keep flat earth in mind as you listen because without even knowing it, this priest proves the modern science globe false.
Let me know what you think.
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Your video has
only one thing to do with "flat" earth.
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Truth is conformity of the mind to reality, whereas flat-earthers refuse to recognize the truth of reality.
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It's noteworthy that most of the Comments are bickering Protestants arguing over Purgatory:
Minister straker 2 years ago
PERGATORY??????? WHAT AND WHERE IS THIS ??? Where can i find in Scripture, King James Bible
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AveCorMariam 2 years ago
+ Praying and offering sacrifices for those in Purgatory may be related to Scripture. Judas Maccabeus 2 12:46-"made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin"......
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Nick M 1 year ago
Matthew 18:32-35 "In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed." Matthew 5:25-26 Luke 12:57-59 If they're in heaven, they don't need to pay anything back. If they're in hell, they can't pay it back. Also see: 1 cor 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." Now, you might say: "But if God forgives you, everything is forgiven." But this isn't the case: 2 sam 12:13-14 “The Lord has taken away your sin." "the son born to you will die" Even tho, he was forgiven he was still punished.
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Minister straker 1 year ago
+Nick Mottoul What do these scriptures have to do with any purgatory??????? Come on my beloved brothers and sisters, Do your research, We are not in the Dark ages anymore. why are there different sectors of Christianity? Lookup xcatholics finally getting saved!!! 2nd corinthians 5:17 .Any man in Christ is a new Creature..Is your life and lifestyle holy according to Scripture?
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Nick M 1 year ago
"why are there different sectors of Christianity?" In the West (to make a long story short): because some guy had scruples and went in against 1500 years of Christian teaching...
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KA Fleury 1 year ago
Those scriptures talk about going to "prison" -- Jesus tells us that some sins get souls tossed into fiery Gehenna, others cause souls to be imprisoned until the last penny of debt is paid, and still others talk about going to heaven. He doesn't call it heaven, but I've never heard a Protestant complain about that, or even about the word "hell" not appearing in the Bible... they just fixate on that word "purgatory." Well, "purgatory" is a place to be purged of the scars from sins -- every time we sin, it scars our souls, but God cannot stand the sight of anything impure, so we can't get into heaven (which isn't mentioned by that name in the Bible) unless we are purified, like when the prophet Ezekiel had his tongue seared by a hot coal to purify it and make him worthy. When the Church Fathers wanted to explain this "prison" to people, they didn't want the people to imagine a prison on earth, because it's a little different. In earthly prisons of the time, people were held until they went to trial, where they were determined to be innocent or guilty. If innocent, they were sent home, if guilty, they were led to execution. They might be held in prison for a very long time, but their judgement didn't take place until the trial. But when you die, your trial is immediate, and your sentence passed immediately. Either you are damned and go to hell, or you are saved and you will go to heaven....but if your soul is scarred from sin, even though the sins were forgiven, you have to remain in the place of purification, which is another way of saying "purgatory."
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minorityvoice 1 year ago
foster straker we have done oir research by conforming to the teaching of those whom the truth had been given...the Apostles and their successors. We call that the sacred Tradition. same place where we get the Trinity from which by the way is not explicitly written in scripture. The christian faith is a living faith that adheres to the objective truths of Gods Kingdom. The truth doesnt change we can only understand it more deeply clearly. Of we just stick only to scripture we lose our connection and value to the wosdom amd knowledge of our ancestors and we also near the occasion of falling into the early heresy of Palagianism. Yes being a strict literal scripture interpreter apart from the teachings of the apostles is heresy. Just because you can not see it clearly doea not mean it is not true. Consciemce must be formed. God bless.
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Ave Christus Rex 1 year ago
+Minister straker Just like "Trinity" or "Abortion" or "Limbo of the Fathers" etc don't appear in the Bible, the word "Purgatory" doesn't. Because it was a term coined probably centuries later. But these are implicitly taught in Scripture, very strongly so. I'm not going to defend those now, because you probably know about them sufficiently. The Trinity is by taking the premises that there is one God, but that three persons are treated as this God, while distinct from one another etc. Abortion is not talked about by name, or even addressed, but the concept of killing and innocent person is murder, and then God putting a soul in the person in the womb etc means abortion would be intrinsically murder. Limbo of the Fathers is just what some call the Bosom of Abraham, which Jesus talks about, where the Old Testament Fathers HAVE to have been in, with Abraham, before Jesus brought them up and into heaven with Him. After He "preached to the spirits in prison". Likewise, Scripture speaks of some kind of state where God will try people for their works, even saved people who are going ultimately to heaven. In case you are wondering, we view Purgatory thus: 'The souls of the just which, in the moment of death, are burdened with venial sins or temporal punishment due to sins, enter Purgatory.' So all that Purgatory consists of is the admission that purgation, or purification for venial sins As you know, the Catholic Church's doctrine on this, much like it is with Hell, does not teach officially or specifically a literal furnace of fire, but a place or state where people are deprived of God's grace completely and cut off from Him in eternal agony and enmity with him, suffering as in a lake of fire. But it teaches that Hell is for eternity and is not a nice place to be, torturous etc. Just the Scriptural view, basically. Except with Purgatory, it does not last forever. But Scripture does talk about such a place, again, implicitly. Now Scripture talks of Hell implicitly and metaphorically, too. Nonetheless, no one denies the realness of what Christ is teaching through the parable. When He says "And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell" (Matthew 5:30), He is quite explicit. When He is talking of Hell He also uses metaphors. Matthew 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." Matthew 15:6 " If you do not remain in Me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." Scripture elsewhere does the same concerning Hell: Luke 3:17 "His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather the wheat into His barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." .....
