Rahner is no doubt burning in hell right now, and you say exposing his lies and deceptions is an "ad hominem"?

Truly, we have slipped into the Twilight Zone.

You really need some training in logic.  Rahner's personal character is completely ad hominem to this particular argument.  What's at issue is whether Rahner distorted the words of Leo XIII or not.

Besides that, how do you know he's in hell?  Rahner could have repented of his sins/heresies before he passed into eternity.  You have no proof that he didn't, and yet you bluster about how there's "no doubt" he's in hell.  Who died and made you God?

Yes, Modernists who have wreaked havoc on the Church can repent, though I can't recall that any of them have. If you can provide evidence that Rahner repented, then I would take it into consideration. 

It's true that Rahner may not have been influenced by his Modernist views, but it doesn't make sense to ASSUME that he would not be influenced by his Modernist views when translating Denzinger. After all, Modernism doesn't seek to change Church teaching outright, but rather they subvert Church teaching by undermining the weight and importance of it. Like what Pope Francis does. 

Rahner considered himself to be a Transcendental Thomist. He was an example of someone who believed themselves to be superior in intellect, and therefore qualified to teach others. But the Devil knows how to twist the thinking of intellectuals - we can see that from the docuмents of Vatican ll. 

P.S. Rahner is in hell. Not afraid to say it.

Smedley's post makes sense to me.

Perhaps you could translate it then.  I really cannot tell what it says.

Perhaps you could translate it then.  I really cannot tell what it says.

You're a LIAR.
You smell like sulfur.

While it may be true that Rahner didn't change the language enough to warrant error or heresy in the Enchridion, the problem of who he was ought to give Catholics pause regarding the overall trajectory of Rahner's goals when he translates Catholic teaching.  Gradual apostasy wrought by enemies of truth, of which, Karl Rahner was one, is an insidious business. We can be sure the ill effects of even the smallest changes will ultimately be exposed, probably too late for most.  Still, when the general population tolerates or even praises such a man, and Catholics merely shrug, the rest of us can know how deeply that apostasy has embedded itself.


Thomas Sheehan New York Review of Books Feb 4, 1982 Edition

"Karl Rahner, who will be seventy-eight years old in March, is, I think, the most brilliant Catholic theologian since Thomas Aquinas. During the last forty years this German Jesuit priest has almost singlehandedly revolutionized the way the Church understands its message, and he has contributed the lion’s share to reshaping Catholic philosophy outside the narrow limits of official Neo-Thomism." 


In any event, Leo XIII's quote promoted in recent threads as proof that Scripture's author never intended to impart truth about earthly cosmology, is outrageous.  

If Smedley is saying that an 1893 encyclical does not appear in the 1854 first edition of Denziger, I am quite prepared to believe it.  It is highly unusual for encyclicals to be published 40 years before they are written.

The encyclical presumably appeared in those editions which were compiled after it was written.  I am not sure I follow what makes this so nefarious.  He appears to have proven the Denziger's publishers are not capable of time travel.  Personally, I find that a perfectly acceptable quality in publishers, or anyone really.

1854 might be a reference to the Denzinger numbering in Rahner's edition, but I don't have a copy of that here to confirm.

Dopey Myrna.

Our Lady said "this globe represents the whole world".

Not the earth.

World means universe,  look it up.


She knew EXACTLY what she was saying.

You, of course, know what they say about those who use ad hominems, YOU LOST THE DEBATE!  
Smedly should tell that to the popes who speak of earth being a globe, and also show us some Catholic art, depicting earth as a frisbee.
Our Lady of the Globe pray for us


some of those on google are not suitable nor Catholic but a Catholic will recognize those that are.