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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2017, 06:18:57 PM »
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  • I hear you but what I'm, granted rather ineptly, trying point out is that there seems to be a "mixed signal" if you'll pardon the expression:

    1. On the one hand you seem to be saying that you are, simply and solely, offering some instruction.
    2. However, on the other you seem to be also acknowledging that this is an actual point of contention deliberately being offered as such, which is only reinforced by its categorization under "... errors of the modern world"; this only justifies their likewise admittedly inept as well as inane commentary, not that "they" need excuse.

    If you framed it such that you were merely teaching that taught by others, regardless of its in/accuracy, then the only basis for protest would be if you were deviating from the subject matter.

    At the very least you could then protest any actual irrelevancies introduced such as "that's not true!"

    Example: a Catholic giving a course on Hegelian Dialectics or, more generally, Communism.
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    I was originally under the delusion that I could calmly and quietly post a series of pages from an impressive tutorial that puts to rest a plethora of mysteries in a straightforward way.
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    Little did I know my posts would be interrupted by trolls who have literally no interest in what I was posting.
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    Trolls, trolls, trolls.
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    Sigh.
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    In other words, I had DISCOVERED this "point of contention" after making limited progress in the plan. Like about 10 minutes' worth.
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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #136 on: September 28, 2017, 06:19:29 PM »
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    When I first saw "Coarse Positioning" I thought they'd misspelled "course."
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    Later I realized they're referring to an approximation of the satellite's position, which is a "coarse" estimate.
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    2c. Using signal-matching to identify
    and “lock” onto a GPS satellite



    How does a GPS receiver figure out which satellite is sending which signal?  (Man, that's a great question!)

    Embedded within each navigation signal is a code (essentially based on a sequence of 1’s and -1’s) that is unique to each satellite. It is so complicated that it looks almost like random noise, hence the name Pseudo-random Noise Code, or PRN Code. The GPS receiver extracts the code from the satellite’s navigation message, compares the code to its internal library of codes, and tries to find a match. (What does the GPS receiver do again? -- hint: it's 3 things.)

    The GPS receiver matches the codes by computing the correlation between the two sequences of 1's and -1's.
    It does this by computing the correlation between those sequences of 1's and -1's. (Sounds like useless repetition to me! The GPS receiver matches the codes by matching the codes. Okay.........)

    When the codes aren't a good match, the correlation stays around 0. When the correlation jumps to 1 (a perfect match), the receiver knows that it has matched the right code and it effectively "locks" onto the satellite. (How can you tell the receiver has locked on to a satellite?)

    Once the receiver knows which satellite has sent the signal, it can use the broadcast ephemeris to compute a more accurate location of the satellite in space. Using this information, as well as the velocity of the satellite, the time at which the signal was received by the receiver, and its approximate location, the receiver can estimate the time at which the signal was transmitted from the satellite. This will be used to compute an estimated distance between the satellite and the receiver, explained in more detail in the following section.

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    So, after all this, we are still not yet at the precise location of the satellite. We're still working toward computing an estimated distance between the satellite and the receiver, that is, how far from your car to the satellite in the sky?
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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #137 on: September 28, 2017, 06:24:28 PM »
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    I was originally under the delusion that I could calmly and quietly post a series of pages from an impressive tutorial that puts to rest a plethora of mysteries in a straightforward way.
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    Little did I know my posts would be interrupted by trolls who have literally no interest in what I was posting.
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    Trolls, trolls, trolls.
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    Sigh.
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    In other words, I had DISCOVERED this "point of contention" after making limited progress in the plan. Like about 10 minutes' worth.
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    I really feel for you man, I really do, but you should have known better by now. :P "Been there,.."

    Perhaps the simplest 'coarse' would be to h-link to your points in such a manner that no response may be directly made.

