No one said Sungenis is leading people away from doctrinal truth per se. He is leading them against the Fathers' common interpretation of scripture on the shape of the earth and thereby casting doubt on the veracity of scripture, as well as maintaining pathways to heresy. Globe earth comes from the false Pythagorean Doctrine (PD) even if it differs from Sungenis' model by way of earth's movement. If you read the book from the link I provided, you'd see the PD was condemned in it's entirety. And why it was condemned. It took decades of tolerance and discussion to open the eyes of the popes and churchmen back then because the evilness in PD can be subtle, but it directly promotes the heretical plurality of worlds (not possible on a flat earth). It also supports transmigration of souls (reincarnation) as well as antipodes. Sungenis insists earth is spherical, which is part and parcel of the PD promoted by the enemies of the Church even today (governments, NASA, globalists). Sungenis' model is at not only at odds with scripture and reason, but with many Fathers of the Church (Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Methodius, Ephrem Syrus, Gregory of Nyssa, Theodore of Mopsuestia, Cyril of Alexandria, Theodoret of Cyrus, and Procopius of Gaza, all offered an intriguing exegesis of the Tabernacle.) According to these great Fathers, earth is a macrocosm, the original model for the great Tabernacle, the Temple, and the Ark of the Covenant, none of which are spherical. Scripture describes earth as having four corners, supported by pillars and covered with a firmament/dome, making it look like a tent. Great men/saints/Fathers source their exegeses from Psalms, Isaiah and Job, and of course, Genesis. Sungenis simply dismisses, ignores or denies this because he is determined to base his information on modern scientists and theories with which he agrees.
This is the bit that I do not like about a flat-Earth belief, trying to make it look like some sort of Catholic teaching, thereby making belief in a global Earth look like some sort of sin.
For example Tradman, you write:
'He [Sungenis] is leading them against the Fathers' common interpretation of scripture on the shape of the earth and thereby casting doubt on the veracity of scripture, as well as maintaining pathways to heresy.'
To accuse someone like this, using a false history and false teaching of the Church to back up your accusation of Sungenis leading others towards heresy is little less than slanderous.
Earlier you posted a link to A. A. Martinez's book Burned Alive. In it we find a history of Pythagoreanism and the battles the Fathers and popes of the Church fought against its heresies and false philosophies over the centuries and how it impacted on the Bruno and Galileo cases. This has to be one of the most important books on the Pythagorean heresies ever written. I corresponded with him and discovered he is a heliocentrist. Indeed he might not even be a Catholic. Nevertheless, he gives a true history of all the condemnations by the Church Fathers and popes against these Pythagorean heresies and false philosophies over the first 3 centuries of the Catholic church. The book details every aspect of Bruno’s beliefs, the 54 heresies and philosophies he was accused of during his long trial by the Inquisition. In most cases, Martinez tells us, Bruno said he was wrong with some and was able to argue his way out of others, one way or another, but refused to retract 13 of them on the subject of substance; that the Earth has a soul, and that there are many occupied worlds among others. For these heresies then Giordano Bruno, as a cleric, was burned alive; execution ‘inflicted for the gravest offenses.’
Now we all know Pythagoras held to a global-Earth. So did Bruno. Yet, for 1600 years no pope ever condemned a global Earth, nor was the flat-Earth ever mentioned as revealed in Scripture at his trial. It is well know that only if ALL of the Fathers hold to a certain revelation of the Bible does it become an act of Catholic faith. Galileo’s heliocentrism was defined and declared as formal heresy. A heresy becomes formal when an old heresy is isolated and defined as one by the pope.
Now by all means defend your own belief but do not try to make it Catholic. As you probably know, 99.9% of people are of the opinion that a flat-Earth is nonsense, while some on CIF cannot believe there are flat-earth on a Catholic debating forum. If you even say on a post debating the subject that you do not believe in it, the thumb-downers show the subject is really not up for debate, and damn anyone who tries to falsify it. I am still waiting for a flat-earther to explain how the science of geodesy is of no consequence to them. Geodesy is Earth measurement science. Domenico Cassini was God’s astronomer, surveyor and he measured the Earth as egg shaped in order to falsify Newton’s bulging, spinning heliocentric Earth. Finally a bit of advice from St Augustine
‘It not infrequently happens that something about the Earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, and greatly to be avoided, that he should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are” (St. Augustine, The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19–20, Ch. 19).
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