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Do you believe the Earth is flat or spherical?

Flat
14 (30.4%)
Sphere
19 (41.3%)
other
4 (8.7%)
don't know
7 (15.2%)
don't care
2 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 45

Voting closed: July 22, 2024, 05:29:21 PM

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2024, 10:00:24 AM »
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  • COORDINATE SYSTEMS USED IN GEODESY
    BASIC DEFINITIONS AND CONCEPTS
    By Tomás Soler  and Larry D. Hothem,  Member, ASCE

    ... In other words, here we have the modern experts in this field telling us that no accurate shape for the Earth has ever really been achieved. If this is so and all past measurements cannot be regarded as absolutely accurate

    Offline cassini

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #31 on: July 16, 2024, 11:04:28 AM »
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  • I don't believe that any mere human can accurately determine the true shape of the earth. Math isn't infallible, though some believe that it is. Besides, he started out believing in a curve, and set out to prove it.

    ‘Misconceptions about the nature and practice of science abound, and are often held by otherwise respectable practicing scientists themselves. Unfortunately, there are many other misconceptions about science. One of the most common of these concerns the so-called “scientific proofs.” Contrary to popular belief however, there is no such thing as a scientific proof. Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science. Scientists prefer theories for which there is more and better evidence to those for which there is less. Proofs are not the currency of science.’-- S. Kanazawa The Scientific Fundamentalist, published on Nov. 16, 2008


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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #32 on: July 16, 2024, 11:37:56 AM »
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  • Ladislaus
    COORDINATE SYSTEMS USED IN GEODESY
    BASIC DEFINITIONS AND CONCEPTS
    By Tomás Soler  and Larry D. Hothem,  Member, ASCE

    ... In other words, here we have the modern experts in this field telling us that no accurate shape for the Earth has ever really been achieved. If this is so and all past measurements cannot be regarded as absolutely accurate
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    The science of surveying, that is, determining the layout of land, goes on all around us all the time.
    Geodesy is but surveying on a larger scale. Back in Cassini's days they traveled from Paris to St Spain
    In 1735, Newton's heliocentrists, financed by King Louis XV this time, one group went to Peru under Pierre Bouguer and Charles Marie La Condamine and a year later another group went to Lapland under Maupertuis.

    The reason Cassini wanted to measure the shape of the Earth was because Newton had said it was shaped with a bulging equator that made the Earth spin like a gyroscope. Cassini, a geocentrist wanted to prove Newton wrong as with geocentrism it is the universe that spins like a gyroscope.

                                                                           

    Needless to say the heliocentrists got their way and Cassini's Earth shape was dismissed. But bot sides measured the Earth as a globe. Geodesy uses measurements based on space coordinates. As these bodies never cease moving relative to each other and the Earth, absolute accuracy cannot be determined. That is what is meant in the quote.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #33 on: July 16, 2024, 12:08:15 PM »
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  • I don’t know.  I see it as one of God’s mysteries.  Maybe I’m not supposed to know. 
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    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #34 on: July 16, 2024, 01:22:34 PM »
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  • The funny thing is that you do the same thing when it comes to questions you can't answer.

    Please look at this post and tell me why it is wrong.  How can that be if there is no curve?  None of this is doctored and is straight from a video that was sent supporting flat earth. 



    The image is from the video Meg posted.
    (Ref https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/high-altitude-footage-proves-earth-is-flat-and-not-a-globe/45/)

    The image on the left is from 1/2 mile away. The image on the right is from 46 miles away.

    The building starts about 20ft above the level of Lake Michigan.  The building is 1451 ft.  The curvature at 46 miles away is about 1411 ft, but then refraction would let you see more of the building.  If it is flat you wouldn't be missing any of the building yet it seems that more than 500 ft is missing.  Just something to ponder.

    Here is a better picture of the tower.


    Why is this post constantly ignored?  
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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #35 on: July 16, 2024, 05:47:28 PM »
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  • For context, here is the entire video Meg posted.


