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Offline Tradman

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Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2022, 10:35:59 AM »
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  • There is a science totally ignored by flat-earthers, and that is geodesy, Earth measurement on a large scale.

    The period from Eratosthenes to Jean Picard can be called the spherical era of geodesy.

    This science began with Eratosthenes (l. c. 276-195 BC), a Greek astronomer, geographer, mathematician, and poet best known for being the first to calculate the circuмference of the earth.

    Jean Picard ( 1620-1682) was a French astronomer and priest born in La Flèche, where he studied at the Jesuit Collège Royal Henry-Le-Grand. He is principally notable for his accurate measure of the size of the Earth, based on a careful survey of one degree of latitude along the Paris Meridian.

    As I said before, Domenico Cassini measured the Earth as egg shaped to falsify Newton's evolved bulging heliocentric Earth.
    Flat earthers have not ignored geodesy.  https://www.bitchute.com/video/g1QZEJ3fXXe3/  But ball earthers have ignored the other measurements provided by science. "In their quest for victory [ball earthers] have jettisoned all reason."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #91 on: June 19, 2022, 11:05:19 AM »
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  • Eratosthenes was sheer nonsense.


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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #92 on: June 19, 2022, 02:47:47 PM »
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  • Yeah, it can get complicated.  That's totally understandable.

    I think you are correct that not everyone has good skills at imagining things.

    Can you help me imagine the 66 foot drop after 10 miles of skyline in Phoenix or New York?

    I can't see it.  Can you?

    Maybe you could draw a picture?
    I will think about it when I have time. I think an animation would be a better demonstration than a drawing, but I can't make an animation.
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    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #93 on: June 19, 2022, 03:34:52 PM »
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  • Flat earthers have not ignored geodesy.  https://www.bitchute.com/video/g1QZEJ3fXXe3/  But ball earthers have ignored the other measurements provided by science. "In their quest for victory [ball earthers] have jettisoned all reason."

    Now what this character in your video is doing is trying to convince himself and flat-Earthers that this science of geodesy is bull. He asserts that geologists for over 300 years didn't know what they were doing was illusionary. At 38 minutes he tries to make a laugh at the way this science works. You see some of us know the Earth has seas, land and mountains. In other words the surface is not even. But we know the seas are even and if we use the seas as the standard surface measurement the science can work out more accurately the distance between areas and work out its bend. This of course it too complicated to your man to understand.

    This science was used by Domenico Cassini to falsify Newton's evolved bulging Earth. Cassini remember was the first astronomer to work out the distance of the sun from the Earth. Cassini’s talent as a surveyor was also well known. In 1657 he was asked by none other than Pope Alexander VII to resolve a dispute regarding the flow of the River Reno between Bologna and Ferrara that was causing flooding. For the next seven years Cassini was occupied with similar work around the Papal States. Cassini's Geodesy is but an extension of his surveying.

    It is possible to determine the shape of the Earth by measuring the length of an arc corresponding to a geodetic latitude differences at two places along the meridian (the ellipse passing through the Poles) at different latitudes, which means at different distances from the Equator.’ With the aid of his son Jacques Cassini (Cassini II) and others, he measured the arc of meridian from Paris north to Dunkirk and south to the boundary of Spain, and, in addition, he conducted various associated geodesic and astronomical operations that were reported to the Academy.

    The results, published by Cassini II in 1720, showed the length of a meridian degree north of Paris was 111,017 meters or 265 meters shorter than one south of Paris (111,282 meters). This suggested that if this trend occurred in the southern hemisphere, the Earth has to be a prolate spheroid, not flattened at the poles as Newton proposed, but slightly pointed, with the equatorial axis shorter than the polar axis, that is, kind of egg-shaped rather than orange shaped.

    Flatearthism has no doubt many good arguments to explain how it could work. But it also depends on there being a long conspiracy to hide this from the world, with many thousands of people all involved in making sure this 'secret' never came out. It denies all space photos or images of a curve by satellites we can all see moving above the Earth, allowing us the E-mail and phone each other from one part of the Earth to another. Best of all however, is that the biggest problem for flatearthers is to keep the edge of their Earth out of sight from anybody when all they need to do to convince all that the Earth is indeed flat by flying a plane, a spaceship, a balloon or a drone over the edge of their flat Earth taking videos or photos of it. Now that should convince everybody. So, who don't they do that? I tell you I for one would have to accept that as the only real proof for a flat Earth.

     

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #94 on: June 19, 2022, 05:45:23 PM »
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  • Now what this character in your video is doing is trying to convince himself and flat-Earthers that this science of geodesy is bull. He asserts that geologists for over 300 years didn't know what they were doing was illusionary. At 38 minutes he tries to make a laugh at the way this science works. You see some of us know the Earth has seas, land and mountains. In other words the surface is not even. But we know the seas are even and if we use the seas as the standard surface measurement the science can work out more accurately the distance between areas and work out its bend. This of course it too complicated to your man to understand.

