Author Topic: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse (Read 10449 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #105 on:** February 17, 2018, 06:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 17, 2018, 05:56:15 PM

There are many things about the moon that bother me, particularly how the moon could rotate so perfectly in sync with its rotation that we have only ever seen the one face of it. Even if it were just a few minutes off per day, the face we see would slowly change over time. I don't buy this whole "tidal locking" explanation.

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We have to realize that there are things about our universe that we don't understand, and maybe we never will.
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We can be circuмspect about the moon's curious orientation to the earth. That's reasonable. But facts are facts.
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What we see is not an illusion. The moon really has a near side and a far side. And that has to be more than "random chance."
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It must have happened because of one or more reasons or causes, but what those are is yet to be discovered.
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We have no reason to think that the moon has ever appeared differently from earth, since very ancient drawings of the moon appear with features indistinguishable from what we see today.
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And very accurate measurements of the moon's wobbling motion show that the limits of its wobble are very closely maintained, but BY WHAT is another question!
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It seems to me we'll have a lot more data to consider once we find out whether moons of other planets are "locked in" to facing the planet from the same side or not. But then, if not, perhaps something about what material comprises the interior of the earth and moon vs. what material is inside the other planets and their moons will play a part in the comparison.
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One thing to think about is how the near side of the moon has vast areas with very little crater deformation which means less evidence of asteroid impact compared to the far side of the moon. This implies that there have been many more times the impacts on the far side compared to the near side. And this makes a lot of sense when you consider that the near side of the moon has probably been PROTECTED by the presence of the earth nearby (240,000 miles is "nearby" astronomically speaking) because the gravitational pull of the earth has no doubt deflected many asteroids away from the moon or else has pulled them into collision with the earth instead of allowing them to proceed onward to hit the moon on the near side facing earth.
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aryzia · « **Reply #106 on:** February 17, 2018, 08:06:46 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 17, 2018, 05:41:57 PM

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Another aspect of the video you posted which you (in your die-hard flat-earthism mindset) will never comprehend is due to them having used several locations for taking videos of the eclipse. The locations were not close to each other, one on the east coast, another on the west coast and one in between. They switched from one to another to avoid cloud cover conditions but they didn't bother to identify where the shots were taken from.
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You, who claim the moon mysteriously "rolls like a wheel" across the sky, fail to realize that it's your head that's doing the rolling because you turn your head in a different plane than the one the moon is moving in.
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The shots of the moon in your video from different locations will necessarily show the earth's shadow looking differently when cast upon a globe moon viewed at different angles of UP and DOWN. What is level in Florida is about 20 degrees sloped in California, due to the earth's curvature.
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There are many, many ways we can see the effects of the earth's curvature all around us, every day, and this is one more example.
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When the earth's shadow begins to come down from "the TOP" of the moon (actually it's from the left top corner, not the TOP and straight down) as seen from the east coast of the USA, at the same time viewed from the west coast the shadow appears to be coming from the left side of the moon because 3,000 miles of earth's curvature gives the moon appearing to have rotated about 20 degrees counterclockwise (which you mistake for "rolling like a wheel"), but that's due entirely to the curvature of the earth and the moon's curving orbit around the earth.
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Ha ha, this is so lame. The shadow proves earth isn't the cause.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #107 on:** February 20, 2018, 09:34:07 PM »

Quote from: aryzia on February 17, 2018, 08:06:46 PM

Ha ha, this is so lame. The shadow proves earth isn't the cause.

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Even when flat-earthers are trying to hurl insults they make fools of themselves. Can't manage to do anything quite right, eh?
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Your reaction here only proves you don't WANT the earth to be the cause.
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The shadow of the earth on the moon is positive proof of the sphericity of the earth, since the shadow is ALWAYS circular.
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That means no matter which lunar eclipse you see, the earth's shadow comes in circular and goes out circular.
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There is never any "flat" shadow from the earth cast upon the moon.
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happenby · « **Reply #108 on:** February 20, 2018, 10:00:28 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 20, 2018, 09:34:07 PM

