Author Topic: Have you thought about perspective? (Read 333 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 10, 2026, 11:20:44 AM »

Here is the strangest thing. I never thought about perspective, or the limits of human eyesight, until I started studying the "shape of the earth" debate.

I learned SO MANY THINGS during my investigation into the flat/globe earth debate. And I learned those things from "flat earthers". Imagine that!

I never stopped and thought about how those clouds way in the distance seemed suspiciously close to the "ground" or horizon. Intellectually I knew they were clouds, and high up in the sky -- but I just never stopped and thought about it.
How far away did I believe humans could see, given ideal conditions and an unobstructed view? I don't want to know! I HOPE I didn't believe you could see the Eiffel tower from the East Coast USA if the earth curve didn't interfere.

Hey, some people claim they never realized abortion was killing a baby. THAT is crazy. I think some less emotional truths like this are much more common for people to just never stop and think about.

But here is my point: It is a FACT that when I think back to "When did I first think about this?" the answer comes back: within the last couple years, when I was neck-deep in considering Flat Earth.

Interesting. Interesting that this "crazy theory" taught me SO MANY THINGS about perspective and our physical world in general!

Another example -- when did I learn how far down humans have dug into the earth? Again, during my flat earth investigation. Answer: 8 miles deep. Kola superdeep in Russia. Why did I have to hang out among "Flat Earthers" to learn SO MANY basic truths and facts about our physical world? Why do they seem to be more plugged in to reality and truth than the "globe believers"?

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2026, 11:28:59 AM »

Another bit of idiocy that Flat Earth removed from me --

The idea that "sailing East and eventually ending up where you started" proved the earth was a globe.

As if sailors follow a perfectly flat ruler for thousands of miles, never deviating an inch to the north or south, and find themselves back where they started. That WOULD prove they are sailing on a globe. But that's not what they do! The compass always points East because North is in the center of the flat earth. They are "turning" ever so slightly, completely imperceptibly. Also, they stop at countless ports along the way. That's how sailing works.

Long story short, I had a simplistic, childish, cartoonish idea of what "circuмnavigation" looked like. I NEVER stopped to think about it, or consider it critically. UNTIL I started researching the claims of Flat Earth.

Spoiler alert -- they convinced me.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2026, 11:38:15 AM »

Another myth that studying Flat Earth shattered --

"Flat earthers are crazy and/or stupid"

I would bet money that if you took 20 flat earthers at random, 20 globe earthers at random, and had a contest, that the flat earthers would WIN (i.e., get a higher score) on a quiz about conventional Modern Science teachings about cosmology: the diameter of the earth, the different kinds of earth motion, distances between celestial objects, gravity, density, how far humans have dug into the earth, etc.

If flat earthers know more about the conventional, official globe paradigm than globers -- and they certainly do -- how are they crazy or stupid?

It's obvious to me at least, that they rejected the "globe paradigm" BECAUSE they actually looked into it, and discovered it was ridiculous.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2026, 12:41:55 PM »

Yes, and another thing...if you step back and look at the debate -- FE vs globe -- it's another false dichotomy, similar to politics. The debate is really "non-NASA view" vs NASA/Big Science/Big Govt.

But the powers that be don't want that to be debated, so they (might) have invented some of the "crazy Flat Earth guys" to muddy the waters, to gatekeep, and make the "non-NASA-view" look crazy.

As i've said before, the whole "flat earth" label is wrong anyways. The earth IS A GLOBE, a snow-globe, with flat land. The true label should be "flat land-ers". I do think the "flat earth" label was invented to divide, conquer and "conspiratorialize" the anti-NASA, anti-Big Science movement.

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2026, 01:34:31 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on February 10, 2026, 11:38:15 AM

Another myth that studying Flat Earth shattered --

"Flat earthers are crazy and/or stupid"

I would bet money that if you took 20 flat earthers at random, 20 globe earthers at random, and had a contest, that the flat earthers would WIN (i.e., get a higher score) on a quiz about conventional Modern Science teachings about cosmology: the diameter of the earth, the different kinds of earth motion, distances between celestial objects, gravity, density, how far humans have dug into the earth, etc.

If flat earthers know more about the conventional, official globe paradigm than globers -- and they certainly do -- how are they crazy or stupid?

It's obvious to me at least, that they rejected the "globe paradigm" BECAUSE they actually looked into it, and discovered it was ridiculous.

Regardless of whether flat earth is true or not, it seems obvious to me this would be the case

those who care enough to question the official narrative are generally gonna be smarter and more knowledgeable than those who just accept what they were taught, whether right or wrong

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2026, 02:22:05 PM »

Quote from: ByzCat3000 on February 10, 2026, 01:34:31 PM

Regardless of whether flat earth is true or not, it seems obvious to me this would be the case

those who care enough to question the official narrative are generally gonna be smarter and more knowledgeable than those who just accept what they were taught, whether right or wrong

That is my point.
I could write up a list of "200 facts" that are true and valid "regardless of the shape of the earth".

For example, the idea that "ships disappearing proves the curve". NO IT DOESN'T. That's not why ships disappear from the ground up. Again, I only learned this from those crazy "flat earthers" -- but it's 100%, absolutely true.

In fact, I'd bet a lot of money on it, that it's not the "curve" that causes ships to disappear. It's a FACT that it's caused by perspective, atmospheric humidity, pollution, etc. Even if you "disagree" with the flat earth position, YOU CAN'T DENY THAT FACT.

I have many other such facts. I should write up a list. We're talking 100% obvious, provable scientific facts that few globers even know.

There are SO MANY commonly held misbeliefs, urban legends, and things people just "never thought about" which all allow people to continue to believe in the globe. It's amazing really.

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