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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #138 on: September 28, 2017, 06:41:08 PM »
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    I was originally under the delusion that I could calmly and quietly post a series of pages from an impressive tutorial that puts to rest a plethora of mysteries in a straightforward way.
    .
    Little did I know my posts would be interrupted by trolls who have literally no interest in what I was posting.
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    Trolls, trolls, trolls.
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    Sigh.
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    In other words, I had DISCOVERED this "point of contention" after making limited progress in the plan. Like about 10 minutes' worth.
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    Being I wasn't able to follow your continuation of installments all day, I thought I'd try to find where you left off yesterday, this afternoon. But, all I found was a looted town left behind by some rabble-rousers from Antifa! What a mess they left behind...

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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #139 on: September 28, 2017, 06:44:04 PM »
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  • ... Antifa! ...

    In all earnestness, I think that you're at least proximal to the lungs and heart there "Jager".


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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #140 on: September 28, 2017, 06:58:47 PM »
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  • In all earnestness, I think that you're at least proximal to the lungs and heart there "Jager".
    Think it's a little harsh, by chance? Sure seems to be some very similar characteristics between those protesting here and those out in the inner cities... clinched fists, gritted teeth, destabilizing peace and harmony and shouting incoherent slurs... 
    So I guess your right about "jäger," putting it where it counts...

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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #141 on: September 28, 2017, 07:03:00 PM »
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  • Think it's a little harsh, by chance? Sure seems to be some very similar characteristics between those protesting here and those out in the inner cities... clinched fists, gritted teeth, destabilizing peace and harmony and shouting incoherent slurs...
    So I guess your right about "jäger," putting it where it counts...

    Harsh? I deliberately wrote, "... at least proximal..."; it's quite possible that you're "right on the money".

    I smell a disturbance in "The Schwartz" ...








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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #142 on: September 28, 2017, 07:07:15 PM »
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  • Harsh? I deliberately wrote, "... at least proximal..."; it's quite possible that you're "right on the money".

    I smell...





    I suspected we were on the same page...
    Time to go tend to my greenhouse before continuing my satellite study... ;)


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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #143 on: September 28, 2017, 07:22:46 PM »
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  • I really feel for you man, I really do, but you should have known better by now. :P "Been there,.."

    Perhaps the simplest 'coarse' would be to h-link to your points in such a manner that no response may be directly made.
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    I was under the delusion that any replies would be conversational and relevant, you know, like YOUR posts.
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    Boy was I in for a surprise.

    The moral of the story is, you give a flat-earther a helping hand and they'll try to pull you into the quicksand.
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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #144 on: September 28, 2017, 07:32:04 PM »
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  • Being I wasn't able to follow your continuation of installments all day, I thought I'd try to find where you left off yesterday, this afternoon. But, all I found was a looted town left behind by some rabble-rousers from Antifa! What a mess they left behind...
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    It would make an interesting improvement to delete all their posts because the thread would lose nothing in the process. In fact the thread would be less unreadable. The posts flat-earthers made here that had any effect were quoted and replied to and the ones that were merely carbon copies were ignored so all those would be cleaned up and things would start looking much more tidy.
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    Be sure not to miss the 8 minute video from Manuel Chavez -- Space Station transits the sun during eclipse.
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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #145 on: September 28, 2017, 07:33:21 PM »
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    The moral of the story is, you give a flat-earther a helping hand and they'll try to pull you into the quicksand.

    Thanks. Well said sir, and not just of FEists.

    How about posting things like this here?

    Take whatever 'ist' or 'ism' right out of the equation, save for those that are actually subject relevant (such as 'scientist' perhaps)


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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #146 on: September 28, 2017, 07:42:01 PM »
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    It would make an interesting improvement to delete all their posts because the thread would lose nothing in the process. In fact the thread would be less unreadable. The posts flat-earthers made here that had any effect were quoted and replied to and the ones that were merely carbon copies were ignored so all those would be cleaned up and things would start looking much more tidy.
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    Be sure not to miss the 8 minute video from Manuel Chavez -- Space Station transits the sun during eclipse.
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    Okay, I'm back now... most of our garden is being phased out now due to frost... but that's another story...

