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Offline RoughAshlar

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Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2018, 08:48:47 PM »
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  • Actually, I've seen scientists say that it is exactly 66,600 mph.  Not arguing, just saying.    
    Even so, 66,600 is not the same as 666.  Obsessing over it and variations of it sounds like being superstitious.  Its a number that occurs naturally.  Did Matthew delete the 666th post because it was evil?  Are you worried about the 666th number in the phone book?  To say people worship the globe is an exaggeration, its beyond ridiculous to say people who disagree with you worship 666.


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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #76 on: January 20, 2018, 08:52:10 PM »
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  • Even so, 66,600 is not the same as 666.  Obsessing over it and variations of it sounds like being superstitious. Its a number that occurs naturally. Did Mathew delete the 666th post because it was evil?  Are you worried about the 666th number in the phone book?  To say people worship the globe is an exaggeration, its beyond ridiculous to say people who disagree with you worship 666.
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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #77 on: January 20, 2018, 08:53:24 PM »
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  • Apologies for making that unchartable comment. I feel bad about it.
    Anyhow carry on. :popcorn:

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #78 on: January 20, 2018, 08:59:51 PM »
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  • This isn't religious language, but verifiable quotes from scripture, the Fathers, saints and notable Catholics.  
    :( Sigh. If I want to go back to a chapel of narcissist misfits who think the earth is flat and speak self contradictory philosophical non sequitars... I must be bloody crazy mateys!
    Im gonna go chew on my hand once i finish my frosted wheats downed with bewleys excellent EXCELLENT tea bags.
    I have to get my frustration out somehow. Or maybe Ill smoke or something.
    Some how the absurdity made my day. I always felt sorry for parishioners but... Sigh.
    Dare I put the blindfold back on. Dare you Jamey boy. Dare you?
    The paradoxes of my existence. Shudder. Note to self, watch out radioactive man.


    .and THATs why ive no faith in society.

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #79 on: January 20, 2018, 09:05:53 PM »
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  • Apologies for making that unchartable comment. I feel bad about it.
    Anyhow carry on. :popcorn:
    Hang in there. We're praying for y'all. And I mean that.


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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #80 on: January 21, 2018, 08:47:32 AM »
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  • bzzzt.  584 million per year is obviously rounded.  Precise number in MPH is 67,000.

    You guys are a complete joke if you read significance into numbers like this.

    At some point, I had some sympathy for your viewpoint, but you're quickly eroding my good will.
    No it isn't. You're abusing my good will by accusing me of lying.
    Use your own calculator.
    The 584M comes from the equation for circuмference, C=2PiR.
    R is 93M, and that is de fide under helio model. 
    This is not rocket science,  it's simple math and the math is precisely correct:
    Earth moves at rate of 66, 666 mph 
    OR
    Earth does NOT move
    Which is it? 

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #81 on: January 21, 2018, 09:02:51 AM »
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  • "They won't ever concede anything or admit that they can be wrong." -- very few people resemble this remark more than you, Meg.

    When have the globe-earthers ever conceded anything or admitted that they are wrong? Please give a specific example, because I don't recall ever seeing it. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #82 on: January 21, 2018, 09:05:50 AM »
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  • No it isn't. You're abusing my good will by accusing me of lying.
    Use your own calculator.
    The 584M comes from the equation for circuмference, C=2PiR.
    R is 93M, and that is de fide under helio model.
    This is not rocket science,  it's simple math and the math is precisely correct:
    Earth moves at rate of 66, 666 mph
    OR
    Earth does NOT move
    Which is it?
    Look at how foolish you all are.  You take these numbers that you have calculated to prove we are wrong, numbers that according to you don't even exist.    That alone is a joke!   Why not try proving we are 666 by using "something" that at the very least you believe in.  Definition of Truth is "What IS."
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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #83 on: January 21, 2018, 09:32:45 AM »
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  • It's ARNOBIUS and he is considered a Church Father. One of the guys you think makes this matter infallible.
    There does seem to be a serious misunderstanding among them about the authority of Church Fathers.  During the time of the Church Fathers dogma had not been defined so many, probably most, of them held a few ideas that were later declared to be wrong. (It was not heresy because there was no pertinacity in holding wrong beliefs after correction.) We could find mistaken doctrinal beliefs among the Fathers who supported flat earth too.

    The only time they can be considered infallible is when the Fathers unanimously hold a belief as part of the Faith.  They would all have needed to have said something like "Christians must believe the earth is flat" for this to be binding on Catholics.  They did not, however, all believe the earth is flat.  Some Fathers believed it was a globe.  Among those who believed it was flat, few, if any, saw this as part of Christian faith.  Therefore, what the Fathers have to say about the shape of the earth is their personal opinions and not part of the deposit of faith.

