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Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
« Reply #90 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:42 PM »
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  • Do note that Tradition =/= the ordinary magisterium. 
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #91 on: October 23, 2017, 09:11:28 AM »
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  • I am responding to what you said, right "out of the gate", and you made no mention of the ordinary magisterium.

    Fair enough.

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    If you are now incorporating it into your rule of faith, good.

    I didn't really mean to give an exhaustive explanation of the rule of faith.

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    So the ordinary magisterium is "just as good" as the extraordinary magisterium. Good.

    Catholics are not free to dismiss something clearly taught by the Ordinary Magisterium to the Universal Church in favor of their own opinion. That is all I am saying.

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    Your assertion is that flat earth belongs to the ordinary magisterium, then?

    Indirectly, through a literal interpretation of Scripture.
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #92 on: October 23, 2017, 09:18:05 AM »
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  • Do note that Tradition =/= the ordinary magisterium.

    If I ever equated the two it was unintentional. I don't think I did. I merely noted that the Ordinary Magisterium has taught that we must hold the Traditions and interpret the Scriptures literally (unless reason or necessity suggests otherwise).
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #93 on: October 23, 2017, 09:20:58 AM »
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  • Indirectly, through a literal interpretation of Scripture.

    ...and Tradition.
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #94 on: October 25, 2017, 08:17:31 AM »
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  • The Freemasonic NASA cartoon ball lacks pillars, foundations, a solid firmament with waters above it, flood gates, corners etc. It also has a solid core in the middle which we know is not biblical. Hmm, I wonder why they would remove Purgatory and Hell and put a solid core in the middle? Just a coincidence, right people? Dan 4:8 and Mat 4:8 are not even possible on a ball. The ball is dead. :incense: Say night, night to the ball earth.
     
    Gen 1:6-8  God also said: Be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide between waters and waters. And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament. And it was so done. And God called the firmament, Heaven: and there was evening & morning that made the second day.

    Gen 7:11  In the six hundred year of the life of Noe, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great depth were broken up, and the flood-gates of Heaven were opened:

    Gen 8:2  And the fountains of the depth, and the flood-gates of Heaven, were shut up: and the rain from Heaven was stayed.

    1 Kgs 2:8  He raiseth the needy man from the dust, and from the dung he lifteth up the poor: that he may sit with Princes, and hold the throne of glory. For the poles of the earth are our Lords, and upon them he hath set the world.
     
    2 Kgs 22:16  And the overflowings of the sea appeared, and the foundations of the world were discovered at the rebuking of our Lord, at the breathing of the spirit of his fury.

    Ps 74:4  The earth is melted, and all that dwell in it: I have confirmed the pillars thereof.

    Ps 103:2-3  Thou hast put on confession and beauty: being clothed with light as with a garment: Stretching out the Heaven as a skin: which coverest the higher parts thereof with waters.

    Prov 8:28-29  When he established the firmament above, and poised the fountains of waters: when he compassed the sea with her limits, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their bounds: when he hanged the foundations of the earth

    Dan 4:8 A great tree, and strong: and the height thereof touching the Heaven: the sight thereof was even to the ends of all the earth.

    Is 40:22  He that sitteth upon the compass of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in.

    Is 43:6  I will say to the North: give: and to the South, Hinder not: bring my sons from a far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth.

    Is 66:1  Thus saith our Lord: Heaven is my seat, and the earth my foot stool: what is this house that you will build to me? and what is this place of my rest?

    Ezk 1:26  And  above the firmament, that hung over their head, as it were the form of the sapphire stone the similitude of a throne, and upon the similitude of the throne, a similitude as it were the shape of a man above.

    Job 9:6  He that removeth the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof are shaken.

    Job 37:18  Thou perhaps madst the heavens with him, which are most sound, cast as it were of brass.

    Job 38:4-6  Where wast thou when I laid  the foundations of the earth? tell me if thou hast understanding. Who set the measures thereof, if thou know? or who stretched out the line upon it? upon what are the foundations thereof grounded? or who let down the corner stone thereof,

    Job 38:13  And didst thou hold the extremities of the earth shaking them, and hast thou shaken the impious out of it?

    Mat 4:8 Again the Devil took him up into a very high mountain: and he shewed him all the Kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them,


    Apoc 7:1  After these things I saw four Angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that they should not blow upon the land, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree.

    Apoc 20:7  And when the thousand years shall be consummate, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go forth, and seduce the nations that are upon the four corners of the earth, Gog, and Magog, and shall gather them into battle, the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
     
     
     

    Ps 148:1-5  Allelulia. Praise ye our Lord from the heavens: praise ye him in the high places. Praise ye him all his Angels: praise ye him his hosts: Praise ye him sun and Moon: praise him all ye stars, and light. Praise him ye heavens of heavens: and the waters that are above the heavens, let them praise the name of our Lord. Because he said, and they were made: he commanded, and they were created.