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    Offline roscoe

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #36 on: July 18, 2024, 12:09:10 AM »
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  • Do the FE clowns really expect Catholics to believe them b4 Columbus( Revealer of the Globe) Isabell & Fr Perez Marchena)? :confused::laugh2::popcorn::pray::laugh1::facepalm::fryingpan::sleep::trollface::smirk::incense::cowboy:

    & BTW i motion that the MJ,Wine, & Beer drinking emoticons be restored to the Forum. :jester:

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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #37 on: July 18, 2024, 07:45:33 AM »
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  • Do the FE clowns really expect Catholics to believe them b4 Columbus( Revealer of the Globe) Isabell & Fr Perez Marchena)? :confused::laugh2::popcorn::pray::laugh1::facepalm::fryingpan::sleep::trollface::smirk::incense::cowboy:

    & BTW i motion that the MJ,Wine, & Beer drinking emoticons be restored to the Forum. :jester:

    Sure, roscoe, YOU calling people "clowns".


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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #38 on: July 18, 2024, 07:59:06 AM »
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  • Do the FE clowns really expect Catholics to believe them b4 Columbus( Revealer of the Globe) Isabell & Fr Perez Marchena)? :confused::laugh2::popcorn::pray::laugh1::facepalm::fryingpan::sleep::trollface::smirk::incense::cowboy:


    This discussion went very well as it should do, until you Roscoe start calling people clowns. Will you grow up.

     

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #39 on: July 18, 2024, 08:45:51 AM »
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  • This discussion went very well as it should do, until you Roscoe start calling people clowns. Will you grow up.

     

    Well, we've all gotten used to this from roscoe.  I was just pointing out that he's our resident CI clown himself, so shouldn't really be using the term "clown" of others.  :laugh1:

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #40 on: July 19, 2024, 02:38:35 PM »
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  • Poll closes in three days.  Just in case you would like to vote.

    Thank you to all the participants.

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #41 on: July 20, 2024, 01:13:48 PM »
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  • Poll closes in three days.  Just in case you would like to vote.

    Thank you to all the participants.

    I see by the poll the global Earthers began at 12 are now 17 whereas the FEs began at 13 and are still at 13. I wonder if the debate above convinced any, one way or the other.

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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #42 on: July 21, 2024, 12:18:02 PM »
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  • I see by the poll the global Earthers began at 12 are now 17 whereas the FEs began at 13 and are still at 13. I wonder if the debate above convinced any, one way or the other.
    I just hadn't voted yet... 😉
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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #43 on: July 21, 2024, 01:46:47 PM »
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  • [...] Math isn't infallible, though some believe that it is. [...]

    Depending on how one defines "math".

    It's infallible that 2+2=4 (ask any homeschooler), though some present-day subjectivists will argue that, if you want it to, 2+2=5 (ask any hostage of the public school system).

    Too, 21st century theoretical mathematics has metastasized into a house of cards thanks to an ever-smaller number of self-anointed esotericists :confused:
    (and an ever-larger number of self-appointed charlatans :clown:, the sort who insist that numbers are misogynist/heteronormative/racist :facepalm:).
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    Re: Globe Earth vs. Flat Earth
    « Reply #44 on: July 21, 2024, 02:10:17 PM »
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  • ‘Misconceptions about the nature and practice of science abound, and are often held by otherwise respectable practicing scientists themselves. Unfortunately, there are many other misconceptions about science. One of the most common of these concerns the so-called “scientific proofs.” Contrary to popular belief however, there is no such thing as a scientific proof. Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science. Scientists prefer theories for which there is more and better evidence to those for which there is less. Proofs are not the currency of science.’-- S. Kanazawa The Scientific Fundamentalist, published on Nov. 16, 2008

    This. In everyday practice, the probability of anything to most people is 50/50, i.e., either it happens, or it doesn't; either it is, or it isn't.

    Thus, the perceived odds teeter to one or the other direction due to how beguiling and/or belligerent the argument is.

    (Kind of explains demagoguery and other forms of viral psychoses too.) 
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