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Ave Christus Rex 1 year ago
+Minister straker ........ So Scripture speaks of these realities using metaphors, oftentimes. With Purgatory, it isn't referenced by name (just like the Trinity) but is taught implicitly, and by metaphor, and one explicitly taught. According to 2 Maccabees
-46 (part of Scripture, but Luther removed it from his bible, but we kept it, and doesn't need to be Scriptural for this particular historical point): "And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead) And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins." there existed in late Judaism the conviction that those who had died in sin could be helped by prayer and sacrifice of atonement. Purification from sin was ascribed to prayer and sacrifice. The early Christians took over from Judaism belief in the efficacy of intercessory prayer. Paul desired God's mercy on the day of judgement for his loyal helper Onesiphorus, who, apparently, was no longer among the living at the tune of the composition of the Second Epistle to Timothy: "The Lord grant (grace) unto him to find mercy from the Lord in that day" (2 Timothy 1:18). In Matthew 12:23, Christ says "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him. Neither in this world nor in the world to come." This means that there are sins which can be forgiven in the world to come. But we know that this cannot be for the unsaved who only have time on earth to repent and believe in Christ, not after death. In 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 Paul writes: "For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on (this_ foundation [Christ] using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed by fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He will himself be saved, but only as through fire." The imagry is clear, and is even used in reference to being tried by God in the Old Testament before: Psalm 66:10 For You have tried us, O God; You have refined us as silver is refined. Job 23:10 "But He knows the way I take; When He has tried me, I shall come forth as gold." Likewise, St. Paul uses the same language of God burning up the bad works and only if you buil with good works (represented by the "gold, silver, precious stones") will you be saved, and those who build up in their lives bad works (here "wood, hay, stubble") will be saved BUT ONLY (there is a caveat), "as through fire". Not literal fire, but through the same trying heat of God's justice. the word translated "suffer loss" comes form the root word zemiao in Greek, meaning: "I inflict loss (damage) upon, fine, punish, sometimes with the acc. of the penalty, even when the verb is passive." The same word employed in Luke
to say lose/suffer the loss of your soul! Not light words, anyway. In 2 Corinthians 7:9, the form of the word zemiao used there is even translated 'harm', "I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us." Put simply, St. Paul isn't talking about the same experience for all the saved. Some are saved as through fire, depending on the goodness or badness of their works. Bad works are 'burnt up' and good ones symbolize a proper attitude to building your life on Christ. The bad ones you will be tried for "as by fire". The Latin Fathers take the passage to mean a transient purification punishment in the other world. They interpret the words "as through fire" all too literally, even, in the sense of a physical fire. (e.g. St. Augustine, Enarr, in Ps. 37:3; Caesarius of Aries, Sermon 179) Let's look at two more: Matthew
-26 "Reconcile with your accuser quickly while you are with him on the way, lest he deliver you to the judge and the judge to the officer and you be cast into prison. Amen I say to you, You shall not leave there until you pay the last penny." Now the larger context is the Sermon on the Mount, Christ's teaching on the Kingdom of Heaven, that is of the spiritual lessons necessary to know what is good and bad and how to live. However, He is talking about heaven and Hell and who goes where or what happens to certain people. In other words, the whole sermon is very much to do with the spiritual afterlife and the lives and deeds or motivations that lead to either. It's altogether otherworldly. The immediate context before v. 25-26 is making peace with your brother before making an offering at the altar (don't try to please God while not at peace with your brethren). So do Protestants think Jesus is recommending cool ways to escape having to go to prison? NO. This is a childish and spiritually blind way of looking at Christ's teaching on the Kingdom of God (which refers to the spiritual participation of humans in the after life here on earth, as well as Heaven itself). This is a spiritual teaching (which I'll prove from Scripture in the same part of Scripture). Let's look at another teaching of Christ from His Sermon on the Mount: (notice the structure with which our Lord conveys His teachings on these matters): " Beware of false prophets who come in the clothed as sheep but inwardly are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Does one gather grapes from thorns or from thistles figs? A good tree produce good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. Neither does a bad tree produce good fruit or a good tree, bad fruit. A tree that is not producing fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, then, you will know them by their fruits." Notice the structure: ● Preliminary introduction to what the teaching concerns (false prophets). ● Parable to help explain (the reasonable nature of) the teaching (compare trees producing fruit with people whose actions and fruits can expose them or exonerate them of bad or good intent, respectively). ● And finally the spiritual summary of the parable (know people by their fruits). Now let's look at the passage about 'prison' again with its immediate context, just as above: " Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. Make peace with your accuser quickly while you are with him on the way, lest he deliver you to the judge and the judge to the officer and are cast into prison. Amen I say to you, You shall not leave there until you pay the last penny." Again, notice: ● Preliminary introduction to what the teaching concerns (forgive one another) ● Parable to help explain (the reasonable nature of) the teaching (compares being sent to prison for crime(s) and not being able to leave until you pay something for it, so make reparation for misdeeds now while you can) ● And finally the spiritual summary of the parable (make reparation for your sins because you won't leave prison (purgatory) until you have made reparation down to "the last penny"—however figurative or literal the punishment is) (Notice that the idea of 'prison' or holding place is used, just like in the other passage about Christ going to the netherworld to "preach to the spirits in prison" [1 Peter
-21]—significant usage, see also the overtones therefore in Hebrews 13:3) To prove that this is a spiritual lesson and not the spiritually blind/Scripturally ignorant interpretation that it is talking about going to earthly prison amidst a sermon on the Kingdom of God, look at this other passage which corroborates this clear teaching without ambiguity: (the immediately prior context is forgiving one's brother, again—the unmerciful servant) Matthew
-35 "*'Should you not have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?'* In his anger, his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed. That is how My Heavenly Father will treat each of you, unless you forgive your brother from your heart." ● Preliminary introduction to what the teaching concerns (forgive one another as God forgives you). ● Parable to help explain (the reasonable nature of) the teaching (compares an angry master having a servant turned over for failing to forgive as he was forgiven with God demanding that ones sins also be purged, i.e. not forgiving your brother). ● And finally the spiritual summary of the parable (God demands punishment _until you pay back what is due to Him)._ This is too clear to need explanation, He even explicitly says: "THAT IS HOW MY HEAVENLY FATHER WILL TREAT EACH OF YOU...." in direct reference to His words: "In his anger, his master turned him over to the jailers to be TORTURED, UNTIL he should repay all that he owed." I submit to you, it cannot be clearer or more explicit. it's far more explicit than the existence of Abraham's Bosom/Limbo of the Fathers. God bless.
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Buck Haberthy 1 year ago
Minister straker king James? Where was that before the Bible? Lots of errors in kj
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Buck Haberthy 1 year ago
Minister straker hmmm the scientific method of historical is based on two principles: early attestation (aka Church Fathers); multiple attestation (many witnesses). I'll believe them over waiting for the Bible to finally get printed hundreds of years later.
Where is the word Bible in the Bible?.
Buck Haberthy 1 year ago
King James Bible in 1604-1611! Yikes and built on various ENGLISH translations based on the heretical Church of England. Based on Tyndale which was inspired by heretical Luthers German Bible. Which was condemned in England; in particular St Thomas More. Why? Because many terms were mistranslated in favor of anti-clerical views. King James Version departed by the Vulgate, which was based on more ancient manuscripts. It's plagued by incorrect doctrine
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Kono Koo 1 year ago (edited)
Minister straker....don't you find it odd that God the Holy Spirit did not reveal the doctrines of faith alone and Scripture alone for 1500 years? These beliefs were never taught before Luther, Calvin and Zwingly became "enlightened". When it became apparent to Fr. Luther that the divisions between the first "reformers" was problematic in that how could one explain the HS leading these men to different interpretations, he called a meeting. The meeting didn't go well and they parted on very bad terms. NO....Protestantism is confusion. Confusion is not from God. Plus, the Book which Protestantism relies on is the product of the Roman Catholic Church. How is it that heretics 1500 years later presume the CC cannot interpret their own Book...but they can? Makes zero sense. Personally the real kicker for me was when I would hear Evangelical apologists claim that OSAS vs loose your salvation just wasn't that important. What? Huh? If loosing your salvation is true (which it is, as Scripture is very, very clear on)...I think it very important to know. Don't you?
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GSRider 4 months ago
An incredible explanation Ave Christus Rex although I fear that it falls upon deaf ears with straker. His water glass is a little shallow for that ocean. Also good points Kono Koo. Spot on!! God Bless!
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Tom Berryhill 2 months ago
King James Version? No thanks. I'll keep my King Jesus Bible.
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