    Mark 1:10  And forthwith coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit as a dove descending, and remaining on him.

    Acts 7:56  And he said, Behold I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #95 on: October 25, 2017, 10:00:53 AM »
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #96 on: October 25, 2017, 12:42:33 PM »
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  • 1) So what you are saying is that everything in space is a sphere except us?
    2) How does this model allow phases of the moon.  Moon phases in this model would complete a cycle every 24 hours if that was the case.
    3) How does this model allow for seasons
    4) How do we not have maps from the Vatican/Catholic cartographers from 500 years ago to present that have this giant encompassing ice wall.
    5) How do we not have photos of an all encompassing giant wall of ice.
    6) How do you explain the Antarctic tourism?
    Antarctic-Logistics
    Antarctic Cruise
    Flights
    7) How do flights from Argentina to Australia only take 12.5 hours, but flights from San Paulo to Johannesburg take 8.5....Or why does it take 22 hours to fly from London to Perth. The flight times are not proportionate to your model.
    8. How can you selectively disregard the some of the laws of physics or overall science just to make your model fit.




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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #97 on: December 06, 2017, 02:50:02 PM »
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  • 1) So what you are saying is that everything in space is a sphere except us?

    I never said everything in space was a sphere. Even if it was, it would not prove anything for you.

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    2) How does this model allow phases of the moon.  Moon phases in this model would complete a cycle every 24 hours if that was the case.




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    3) How does this model allow for seasons




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    4) How do we not have maps from the Vatican/Catholic cartographers from 500 years ago to present that have this giant encompassing ice wall.

    5) How do we not have photos of an all encompassing giant wall of ice.




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    6) How do you explain the Antarctic tourism?
    Antarctic-Logistics
    Antarctic Cruise
    Flights




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    7) How do flights from Argentina to Australia only take 12.5 hours, but flights from San Paulo to Johannesburg take 8.5....Or why does it take 22 hours to fly from London to Perth. The flight times are not proportionate to your model.







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    8. How can you selectively disregard the some of the laws of physics or overall science just to make your model fit.

    That's pretty hilarious. You believe tons of water can stick to a sphere and you tell me I disregard the laws of physics? :laugh2:


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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #98 on: December 06, 2017, 03:30:14 PM »
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  • That's pretty hilarious. You believe tons of water can stick to a sphere and you tell me I disregard the laws of physics? :laugh2:



    Yeah, I have a bit of a problem with that one myself.  Now, they tell us it's due to gravity.  But I'd love to see a demonstration in a vaccum where you take an object like a round stone and pour some water on it to see if it'll stick there, making the mass of the stone and the quantity of water the scale equivalent of what you found on earth.  Now make that ball spin around on its axis.  Now make that ball spin around some other object (the equivalent of the sun) ... and I'd LOVE to see the water stay put on the surface of the rock ... much less sit still like many bodies of water do on earth.  At the very least this all points to a motionless earth.  Now what force could cause water to stick on the surface of a motionless sphere?  Not sure but I have a hard time believing that gravity would do that.  I also suspect that the vacuum of space would suck the atmosphere right off the planet because it would be a much stronger force than gravity would be.

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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #99 on: December 06, 2017, 03:36:52 PM »
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  • I just watched the emergency landings one.  Fascinating ... as Spock would say.  I'll watch more later.

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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #100 on: December 06, 2017, 03:51:20 PM »
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  • I just watched the emergency landings one.  Fascinating ... as Spock would say.  I'll watch more later.
    Fascinating as in unexpected Mr. Spock?




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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #101 on: December 06, 2017, 08:57:40 PM »
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  • Now what force could cause water to stick on the surface of a motionless sphere?  Not sure but I have a hard time believing that gravity would do that. 

    Gravity is nothing but a lie. It's all about density and weight. Millions of tons of water cannot be sucked into the earth, while a small piece of fuzz can float effortlessly over the earth without issue.

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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #102 on: December 06, 2017, 09:03:17 PM »
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  • I just watched the emergency landings one.  Fascinating ... as Spock would say.

    Yeah, we're being lied to.
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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #103 on: December 06, 2017, 10:05:53 PM »
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  • Gravity is nothing but a lie. It's all about density and weight. Millions of tons of water cannot be sucked into the earth, while a small piece of fuzz can float effortlessly over the earth without issue.


    Required reading before making stupid comments about the rate at which things fall.

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    Re: God's Flat Earth in Scripture
    « Reply #104 on: December 07, 2017, 06:09:42 AM »
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  • Gravity is nothing but a lie. It's all about density and weight. Millions of tons of water cannot be sucked into the earth,


    Why do objects in vaccuum enclosures still fall?
    Define "weight".

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    while a small piece of fuzz can float effortlessly over the earth without issue.

    Why does this piece of fuzz fall in a vaccuum?

     

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