    Due to all the induced confusion by our friends of good will, I don't think I've seen anything in regards to calculation of an elevation... of all that GPS has to offer, I find this most interesting. Is there anything in this tutorial, in the future, that addresses elevation?

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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #147 on: September 28, 2017, 07:43:20 PM »
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  • Thanks. Well said sir, and not just of FEists.

    How about posting things like this here?

    Take whatever 'ist' or 'ism' right out of the equation, save for those that are actually subject relevant (such as 'scientist' perhaps)
    Also, you could emphasize clearly what it is and isn't, such as explicitly requiring that any questions be addressed on a separate thread for that expressed purpose and linked to the pertinent material covered on the main topic. You know, "right order, right reason", hierarchical/Catholic 'like'.

    "Sub-forum rules".

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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #148 on: September 28, 2017, 07:43:37 PM »
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  • Each GNSS constellation - depends on which system you're talking about
    In the U.S. they're called a GPS constellation
    every GPS satellite broadcasts a “navigation message”
    navigation message -- broadcast by each satellite
       -- contains the information needed to identify ALL the satellites in the constellation
       -- contains information needed to compute each satellite's approximate position in orbit

    network of ground-based observing stations
    constantly tracks the satellites
    computes predictive models of each satellite’s orbit.
    predicted orbital parameters for a given satellite
         recorded in a docuмent called an “ephemeris
        ephemeris ------> plural = “ephemerides
    satellite orbits vary over time
    each ephemeris needs to be updated regularly
       ground-based Master Control Station performs regular updates of satellite orbits
       updated orbits (ephemerides) are transmitted to the GPS satellite constellation


    An ephemeris provides the parameters
    used to calculate the position of a satellite
    along its orbit at any moment in time
    An almanac provides the ephemerides
    for an entire constellation of satellites

    navigation message is broadcast by each satellite
      it includes its own ephemeris
      this ephemeris is called the “broadcast ephemeris
             updated at frequent intervals
             contains the “almanac”
    almanac is the less-frequently updated collection of the ephemerides for ALL GPS satellites in the constellation
    almanac is updated at much longer intervals
    orbital parameters are less accurate in almanacs than the broadcast ephemeris from each individual satellite
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    What computes each satellite's orbit information?
    What does an almanac provide?
    Which is plural, ephemerides or ephemeris?
    What do ground-based observing stations do?
    What kind of updates does a Master Control Station provide?
    Where does a GPS satellite constellation obtain its ephemerides?
    Does any particular satellite receive and use all the ephemerides broadcast?
    What component sends out a navigation message?
    What is used to compose a navigation message?
    Why are GPS satellites grouped into constellations?
    When a particular satellite leaves Libra and moves into Sagittarius does it change constellations?
    What is the almanac a collection of?
    Which is updated more often: almanac ephemerides or broadcast ephemerides?
    Which is more reliable, almanac ephemerides or satellite signals?
    Why bother with a less reliable set of data?
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    Sorry for backtracking here but I forgot to say something before that post timed out. 
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    I was going to add:  If anyone can think of additional questions it would be great if you could post them, because I thought of a few later, too. 
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    The authors are taking us through an overall view first, setting some key cornerstones in place, so that we can more easily grasp the detailed material later on. It is a very well written tutorial and I'm quite impressed that it is open source like this. They could have charged some hard fees for the use of this material.
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    It's too bad flat-earthers don't want to know about this stuff. Greater understanding does wonders for your peace of mind. 
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    But their curiously exclusionary and myopic behavior exemplifies the principle that one firm step into the world of error can mean a complete turn-off to better knowledge of reality and the world around us.
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    Those 3 guys taking pictures of the ISS transit of the sun are decidedly immune from the contagion of flat-earthism.
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    Re: Global Navigation Satellite Systems -- tutorial
    « Reply #149 on: September 28, 2017, 07:46:00 PM »
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  • Crap! Now it's dinner time... will be back...