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Even when flat-earthers are trying to hurl insults they make fools of themselves. Can't manage to do anything quite right, eh?
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Your reaction here only proves you don't WANT the earth to be the cause.
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The shadow of the earth on the moon is positive proof of the sphericity of the earth, since the shadow is ALWAYS circular.
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That means no matter which lunar eclipse you see, the earth's shadow comes in circular and goes out circular.
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There is never any "flat" shadow from the earth cast upon the moon.
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Shadows take the shape of the thing they are projected onto. A sphere casting a shadow on a sphere does not make a shadow like what passes over the moon. That necessarily is not a shadow made by something spherical. Two smalls spheres, a light source, a piece of cardboard and a stick will show that it is impossible for one sphere to cast a spherical shadow on the other. But the cardboard cut flat on one edge, or the stick will produce a curved shadow onto either sphere.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #109 on:** February 20, 2018, 10:48:16 PM »

Quote from: happenby on February 20, 2018, 10:00:28 PM

Shadows take the shape of the thing they are projected onto. A sphere casting a shadow on a sphere does not make a shadow like what passes over the moon.

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Wrong. Again.
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The spherical earth casts a circular shadow on the spherical moon and when seen from earth it looks round.
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The curved surface of the moon receives the round shadow of the earth directly FROM the earth, and we ON the earth see how it was projected, at great distance. Very simple. The earth's shadow on the moon is seen the same way it arrived, from a round earth, round in all aspects from the outside, in other words, spherical.
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That necessarily is not a shadow made by something spherical. Two smalls spheres, a light source, a piece of cardboard and a stick will show that it is impossible for one sphere to cast a spherical shadow on the other. But the cardboard cut flat on one edge, or the stick will produce a curved shadow onto either sphere.

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Oh, great denseness personified, how many ways can you continue to be dense?
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Two small spheres and a light source will ALWAYS show a round shadow WHEN THE OBSERVER VIEWS FROM THE MIDDLE SPHERE.
A piece of cardboard is useless unless you're trying to see what the shadow looks like from some other place in the room. The straight stick will ALWAYS cast a straight shadow on a sphere when viewed from the STICK.
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Any total lunar eclipse viewed from a point far away from earth will have a different shape of shadow, but that's not what we see from earth.
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We are not just looking at one case. We are considering HUNDREDS of cases through the centuries, and every single one of them has the same appearance. The shadow of the earth passing over the moon is ALWAYS round. It's NEVER flat, square, oblong, triangle or "flat." Period.
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This is called the physical evidence of factual history. You can't get around the TRUTH.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #110 on:** February 20, 2018, 10:53:55 PM »

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It has been recognized for many centuries that the consistently circular shape of the shadow earth casts on the moon is direct evidence of the spherical shape of the earth.
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There never has been any serious contention against this conclusion.
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It is patently ridiculous to try making an example of what a sphere's shadow on another sphere looks like when the point of observation is a THIRD location (instead of the location of the shadow-casting sphere).
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Smedley Butler · « **Reply #111 on:** February 21, 2018, 09:19:50 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 17, 2018, 02:43:52 PM

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In fact, the ONLY time we get a lunar eclipse is when the sun is on one side of the earth and the moon is on the opposite side.
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I know, for flat-earthers, that's heresy.
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But it's only "heresy" in their fantasy Modernism dreamland.
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Except for those pesky photos posted of the sun & the moon in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #112 on:** February 23, 2018, 02:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Smedley Butler on February 21, 2018, 09:19:50 AM

Except for those pesky photos posted of the sun & the moon in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse.

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The photos to which you refer do not show the sun and moon both visible in the sky during the eclipse.
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The moon is visible, with a copper hue ("blood moon") but the sun is not above the horizon. Only the glow of pre-dawn is seen.
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However, by abusing the exposure of the camera the picture is overexposed near where the sun will soon rise and you can't see what is there due to the overexposure. But the narrator says "there is the sun!" even though the sun is not there yet.
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The same deception is used in videos which claim that the sun gets smaller as it sets in the west by overexposing the footage when the sun is high in the sky making it look like the sun is very large, but all it is is an overexposed sun that seems to be about 5 times the diameter it would be if the proper filters were used. The photographer did not use filters because he was attempting to skew his image to make the sun appear 5 times larger than it actually should look.
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Flat-earthers are prone to frequent deception, for whatever reason. Probably because they can't provide anything truly convincing.
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If it is an emulsion film camera you probably won't cause any damage, unless the internal light meter gets too much sunlight.
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But if you're using a digital camera, you could damage it by overexposing it to the harmful effect of focused direct sunlight.
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Not to mention the damage you can do to your own eye if you're stupid enough to be looking through the viewfinder while filming the sun, even if you can't quite see the sun before sunrise.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #113 on:** February 23, 2018, 02:47:57 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 17, 2018, 06:33:21 PM

