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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #105 on: February 17, 2018, 06:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 17, 2018, 05:56:15 PM
There are many things about the moon that bother me, particularly how the moon could rotate so perfectly in sync with its rotation that we have only ever seen the one face of it.  Even if it were just a few minutes off per day, the face we see would slowly change over time.  I don't buy this whole "tidal locking" explanation.
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We have to realize that there are things about our universe that we don't understand, and maybe we never will.
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We can be circuмspect about the moon's curious orientation to the earth. That's reasonable. But facts are facts.
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What we see is not an illusion. The moon really has a near side and a far side. And that has to be more than "random chance."
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It must have happened because of one or more reasons or causes, but what those are is yet to be discovered.
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We have no reason to think that the moon has ever appeared differently from earth, since very ancient drawings of the moon appear with features indistinguishable from what we see today.
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And very accurate measurements of the moon's wobbling motion show that the limits of its wobble are very closely maintained, but BY WHAT is another question!
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It seems to me we'll have a lot more data to consider once we find out whether moons of other planets are "locked in" to facing the planet from the same side or not. But then, if not, perhaps something about what material comprises the interior of the earth and moon vs. what material is inside the other planets and their moons will play a part in the comparison.
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One thing to think about is how the near side of the moon has vast areas with very little crater deformation which means less evidence of asteroid impact compared to the far side of the moon. This implies that there have been many more times the impacts on the far side compared to the near side. And this makes a lot of sense when you consider that the near side of the moon has probably been PROTECTED by the presence of the earth nearby (240,000 miles is "nearby" astronomically speaking) because the gravitational pull of the earth has no doubt deflected many asteroids away from the moon or else has pulled them into collision with the earth instead of allowing them to proceed onward to hit the moon on the near side facing earth.
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Offline aryzia

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #106 on: February 17, 2018, 08:06:46 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 17, 2018, 05:41:57 PM
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Another aspect of the video you posted which you (in your die-hard flat-earthism mindset) will never comprehend is due to them having used several locations for taking videos of the eclipse. The locations were not close to each other, one on the east coast, another on the west coast and one in between. They switched from one to another to avoid cloud cover conditions but they didn't bother to identify where the shots were taken from.
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You, who claim the moon mysteriously "rolls like a wheel" across the sky, fail to realize that it's your head that's doing the rolling because you turn your head in a different plane than the one the moon is moving in.
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The shots of the moon in your video from different locations will necessarily show the earth's shadow looking differently when cast upon a globe moon viewed at different angles of UP and DOWN. What is level in Florida is about 20 degrees sloped in California, due to the earth's curvature.
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There are many, many ways we can see the effects of the earth's curvature all around us, every day, and this is one more example.
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When the earth's shadow begins to come down from "the TOP" of the moon (actually it's from the left top corner, not the TOP and straight down) as seen from the east coast of the USA, at the same time viewed from the west coast the shadow appears to be coming from the left side of the moon because 3,000 miles of earth's curvature gives the moon appearing to have rotated about 20 degrees counterclockwise (which you mistake for "rolling like a wheel"), but that's due entirely to the curvature of the earth and the moon's curving orbit around the earth.
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Ha ha, this is so lame. The shadow proves earth isn't the cause.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #107 on: February 20, 2018, 09:34:07 PM »
Quote from: aryzia on February 17, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
Ha ha, this is so lame. The shadow proves earth isn't the cause.
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Even when flat-earthers are trying to hurl insults they make fools of themselves. Can't manage to do anything quite right, eh?
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Your reaction here only proves you don't WANT the earth to be the cause.
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The shadow of the earth on the moon is positive proof of the sphericity of the earth, since the shadow is ALWAYS circular.
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That means no matter which lunar eclipse you see, the earth's shadow comes in circular and goes out circular.
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There is never any "flat" shadow from the earth cast upon the moon.
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Offline happenby

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2018, 10:00:28 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on February 20, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
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Even when flat-earthers are trying to hurl insults they make fools of themselves. Can't manage to do anything quite right, eh?
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Your reaction here only proves you don't WANT the earth to be the cause.
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The shadow of the earth on the moon is positive proof of the sphericity of the earth, since the shadow is ALWAYS circular.
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That means no matter which lunar eclipse you see, the earth's shadow comes in circular and goes out circular.
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There is never any "flat" shadow from the earth cast upon the moon.
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Shadows take the shape of the thing they are projected onto.  A sphere casting a shadow on a sphere does not make a shadow like what passes over the moon.  That necessarily is not a shadow made by something spherical.  Two smalls spheres, a light source, a piece of cardboard and a stick will show that it is impossible for one sphere to cast a spherical shadow on the other.  But the cardboard cut flat on one edge, or the stick will produce a curved shadow onto either sphere.    
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: How do Flat Earthers explain an Eclipse
« Reply #109 on: February 20, 2018, 10:48:16 PM »
Quote from: happenby on February 20, 2018, 10:00:28 PM
Shadows take the shape of the thing they are projected onto.  A sphere casting a shadow on a sphere does not make a shadow like what passes over the moon.    
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Wrong. Again.
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The spherical earth casts a circular shadow on the spherical moon and when seen from earth it looks round.
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The curved surface of the moon receives the round shadow of the earth directly FROM the earth, and we ON the earth see how it was projected, at great distance. Very simple. The earth's shadow on the moon is seen the same way it arrived, from a round earth, round in all aspects from the outside, in other words, spherical.
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That necessarily is not a shadow made by something spherical.  Two smalls spheres, a light source, a piece of cardboard and a stick will show that it is impossible for one sphere to cast a spherical shadow on the other.  But the cardboard cut flat on one edge, or the stick will produce a curved shadow onto either sphere.   
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Oh, great denseness personified, how many ways can you continue to be dense?
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Two small spheres and a light source will ALWAYS show a round shadow WHEN THE OBSERVER VIEWS FROM THE MIDDLE SPHERE.
A piece of cardboard is useless unless you're trying to see what the shadow looks like from some other place in the room. The straight stick will ALWAYS cast a straight shadow on a sphere when viewed from the STICK.
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Any total lunar eclipse viewed from a point far away from earth will have a different shape of shadow, but that's not what we see from earth.
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We are not just looking at one case. We are considering HUNDREDS of cases through the centuries, and every single one of them has the same appearance. The shadow of the earth passing over the moon is ALWAYS round. It's NEVER flat, square, oblong, triangle or "flat." Period.
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This is called the physical evidence of factual history. You can't get around the TRUTH.
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