    This science was used by Domenico Cassini to falsify Newton's evolved bulging Earth. Cassini remember was the first astronomer to work out the distance of the sun from the Earth. Cassini’s talent as a surveyor was also well known. In 1657 he was asked by none other than Pope Alexander VII to resolve a dispute regarding the flow of the River Reno between Bologna and Ferrara that was causing flooding. For the next seven years Cassini was occupied with similar work around the Papal States. Cassini's Geodesy is but an extension of his surveying.

    It is possible to determine the shape of the Earth by measuring the length of an arc corresponding to a geodetic latitude differences at two places along the meridian (the ellipse passing through the Poles) at different latitudes, which means at different distances from the Equator.’ With the aid of his son Jacques Cassini (Cassini II) and others, he measured the arc of meridian from Paris north to Dunkirk and south to the boundary of Spain, and, in addition, he conducted various associated geodesic and astronomical operations that were reported to the Academy.



    Ok, I have to stop you here and address just how badly this video destroyed so-called geodesy.  Geodesic science admits, readily, that they form their model after creating a model for them to measure their model from.  Seriously? That means it isn't a measurement of the real world, but a measurement from a model they created, after they assume it is a globe.  Yep, that's pretty down and dirty.  It's called begging the question. Even if you say they measure "the length of an arc corresponding to a geodetic latitude difference at two places along the meridian"...What? A meridian they created but never actually measured?  They admit they don't measure anything real but all of it is assumed before they measure.  Why?  Because they can't measure an arc that doesn't exist.  It's a scam.  Earth isn't a ball. All the formulas are based on presumption. Talk about cheating. Later, the flat earthers literally destroy every other fake narrative in relation to this crazy scheme with all sorts of great arguments. Sorry Cassini, this is truly embarrassing for anyone who takes stock in this chimera.  


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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #95 on: June 19, 2022, 06:22:43 PM »
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  • That reminds me of the circular logic between the geological column and fossil records.  They date fossils based on the geological column, and they date the geological column from the fossils in it.

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #96 on: June 19, 2022, 07:30:58 PM »
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  • That reminds me of the circular logic between the geological column and fossil records.  They date fossils based on the geological column, and they date the geological column from the fossils in it.
    Oh wow. Sounds reasonable, if you're a fan of t-rex museums. In another way, it kind of reminds me of the videos from the 60s that fooled everyone (at the time) into thinking we went to the moon.  When someone outs them, they just double down and employ smoke for cover.      

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #97 on: June 19, 2022, 08:32:26 PM »
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  • This is a picture I took. I have no idea what it means to the flat earth model. Maybe it fits perfectly, maybe you think it's fake? The picture is a little off center to the east from north.
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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #98 on: June 19, 2022, 09:44:08 PM »
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  • This is a picture I took. I have no idea what it means to the flat earth model. Maybe it fits perfectly, maybe you think it's fake? The picture is a little off center to the east from north.
    Beautiful time lapse photo of the stars rotating above in the firmament over the flat earth. It is definitely not fake.    

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #99 on: June 19, 2022, 10:23:43 PM »
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  • Could a similar picture be taken in south america facing south?
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #100 on: June 19, 2022, 10:34:43 PM »
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  • Could a similar picture be taken in south america facing south?
    Why not? 


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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #101 on: June 19, 2022, 10:55:20 PM »
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  • I figured there may be only one axis in the sky that the heavens rotate about as far as I understand the flat earth model.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #102 on: June 19, 2022, 11:12:58 PM »
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  • I figured there may be only one axis in the sky that the heavens rotate about as far as I understand the flat earth model.
    There is only one axis point around which the stars travel, that is, the North Star, Polaris. But that doesn't mean a photo can't be taken of the sky showing the phenomenon.  The center of rotation changes depending on the position of the observer on the flat earth, but that doesn't mean the stars disappear or that the rotation doesn't occur.  This photo shows it perfectly.      

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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #103 on: June 19, 2022, 11:22:50 PM »
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  • In theory, such a picture could not be taken of an axis when facing south on a flat earth, but should when taken in the southern hemisphere on a ball earth, right?

    And, I do not know if polaris is even visible from far south of the equator, but it should be on a flat earth.
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    Re: Glass production proves Earth is flat
    « Reply #104 on: June 19, 2022, 11:28:18 PM »
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  • In theory, such a picture could not be taken of an axis when facing south on a flat earth, but should when taken in the southern hemisphere on a ball earth, right?
    The further south you go, the lower in the horizon that the point of axis will be. But that reality is a given on a flat earth.  The photo wasn't taken all that far south.  You'd have to go REALLY far south to interrupt the view of the axis of rotation around the North Star.  I wonder what that photo would look like.  Not saying it doesn't exist, just wondering. To say it can't exist if earth is flat is not reality.  If the rotation becomes invisible at a lower vantage point, from a greater distance, doesn't mean earth isn't flat.  It just means the rotation around that point isn't detectible in the sky because the axis is so low it becomes undetectable from the position from which it is taken.