove once and for all the Earth is not a sphere.

I spoke with four flat-Earth truthers about the 2017 solar eclipse. Though they didn’t all agree on what, exactly, we might see on Aug. 21, they all believe there’s something fishy happening.

To many flat Earthers, two key aspects of the Aug. 21 event are irrefutable proof the Earth is stationary.

No. 1: the eclipse’s path. Flat Earthers say the path of totality across the United States — from west to east — means the Earth isn’t spinning at all. If the Earth is rotating west to east, as science says it is, wouldn’t the moon’s shadow pass across the surface from east to west? A 23-minute YouTube video by the channel Flat Earth Talk explains this theory in much greater detail.

No. 2: the shadow. The other aspect of the eclipse seen as flat-Earth proof is the size of the shadow the moon will cast on the Earth. An object’s shadow can’t be smaller than the object itself, flat Earthers argue. So how can the moon’s shadow be smaller than the moon?

Proof of flat Earth during the eclipse

If your head is spinning trying to comprehend these arguments, you’re not alone.

I asked a Chicago-based truther named Charlie Flowers, who says he’s a former schoolteacher, to explain more.

Flowers believes we’re living on a flat plane covered by a big glass dome — the “firmament” frequently described in the flat-Earth scene. The sun, moon and stars are all inside the firmament, he said, and there are no planets besides Earth.

Flowers’ theory is based on Biblical interpretation. The Book of Genesis describes God placing a “firmament” over the Earth and placing lights in it.

“The sun is a light,” Flowers said in a phone interview. “They’re all lights. The sun and the moon are the same size and they spin above us and it’s a battery.” He went on to explain that when we see the moon waxing and waning, what we’re actually seeing is the moon losing and gaining electrical charge. “It’s a battery system. The moon is the negative and the sun is the positive.”

“They’re all lights. The sun and the moon are the same size and they spin above us and it’s a battery.”

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If you read such descriptions of their "explanation for the total solar eclipse" and come away asking "But how does any of that explain the eclipse," then you might realize you're onto something. As they say, "Something is fishy."
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Indeed, something is highly fishy, something like how do flat-earthers claim to be explaining the eclipse when they don't explain the eclipse?
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Perhaps they're devotees of Benedict XVI's hermeneutic of continuity, in which he basically says you can have A and NOT A at the same time, and that's fine, because it's "continuity" that's important. Never mind that A and NOT A are discontinuous in the extreme. Never mind that detail. Everything's gonna be fine......... F-I-N-E.
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Now for the errors.
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The above quote is full of objective falsehood.
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The Aug. 21st solar eclipse is not "the first total solar eclipse in 99 years." There have been several in the past century, the one closest to this being in 1979, which passed along the Colombia river in Washington/Oregon. I know for certain because I was there and I witnessed it first hand.
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Next, while the flat-earthers hoped the eclipse would prove "once and for all the earth is flat and not a sphere" came to naught, because it in fact proves just the opposite, that the earth is not flat but is a sphere.
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Then they jump topic and start going on about how the eclipse "proves" the earth is stationary. Never mind that it is impossible to "prove" absolute movement or non-movement anywhere in the universe. Scientists have been trying to do so for hundreds of years and come up empty. But it's a straw-man argument because whether the earth moves or not (the Church has weighed in on the non-movement of the earth, in the Galileo case, with little effect on the world's concern), that doesn't explain what is happening in the eclipse.
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The direction of the moon's shadow over the earth is a product of the relative motion of the sun, moon and earth. For us to understand what's happening we ought to PRESUME the earth is stationary because that's our point of reference. The problem with most educators trying to describe this scene stems from them changing points of reference from earth to moon to sun but they don't bother to explain that's what they're doing. The REASON they don't explain it is because if they did so, they would have to say, "Imagine that from the point of view of the earth not moving, the sun is moving across the sky and so is the moon,..." etc. You see the problem? They would have to ask their students to consider thinking about the earth being stationary. THAT WOULD RAISE QUESTIONS, such as, "But I thought you said the earth is orbiting the sun -- now you're asking us to think the sun is orbiting the earth," and so on. Not wanting to open that Pandora's Box, with all the consequences that ensue, they switch points of reference from watching the sun and moon, to watching the earth and moon from the point of view of the sun. This changing points of reference causes the viewer to invoke a reversal of movement, from left to right, toward right to left. But they only accomplish confusion by doing this, sometimes without explaining what's going on.
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To make matters worse, the flat-earthers quoted above suddenly jump topic again to saying the sun and earth are positive and negative lights and they're a "battery" that is charging and discharging. This is utter fantasy, never heard of before, and without any evidence or description of where the "electricity" is or how it flows, or how it can be measured or you-name-it.
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Like they say, "If your head is spinning trying to comprehend these arguments, you’re not alone."
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Now they only have to stop and consider that it's their own description that is causing everyone's head to spin.
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kiwiboy · « **Reply #34 on:** August 23, 2017, 05:33:03 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 23, 2017, 04:28:32 PM