    Pope Leo XIII explained this principle quite clearly in Prudentissimus Deus and I have quoted the passage more than once.  Nevertheless, the flat-earthers continue their insistence that their position is Catholic because it was held by the Church Fathers.  They are simply wrong about this.

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #84 on: January 21, 2018, 09:46:43 AM »
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  • I don't respect people who approach things with emotion.  When you use language like the bolded above, it's obvious that you are not being objective.
    As I understand this person's statements in his/her initial post to the forum, he or she struggles with mental illness.  I have a relative in that situation and, in my experience, it is necessary to adjust one's expectations somewhat.

    Even so, this person has made some intelligent and insightful comments about the flat-earthers.  I share your preference for a non-emotional style, but I saw worthwhile elements in the content.

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #85 on: January 21, 2018, 09:50:19 AM »
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  • As I understand this person's statements in his/her initial post to the forum, he or she struggles with mental illness.  I have a relative in that situation and, in my experience, it is necessary to adjust one's expectations somewhat.

    Even so, this person has made some intelligent and insightful comments about the flat-earthers.  I share your preference for a non-emotional style, but I saw worthwhile elements in the content.
    No doubt you agree the name calling was the worthwhile element.


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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #86 on: January 21, 2018, 11:02:44 AM »
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  • There is only one Church Father that condemns the Globe Earth (Lacantius, Divine Institutes, Bk. III, Ch. 24). He does not however, condemn it from a Scriptural basis.
    Of the writings on the subject that I have been able to find, there are as many, if not more, who held the personal belief in the globe/spherical/round Earth than the flat Earth. There are also two or three Fathers who condemn the idea that we should be interpreting Scripture so as to show that it holds definitive proof of the shape of things.
    The Dogmatic Flatearthists are hypocrites. They claim the Fathers to be on their side but when Catholics cite the Fathers to prove them wrong, the FEers resort to undermining the credibility of the Fathers. It's quite remarkable.
    Up until around the 5th century Christian thinkers are characterized as belonging to either the Alexandrian or Antiochian school of thought, named after the cities in which they were based.  They had different perspectives on Scripture and theology. The Church Fathers were associated with these schools. 

    There is a pattern in views of the shape of the earth that tends to correspond to these schools.  Antioch corresponds to belief in flat earth, Alexandria to belief in globe earth.  (Lacantius is an exception in that he is against globe earth while being associated with the Alexandrian school.)  So it is not surprising that you have been able to find many Fathers who believed in a globe earth. 

    It is quite clear that the Fathers were writing about their personal opinions when discussing the shape of the earth, other than the ones who were teaching that it should not be made a matter of faith.  St. Basil is my favorite of these.  I feel like he could be addressing this forum when he writes:  


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    Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle;  all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circuмference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls?It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written.”

    Scripture is "silent as to shapes".  The shape of the earth is "unimportant to us."  Scripture is for "the edification and making perfect of our souls." He could be writing of the flat-earthers on this forum when he speaks of those who "giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture."

    If these people really wanted to learn from the Church Fathers, this is what they would pay attention to, rather than searching for proof-verses to support a flat earth.  They misuse the Fathers in the same way they misuse Scripture.

    This teaching of Basil (unlike flat earth) has been repeated throughout the history of the Church by our Doctors and popes.  This is what deserves to be called Church teaching.

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #87 on: January 21, 2018, 11:56:03 AM »
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  • Exactly, and this is what I've been getting at since I started discussing this with these people. I wouldn't even have said a negative word about the flat Earth if they hadn't made it into their own "religion" with it's own "dogmas".
    I too would have little problem if they confined themselves to discussing science.  I originally ignored this subforum because I assumed that is what they were doing.  It was when I noticed they spoke of it as a religious duty of Catholics that I became concerned.
    It really speaks to the timeless nature of Christian truth that way back in the 4th century St. Basil was able to describe modern flat-earthers "who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis."

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #88 on: January 21, 2018, 12:21:48 PM »
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  • Jaynek pontificates Scripture silent as to shape while simultaneously pontificating church teaches earth is a globe. 
    Which is it?
    It can't be both.
    She is mired in a contradiction.
    She cannot produce a single scripture verse that says earth is a globe,   yet she allows for theologian opinions of same.
    FE'ers can show Scripture for earth not a globe, and theologians opinions of same, yet she does not allow this.
    Jaynek has made herself god and pope snd follows her personal conclusions.

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    Re: Globe Earthers Worship 666
    « Reply #89 on: January 21, 2018, 12:22:44 PM »
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  • Thus spaketh Pope Jaynek.
    Ex cathedra.

    When a Catholic has a degree in theology from a Novus Ordo university as Jayne does, they sometimes feel qualified to lord it over others, and tell them exactly what they are supposed to believe or not believe.

    It's similar to how the sedewhatevers think.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29