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One thing to think about is how the near side of the moon has vast areas with very little crater deformation which means less evidence of asteroid impact compared to the far side of the moon. This implies that there have been many more times the impacts on the far side compared to the near side. And this makes a lot of sense when you consider that the near side of the moon has probably been PROTECTED by the presence of the earth nearby (240,000 miles is "nearby" astronomically speaking) because the gravitational pull of the earth has no doubt deflected many asteroids away from the moon or else has pulled them into collision with the earth instead of allowing them to proceed onward to hit the moon on the near side facing earth.
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This part is still under study by astronomers and astrophysicists:
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The near side of the moon has vast areas with very little crater deformation which means less evidence of asteroid impact compared to the far side of the moon. This implies that there have been many more times the impacts on the far side compared to the near side. And this makes a lot of sense when you consider that the near side of the moon has probably been PROTECTED by the presence of the earth nearby (240,000 miles is "nearby" astronomically speaking) because the gravitational pull of the earth has no doubt deflected many asteroids away from the moon or else has pulled them into collision with the earth instead of allowing them to proceed onward to hit the moon on the near side facing earth.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #114 on:** February 23, 2018, 03:14:23 PM »

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Question (the title of this thread) How Do Flat-Earthers Explain an Eclipse?
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In reply, flat-earthers admit they have no explanation for a lunar eclipse.
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But they can't explain a solar eclipse, either, since their sun model and moon model are the same size, and usually during a solar eclipse the moon appears SMALLER than the sun, because annular eclipses are more common than total solar eclipses. If the sun and moon were the same size, then in order for the sun to appear larger than the moon, as it always does during an annular eclipse which is the more frequent kind, the moon would have to be BEHIND the sun (thereby making it appear smaller than the sun), but that is not what we see at all. During an annular eclipse the moon always passes in FRONT of the sun, never behind it.
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In any case, if the moon were to be behind the sun at ANY time and in front of it at other times, then it would only be a matter of time before the sun and moon smash into each other during a transition period, some day. But that hasn't happened, either.
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Quote from: hismajesty on August 22, 2017, 02:23:12 PM

Going to do my best to be patient in spite of all the trolling here.

The sun and the moon are most likely the same size. This makes a SOLAR eclipse easily explained when you think about it. The moon goes in front of the sun.

What we flat earthers do not have an explanation for is a LUNAR eclipse. There is possibly a dark body in the sky. Or it is simply in the nature of the moon to do this every so often.

In any case, all the self complacent cynics wasting space on this forum should eat some humble pie when they realise they can't explain the apparition of objects which should be beyond the horizon. There is no curve folks. Mock us all you want, it wont make the curve appear.

http://flatearthtards.forumgaga.net/t17-objects-over-the-horizon-poofs

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As for eating humble pie, you ought to be paying better attention to the numerous posts showing the phenomenon of looming and refraction at the horizon caused by layers of different temperature especially over bodies of water where humidity varies greatly.
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The earth is not "flat," folks.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #115 on:** March 01, 2018, 08:05:24 PM »

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One would think that after 8 pages flat-earthers would have come up with an explanation for eclipses.
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Like why are most eclipses annular?
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Why does the moon never go behind the sun?
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How come no flat-earthers can predict eclipses?
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Why is there no flat-earth model that can be used for prediction of eclipses?
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Why do flat-earthers turn somersaults trying to excuse themselves from not having any model that works?
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happenby · « **Reply #116 on:** March 01, 2018, 08:05:57 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on March 01, 2018, 08:05:24 PM

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One would think that after 9 pages flat-earthers would have come up with an explanation for eclipses.
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Like why are most eclipses annular?
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Why does the moon never go behind the sun?
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How come no flat-earthers can predict eclipses?
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Why is there no flat-earth model that can be used for prediction of eclipses?
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Why do flat-earthers turn somersaults trying to excuse themselves from not having any model that works?
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This has been answered over and over again.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #117 on:** March 01, 2018, 08:16:58 PM »

Quote from: happenby on March 01, 2018, 08:05:57 PM

This has been answered over and over again.

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Oh, really? So what are the answers then, or provide a link.
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Like, since most eclipses are annular and flat-earthers say the sun and moon are the "same size" then why does the moon appear further away (since it's smaller during an annular eclipse) but it moves in FRONT of the sun instead of behind it (further away)?
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Where is your answer for that?

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