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Correction: you ARE the newcomer. So it's the newcomer leading the newcomers, IOW the blind leading the blind, and you both fall into the pit.
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Are you self-satisfied being a liar?
Do you wake up in the morning hoping to perpetrate more lies today?
If you're Catholic, you ought to have no problem in Confession, with such a long list, that is, until your confessor realizes that you're not sorry and have no intention to stop lying, in which case you won't be given absolution. But even if he doesn't realize it, your confession will be invalid because you have no remorse and no firm purpose of amendment. But you're probably not Catholic, so then you'd have a whole different level of things to worry about, besides your conspicuous error of flat-earthism.
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Wrong again. (So what else is new?)
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I answered the video above several times, in great detail, but you were not a member yet, since you only recently came over to CI from flat-earth-tards. You ought to just go back there because without your help they won't get any posts. HAHAHA
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I have never said that I "believe in aliens." I posted a thread describing coverage of a recent find in South America for the edification of the readers, because the MSM isn't covering it. I have no idea if it's fake or what, but it looked interesting. I could just as well accuse you of devil worship or necromancy or anything else, but correctly identifying your lying is a slam dunk. You, kiwiboy are a liar. Plain and simple.
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Other flat-earthers at least give the appearance of trying to be truthful, but you are proud to lie and lie and lie again.
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Shame on you.
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lol

look like a sore spot has been touched!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #35 on:** August 23, 2017, 05:34:42 PM »

Quote from: kiwiboy on August 23, 2017, 05:33:03 PM

lol
look like a sore spot has been touched!

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............. liar ..............

kiwiboy · « **Reply #36 on:** August 23, 2017, 05:44:52 PM »

are you taking time off work at NASA to post on Cathinfo? Or are they paying you to do all this globe earth trolling?
It's a serious question.

You may as well give us the details now that everyone knows you work for them officially.

happenby · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2017, 06:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 23, 2017, 04:42:19 PM

omuzadde atazadde musasira,Omukyala awulira nti ayagala kuzaala tasibamu,nze nkyayagala okuzaala mwana,gwe nze naseka nenkowa kati ntunula,ngabwenyumilwa ninga alimu rabonita.Haji sagala olekele awo byoyogela,binyumidde nyoooooo kale.Haji.anyumidde..............

Typical Neil answer. Blah, blah, blah.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #38 on:** August 23, 2017, 07:45:42 PM »

Quote from: happenby on August 23, 2017, 06:11:01 PM

Typical Neil answer. Blah, blah, blah.

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Maybe you ought to learn how to use a translator?
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No, that would be asking too much, I know, to expect you might prefer to be free from ignorance.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #39 on:** August 24, 2017, 08:37:31 PM »

Quote from: kiwiboy on August 23, 2017, 05:44:52 PM

are you taking time off work at NASA to post on Cathinfo? Or are they paying you to do all this globe earth trolling?
It's a serious question.

You may as well give us the details now that everyone knows you work for them officially.

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Are you using up your free time in the State Pen to use the Internet, little boy? Or should I say little fruit boy?
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Seriously. If you don't have any more time left on the computer they won't let you watch your claymation cartoons.
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So you had better own up so everyone knows where to find you when you're up for parole.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #40 on:** August 24, 2017, 08:44:35 PM »

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I should really thank YouTube, for all the flat-earther videos on the eclipse, though.
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I have to admit, I never dreamed they'd be saying it was a HOAX by NASA using holographic projection.
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I never thought so many comments would be posted by viewers who were happy to see "the truth" for once.
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They are screaming as if with one voice that there was NO MOON in the sky and it must be A HOAX!!
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So our resident flat-earthers here on CI are not entirely so vacuous as I had thought.
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No, there are OTHERS who think some mysterious unidentifiable ghostly body moves separate from the moon, causing eclipses.
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Absolutely unbelievable.
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Well, what it is, what it is. Some people are gullible to believe ANYTHING, apparently.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #41 on:** August 24, 2017, 08:56:24 PM »

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There is another thread with more posts like this one -- check it out!!
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Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 23, 2017, 07:03:33 PM

You flat-earthers are really missing out.
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There is a profusion of flat-earther videos posted on YouTube claiming the eclipse was a HOAX!

