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Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2022, 04:22:52 PM »
I think at 5 miles out, 23 feet would still be too small to notice viewed from 5 ft off the ground, of the curve is already subtle at 1 million feet off the ground.
 There should be a drop of 8 inches per mile at 6 feet. Which means the curve should be noticeable at certain distances, but, it actually isn't, as there are now cameras that allow you to see much farther than the purported curvature.

The distance you would have to be away from 2 buildings 20 miles apart would make them too small and short to see any tilt. Maybe if a powerful spotlight was attached to each building on a hazy night, pointed up and perfectly aligned to the buildings, you might be able to see from far away how much the buildings lean apart if any.
There's several experiments where lasers were used at a distance which should have hid them behind a curve, but they hit their target without any issue. They're on bitchute, which I cannot access at the moment. These tests, and those like it, are explained away as a trick of refraction around the curvature, which is nonsense.

This flat earth stuff is new to me, so I have a mind to argue it.

Have flat earthers explained the satellites in the sky I can see at night?
Look into NASA's helium budget, it's outrageous. Some purport that satellites we see are tethered to high-altitude balloons. It's not a definitive explanation, unfortunately.

Either way, one's belief flat or round does not affect their salvation as far as I know.
No, not at all. But we still have God-given reason to figure out just what we live on without Freemasons at NASA obfuscating that.
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Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2022, 06:06:37 PM »
I think at 5 miles out, 23 feet would still be too small to notice viewed from 5 ft off the ground, of the curve is already subtle at 1 million feet off the ground.
 There should be a drop of 8 inches per mile at 6 feet. Which means the curve should be noticeable at certain distances, but, it actually isn't, as there are now cameras that allow you to see much farther than the purported curvature.

The distance you would have to be away from 2 buildings 20 miles apart would make them too small and short to see any tilt. Maybe if a powerful spotlight was attached to each building on a hazy night, pointed up and perfectly aligned to the buildings, you might be able to see from far away how much the buildings lean apart if any.
There's several experiments where lasers were used at a distance which should have hid them behind a curve, but they hit their target without any issue. They're on bitchute, which I cannot access at the moment. These tests, and those like it, are explained away as a trick of refraction around the curvature, which is nonsense.

This flat earth stuff is new to me, so I have a mind to argue it.

Have flat earthers explained the satellites in the sky I can see at night?
Look into NASA's helium budget, it's outrageous. Some purport that satellites we see are tethered to high-altitude balloons. It's not a definitive explanation, unfortunately.

Either way, one's belief flat or round does not affect their salvation as far as I know.
No, not at all. But we still have God-given reason to figure out just what we live on without Freemasons at NASA obfuscating that.


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About the first point, one or both of us is not understanding something. This 8" per mile or per mile squared cannot be both enough to notice and not enough to notice.

As for the second point, There have been cases of supposed UFO sightings linked to atmospheric conditions causing light to bend such that car headlights miles away can be seen floating over the ground or on the other side of a hill. Air is matter, made up of various forms of matter in varying states. It is known that matter affects light, so it is not unreasonable for a laser to bend around a slight curve caused by varying densities and humidity levels or whatever may cause it.

One thing I do not understand the physics behind, though I think it is explained with math, is how light can interact with the edge of a surface in such a way as to cast light into the shadow that the same light source makes. I will now take a picture of this happening with a laser pointed at the edge of a curve... which is ending up more difficult to capture on camera than I thought. So here's a video which also demonstrates it.


https://youtu.be/TM9alPcOMcU?t=298



Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2022, 06:37:22 PM »
I think at 5 miles out, 23 feet would still be too small to notice viewed from 5 ft off the ground, of the curve is already subtle at 1 million feet off the ground.

The distance you would have to be away from 2 buildings 20 miles apart would make them too small and short to see any tilt. Maybe if a powerful spotlight was attached to each building on a hazy night, pointed up and perfectly aligned to the buildings, you might be able to see from far away how much the buildings lean apart if any.

This flat earth stuff is new to me, so I have a mind to argue it.

Have flat earthers explained the satellites in the sky I can see at night?

Either way, one's belief flat or round does not affect their salvation as far as I know.

It's good to argue the points because that's how we grapple with the issue. 

The curve math proposed by the ball earth scientists has to be dramatic enough to explain how it hides ships traveling away from you. So it's not really gradual at all (according to them anyway). 

It's quite a dramatic curve actually and easily visible, but only in that one direction.  Moving away from you.  Not from side to side.  Only when moving away from you.  Why??

According to them you can see the effects of the curve while standing on the beach.  Any beach.  Anywhere on earth.  It could be an ocean beach, or a lake side beach.  It could be a lake on top of a mountain.  It could be a beach facing east, west, north or south.

You can be an adult or a child, short or tall...everyone has watched them boats "go over the curve". 

The ship goes "over the curve" on the water and just a few miles out disappears from view.  Right?

Well, that's the explanation they give.

So looking at the horizon line on the ocean there should be enough of a curve on the left and on the right to hide 23 foot ships on each side after 6 miles.  There should be an incline and a decline.

