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Offline JoeZ

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Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2024, 05:07:18 PM »
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  • That's been dealt with very simply.  You just don't want to see it.  There's a certain window of a few minutes where the very West of Australia, the East of South America, and of course South Africa are all in darkness, and where they could see the Southern Cross at the same time.  This isn't even particularly difficult.
    I'm sorry for not properly articulating the difficulty FE has with the Southern Cross. In order for it to be viewed it surely must be night time in all three places and I agree it is but the distance involved cannot be overcome. How can the Southern Cross be seen south of three points on the outside rim of the FE when looking south from any of them is looking 120° away from the other two? And on top of it they would be some 20,000 miles apart which means the sun is closer but it can't be seen but the same stars are seen? 
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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #46 on: January 15, 2024, 05:09:27 PM »
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  •  You just don't want to see it.  
    With all due respect, how could you know this and what competency do you have to judge?
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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #47 on: January 15, 2024, 05:10:57 PM »
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  • I'm sorry for not properly articulating the difficulty FE has with the Southern Cross. In order for it to be viewed it surely must be night time in all three places and I agree it is but the distance involved cannot be overcome. How can the Southern Cross be seen south of three points on the outside rim of the FE when looking south from any of them is looking 120° away from the other two? And on top of it they would be some 20,000 miles apart which means the sun is closer but it can't be seen but the same stars are seen?

    How can the distances not be overcome?  We're talking about a difference of a few thousand miles between the point.  Modern science claims that they're millions of miles away.  Even at a distance of some thousands of miles away a few thousand miles (I haven't done the calculations) shouldn't make a difference.  What should be compared is the location / angle of the Southern cross from different vantage points, i.e if it's due South from South Africa, then where in the sky does it appear from a certain point in South America, and then from Australia and are the consistent ... on those few occasions that it may be viewable from all three locations at the same time?  It doesn't matter that the continents are looking 120 degrees away form one another.  What matters is the orientation of the viewer and where in the sky the Southern Cross appears.  I can stand in the middle of my yard and rotate 360 degrees.

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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #48 on: January 15, 2024, 10:26:19 PM »
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  • The Crux circles the in the night sky 30° from due south, at all times and everywhere that it can be seen.

    Using the Gleason map, draw a line from the North Pole, through the observer at the bottom of those three continents, and continue the line to the map edge. The observer needs to have his back to the North Pole and look down the line to the map edge to be looking south. The Crux is in the night sky inside 30° of his line of sight so, south of the observer draw a 60° circle (hint: that's 1/6 of the total circuмference of the earth each).   Now draw that same circle for the other two continents and those circles are not all coincident. Not even close. They don't even touch. There is no time of night where it could be the same stars.

    The distance is a separate issue. If they are the same stars somehow, and they are currently over South America (because they rotate in the firmament) how could Australia see them as those two observers are almost 35,000 miles apart on the Gleason map. The sun itself can only be 12,000 miles from Australia at the farthest but at that distance it is hidden (night). How does a star appear 30,000 miles away when the sun can't appear 12,000 miles?

    Also, how is it that the Crux circles in the sky at all? It should follow the firmament and rotate once per day the entire circuмference of the earth and appear to rise and set like the sun and moon.

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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #49 on: January 16, 2024, 10:17:25 AM »
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  • Several of those exist and are recorded at minimal height.  What would that suggest or does that suggest anything?  Could you call that a demonstrable proof?
    They certainly get credit for their effort. I don't have any positive doubt as to the honestly of their intentions, but they only prove that a laser can be seen in those circuмstances. It's hard enough work to accomplish what they did, but they should thoroughly try to discredit their own experiment as FE proof to see if it holds up as certain FE proof. Rule out any other possible variable. If I tried, I could probably think of a good 20 more experiments to use to test how trustworthy the long distance laser experiment is. Then, it would be a question of whether it is cheaper and easier just to send a long distance sounding rocket with cameras and transmitter into a polar orbit. It seems obvious that a laser can be trusted, but both light and laser beams are not as straight and simple as most believe, kind of like the pope situation.
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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #50 on: January 16, 2024, 12:13:29 PM »
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  • We know NASA that with it's fake spinning composite imagery for sure doesn't cut it but two way lasers over water don't either... 

    What's the experiment everyone would agree on as a proof?

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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #51 on: January 16, 2024, 04:39:54 PM »
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  • When the subject of Flat Earth recently came up in a conversation, a liberal professor of biology at a local college said to one of my friends that Flat Earth was "total nonsense" and supplied a video to him full of questions about it, saying "the day the Flat Earthers can answer these questions is the day I will agree with them." Here's the video:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsy5u8LkP-Q

    What are the answers to the questions? Thanks.

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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #52 on: January 16, 2024, 04:51:59 PM »
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  • I heard a string of statements but no questions. 


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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #53 on: January 16, 2024, 07:14:15 PM »
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  • We know NASA that with it's fake spinning composite imagery for sure doesn't cut it but two way lasers over water don't either... 

    What's the experiment everyone would agree on as a proof?
    Maybe a live feed from a polar orbiting sounding rocket. But NASA and Musk fake rocket videos all the time...

    ...so I'll just throw that back at anyone who doesn't want to believe videos by saying that, maybe I don't believe your FE proof videos are real.
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    Re: Guy Accidentally Proves Flat Earth?
    « Reply #54 on: January 17, 2024, 01:40:31 AM »
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  • When the subject of Flat Earth recently came up in a conversation, a liberal professor of biology at a local college said to one of my friends that Flat Earth was "total nonsense" and supplied a video to him full of questions about it, saying "the day the Flat Earthers can answer these questions is the day I will agree with them." Here's the video:
     

    What are the answers to the questions? Thanks.
    There's only one objection in the video and it's that supposedly 70,000 people worldwide would have to be lying about the shape of the Earth. That's not a particularly strong objection nor is it well-supported.

    Not everyone in a space agency need be in on it, actually only a few people at the top are much more manageable.

    It's really not an issue at all to keep people believing what 99% of people believe.

    But let's even assume there are 100,000 people in on it, there's plenty of ʝʊdɛօmasons sworn to secrecy and Epstein blackmailed useful idiots to go around and we know the famous actornauts are freemasons. Not to mention the whole "scientific community" is in on a conspiracy to suppress the truth about creation, vaccines, etc.

    Globers have much bigger problems, for example, where's the firmament separating the waters mentioned in the Bible over a hundred times?

    How can we see hundreds of miles?

    Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFz4ZZd1zj4

    If you want to know the truth there's plenty of material on this channel alone.

    Cheers.