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Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2017, 10:45:39 AM »
I agree. When someone says that something is Dogma, I take it very seriously.

As all should. There is an old quote about a "papist" gent wanting fresh dogma for breakfast.

When I saw them saying that Flatearth was Dogma I did quite a bit of research. I looked at the their arguments because I'm very skeptical of all things modern and thought maybe they had a case. After looking at all I was willing to, I realized that there isn't really anything convincing enough to change my position to a Flatearther that can't be refuted by modern science. On the Dogma end, there is absolutely nothing to prove that it is Church teaching.

Even then caution must be exercised. It is possible that there be an honest mistake about the status of a thing as you likely already know.  The really "funny" thing about these sorts of "dogmatists" is that they frequently are the ones who, tacitly or expressly, discard the other communications that bind as well. "Is it 'infallible' (irreformable)?" or even worse, "Did the pope solemnly define it while sitting in a literal chair? (okay, the literal part is a rare occurence, but you get the point) "No? Nyah nyanny boo boo, I don't have to, I'm rubber you're glue."

They isolate texts in Scripture and throw the context out. It's too bad.

"There but by the grace, and more fool you."

Offline Meg

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2017, 12:30:56 PM »
I agree. When someone says that something is Dogma, I take it very seriously. When I saw them saying that Flatearth was Dogma I did quite a bit of research. I looked at the their arguments because I'm very skeptical of all things modern and thought maybe they had a case. After looking at all I was willing to, I realized that there isn't really anything convincing enough to change my position to a Flatearther that can't be refuted by modern science. On the Dogma end, there is absolutely nothing to prove that it is Church teaching. They isolate texts in Scripture and throw the context out. It's too bad.

Where have flat-earthers stated that the flat earth is a dogma of the Church? I don't recall seeing that at all.


Offline Meg

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2017, 12:45:19 PM »
I've at least seen posters treat it as if it is Dogma. Whether they say it is or not is beside the point. Although, I'm pretty sure I've seen them at least imply it is Dogma or one may not be Catholic if one does not believe in it.

Well, that's not the same thing at all. It's dishonest to say that flat-earthers have said that it's a dogma when they've said no such thing.

Evidently, honesty isn't a virtue that you take seriously, or adhere to.

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2017, 12:52:14 PM »
I've at least seen posters treat it as if it is Dogma. Whether they say it is or not is beside the point. Although, I'm pretty sure I've seen them at least imply it is Dogma or one may not be Catholic if one does not believe in it.
I believe that the precise phrase sought is "dogmatic fact" as in, "At least the most...'ardent' Flat-Earthers (I really hate designations like that) treat that view as if it were a dogmatic fact, if not claiming it to be dogma outright."

y/n?

If not, then what precisely is the big deal? Does it bind in any respect?

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2017, 01:09:16 PM »
Yes, I guess that would have been more precise. Claiming that the fathers all or mostly taught it and that it's in Scripture would at least imply that they believe it constitutes divine revelation. While I accept what Meg said as true, maybe they didn't come out and say the word Dogma, they treat it as if it's part of our faith which to deny would make one not Catholic.
Alright, now for just one "however"...