There isn't.  It's perfectly level. 

Because a body of water is always level.  Everywhere on earth.

Consider how noticeably the Leaning Tower of Pisa leans.  One side is 3 feet lower than the other.




Looking at the skyline of Phoenix or Las Vegas, the buildings on the ends should be noticeably leaning away from the buildings in the center.

Here is the ball earth chart again:


Distance    Height
Miles      Feet
--------------------------
  1.0        0.67
  1.23      1.0
  3.0        5.95
  3.9      10
  6.0      23.8

10        66
12.3      100
20        264
30        595
39      1000

40      1060
50      1650
60      2380
70      3240
87      5000

100      6610
110      8000
120      9520
123      10000
129      11000

135      12000
140      13000
146      14000
148      14496



Viewing 4 miles of skyline on the Las Vegas strip:




According to the ball earth scientists there should be a 10 foot drop because those buildings are "going over the curve".

Just like the boats that "go over the curve" when travelling away from you the buildings would "go over the curve" and start to lean away from each other.

Just a three foot drop like the Leaning Tower of Pisa would be very noticeable.  It's very obvious that it leans away from the other building and it's only a 3 foot incline.



The buildings on the strip don't lean away from each other because there isn't any curve.

The math is ridiculous.  They have to use it because it has to justify why ships disappear "behind the curve".  (They don't really)

We've been programmed not to question it.

Only crazy, insane, stupid, "flat earthers" ask such silly, insane questions and you'll become "one of them" because it's an IDENTITY and you have to join their club  and everyone will know you are one of them and everyone will all laugh at you like that time in gradeschool and you will be scoffed and mocked and nobody will take you seriously about anything after that because you think you know more than science!  lol :) 

Why do we have to identify as anything?

Can't we just be people asking questions?

Anyway, look up photos of skylines around the world and see if there is any curve.

Chicago's skyline is 25 miles long.  That would mean a curve drop of more than 264 feet!  Surely you would see that right?

Can you see the buildings "going over the curve" and leaning over?



They stay level just like the water.

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Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2022, 10:07:01 PM »
In your Vegas skyline image, 10 ft is around the size of 1 or maybe even half a pixel on my screen, or the height of one story of the gold buildings which have easy to see windows. Will you really notice 10ft comparing them from so far away when they may not even be built on the same altitude of ground level?

That chicago picture looks to be taken from roughly the same distance, so it also is only about 4 miles wide. But lets imagine a 25 mile separation between buildings. What would it look like? I have a round plastic pretzel bottle/container beside me that is about 6" in diameter I can use to scale the earth down to, so I can better visualize things. With the earth having a supposed 24,901 mile circuмference, 25 miles out of 24,901 makes the skyline 0.001 of the distance around the earth. To scale it down to my container: .001 x 18.84" = 0.01884, which is about 1/64" or the thickness of my thumbnail. If I try to line up two rulers like skyscrapers on the side of my container only 1/64" apart, while trying to make them straight up and down relative to the container, there is a small but very obvious leaning apart of the rulers. A flat earth win? 

Not yet. My rulers are not scaled down to building size, right now they would be stretched out like halfway to the moon (not really, but you get my point). So, how big would the buildings look on my container? Assuming they are 50 stories tall, 500ft, lets get their size proportion relative to this 25 mile gap between them. 25 miles is 132,000ft. 500/132,000 = 0.00378. So, I can't imagine what the size of my buildings would look like on my round container because they are smaller than a spec of dust if 25 miles is the same as the thickness of a fingernail.

Lets look at a ruler and and say 25 miles is 25 centimeters. 0.00378 x 25 = .0946, lets round it up to 0.1. So each 500ft tall building is only 1 millimeter tall on the ruler on this scaled down 25 mile skyline. To have the scaled down curve of the earth, the ruler would need the middle raised by a half millimeter. Hardly noticeableIf you have a hard time telling how different the each 1mm tall building is leaning at 25mm or cm apart, it would be quite hard to tell how far the buildings are leaning let alone just seeing them from so far away. The advantage of the ruler perspective is that you can get very close and still see the scaled down buildings, and the scaled down curve of the ground, but in real life you can't get that close of a look. 

The reason why you don't notice the curve looking side to side, assuming you can only see 5 miles, looking side to side you now see 10 miles, but in any given direction you are only seeing 5 miles. Once you look the other way, you are still only seeing 5 miles out, but in a different direction. It's like you perspective gets reset each time you change your view. I think this is why even panorama camera images look so flat.

Given how subtle the curve of a ball earth is, I think it is not a good proof one way or the other due to the difficulty of proving it. It seems that to know for sure, one would have to fly into space really far to see for them self.


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Only crazy, insane, stupid, "flat earthers" ask such silly, insane questions and you'll become "one of them" because it's an IDENTITY and you have to join their club  and everyone will know you are one of them and everyone will all laugh at you like that time in gradeschool and you will be scoffed and mocked and nobody will take you seriously about anything after that because you think you know more than science!  lol :) 
This doesn't bother me, I only care about truth.

Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2022, 12:33:05 AM »
In your Vegas skyline image, 10 ft is around the size of 1 or maybe even half a pixel on my screen, or the height of one story of the gold buildings which have easy to see windows. Will you really notice 10ft comparing them from so far away when they may not even be built on the same altitude of ground level?

That chicago picture looks to be taken from roughly the same distance, so it also is only about 4 miles wide. But lets imagine a 25 mile separation between buildings. What would it look like? I have a round plastic pretzel bottle/container beside me that is about 6" in diameter I can use to scale the earth down to, so I can better visualize things. With the earth having a supposed 24,901 mile circuмference, 25 miles out of 24,901 makes the skyline 0.001 of the distance around the earth. To scale it down to my container: .001 x 18.84" = 0.01884, which is about 1/64" or the thickness of my thumbnail. If I try to line up two rulers like skyscrapers on the side of my container only 1/64" apart, while trying to make them straight up and down relative to the container, there is a small but very obvious leaning apart of the rulers. A flat earth win?

Not yet. My rulers are not scaled down to building size, right now they would be stretched out like halfway to the moon (not really, but you get my point). So, how big would the buildings look on my container? Assuming they are 50 stories tall, 500ft, lets get their size proportion relative to this 25 mile gap between them. 25 miles is 132,000ft. 500/132,000 = 0.00378. So, I can't imagine what the size of my buildings would look like on my round container because they are smaller than a spec of dust if 25 miles is the same as the thickness of a fingernail.

Lets look at a ruler and and say 25 miles is 25 centimeters. 0.00378 x 25 = .0946, lets round it up to 0.1. So each 500ft tall building is only 1 millimeter tall on the ruler on this scaled down 25 mile skyline. To have the scaled down curve of the earth, the ruler would need the middle raised by a half millimeter. Hardly noticeable. If you have a hard time telling how different the each 1mm tall building is leaning at 25mm or cm apart, it would be quite hard to tell how far the buildings are leaning let alone just seeing them from so far away. The advantage of the ruler perspective is that you can get very close and still see the scaled down buildings, and the scaled down curve of the ground, but in real life you can't get that close of a look.

The reason why you don't notice the curve looking side to side, assuming you can only see 5 miles, looking side to side you now see 10 miles, but in any given direction you are only seeing 5 miles. Once you look the other way, you are still only seeing 5 miles out, but in a different direction. It's like you perspective gets reset each time you change your view. I think this is why even panorama camera images look so flat.

Given how subtle the curve of a ball earth is, I think it is not a good proof one way or the other due to the difficulty of proving it. It seems that to know for sure, one would have to fly into space really far to see for them self.

This doesn't bother me, I only care about truth.

I think you're making this too complicated.  Most people do and they get lost in the weeds but it's quite simple.  Common sense really.

When buildings lean away from each other it's very obvious.  You notice it right away with your eyes:















You don't need a laser or special equipment, you can see it quite easily.

The diagram the ball earth scientists give us shows that the lean should be very subtle and yet the math provided shows a hugely dramatic curve that would be easily seen--not subtle at all.







This diagram makes it look like a very gradual drop.  That's what we picture in our minds.  It's deceptive.

The actual math is in the chart and tells a story quite different from the diagram.

According to the chart, after 10 miles it's a 66 foot drop!  That's a huge curve.  The buildings would lean over.






Here is 10 miles of NY skyline.  Do you see a 66 foot drop? According to the chart there should be. 

Do buildings lean over even a little bit? 



Even just a three foot drop would make buildings look like the Leaning Tower of Pisa.  A 66 foot drop???  That's what the chart says.  How can you account for that?

There is no curve.  It's a lie.

Here is Phoenix:


Nope.  There is no curve.  No leaning buildings.  It's a lie.  They lied to you.

You don't need to go out into space.  You can easily see it with your eyes.

Can you find and share a skyline that shows how the buildings lean because of the curve?  If not, why not?  It shouldn't be hard.  Surely if an entire boat disappears "behind the curve" a few miles out it should be easy to find a skyline that shows the same kind of dramatic curve right?  A large enough curve that could "hide boats" on the sides right? 

Such a curve would cause the buildings to lean away from each other unless you keep the buildings congruent like on the side of a hill. If you did that you would have to keep them congruent all the way down the sides of the ball earth.  Draw a picture to see what that would look like.  It doesn't work.  They end up on their sides.

They show the diagram above which makes us picture a gradual curve on a large ball.  That's the picture we already have in our minds.  We readily accept it because we have been programmed to visualize the earth like that since birth.  "Yes, that is what earth looks like," we think.

But they also give us the math in the chart which supports the lie that ships "go over the curve" a few miles out.

They have to keep us believing both lies.

Both the diagram and the math in the chart are obvious lies which you can see with your eyes simply by looking at the skylines around the world which do not have a curve anything like what they are purporting.

You don't need fancy equipment or lasers.  You can see it plainly with your own eyes.

Here is more on how absurd the curve math is!

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