NASA 100 % PROOF THE SOLAR ECLIPSE WASN'T REAL
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They whine and moan that there is no moon in the sky while the moon is moving in front of the sun.
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But their lousy camera equipment has no filters so of course you can't see the moon under overexposure.
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Then at 4:45 to 4:58 you get the Diamond Ring effect but since they don't know what that is, nobody identifies it!!
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"IT COVERED THE SUN SUPER FAST AND THEN SAT THERE AND DIDNT MOVE EVER AGAIN" they have on the screen at 5:10.

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The Bad Fruits of Flat-Earthism
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"Nothing passed in front of the sun!!
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FAKE ECLIPSE August 21 2017 - Something went Wrong - "Graphics" in The "HOLOGRAPHIC SKY" ...
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Nothing caused the sun eclipse today! It's a whole new ball game now!
Welcome to Flat-Earth!! NASA, you are SUCH LIARS!!

This was totally unexpected -- there was nothing blocking the sun's light -- just nothing there!!!
Something ELSE eclipsed the sun today, it wasn't the moon! There was no moon there!!!!!!!
We have some very top people working on this!
As soon as we have something, we'll let you know!!!
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #42 on:** August 25, 2017, 02:58:51 AM »

Bottom line, flat-earthers can't explain a soar eclipse.
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Too many questions they can't answer.
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Why doesn't the moon and sun smash into each other if they're both the same distance away from earth?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the sun appear the same size in the morning rising as it does at high noon and as it does setting in the evening?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the sun appear the same size everywhere on earth at the same time?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the moon's light side facing the sun at the first quarter (coming up next week) in the evening face downward below the horizon?
If it's facing the sun the sun ought to be sliding along the horizon toward the north pole, not dipping down underneath the earth like that.
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Oh, but wait -- if you're in the southern hemisphere, the sun should be sliding around the south pole, so how does it slide around the south pole at the same time it slides around the north pole?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does a ring of sunlight surround the moon during an annular eclipse?
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Can't answer that?
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There are a lot of questions flat-earthers can't answer.
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happenby · « **Reply #43 on:** August 25, 2017, 04:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 25, 2017, 02:58:51 AM

Bottom line, flat-earthers can't explain a soar eclipse.
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Too many questions they can't answer.
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Why doesn't the moon and sun smash into each other if they're both the same distance away from earth?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the sun appear the same size in the morning rising as it does at high noon and as it does setting in the evening?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the sun appear the same size everywhere on earth at the same time?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does the moon's light side facing the sun at the first quarter (coming up next week) in the evening face downward below the horizon?
If it's facing the sun the sun ought to be sliding along the horizon toward the north pole, not dipping down underneath the earth like that.
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Oh, but wait -- if you're in the southern hemisphere, the sun should be sliding around the south pole, so how does it slide around the south pole at the same time it slides around the north pole?
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Can't answer that?
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Why does a ring of sunlight surround the moon during an annular eclipse?
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Can't answer that?
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There are a lot of questions flat-earthers can't answer.
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Oh please...a solar eclipse shadow that goes west to east is easily explained on a flat earth. Impossible to explain on a ball. NASA rep said it would be months of study to figure out out. Hahahahaha!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #44 on:** August 25, 2017, 05:53:22 PM »

Quote from: happenby on August 25, 2017, 04:51:57 PM

Oh please...a solar eclipse shadow that goes west to east is easily explained on a flat earth. Impossible to explain on a ball. NASA rep said it would be months of study to figure out out. Hahahahaha!

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There you go again, not explaining a solar eclipse.
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Flat-earthers can't explain a solar eclipse but they say they can -- and then they don't, so they're liars.
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The moon and sun which they claim are the same distance away from the earth would smash into each other during eclipse.
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Or the moon would go behind the sun sometimes and it never does.
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The globe earth is very simple on the other hand, as the diagrams provided show.
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Watch the sun cross the sky (for once) and watch the moon.
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The sun crosses the sky faster than the moon does, which is why the eclipse moves from west to east.
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Solar eclipses ALWAYS move from west to east because the sun ALWAYS crosses the sky faster than the moon.
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No flat-earth diagram shows how the eclipse could take place and you know it, so you're just lying, as usual.
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The times and dates of future eclipses have already been announced, just as they were for this past one.
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But flat-earthers cannot predict eclipses, and they tried to deny this last one but that didn't work, did it.
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No, it didn't work. Never has, never will.
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Go ahead and make a fool of yourself, you don't need any help.
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